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"Haunting Image Of Drowned Boy Sums Up Consequences Of 'The Syrian War'"

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  • Posts: 3,444 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    efb wrote: »
    You were presenting nonsense as fact.

    I have watched quite a few documentaries on it, about Calais and majority seemed to be young males. I did never said what I was saying was fact, it was just my opinion.

    Take that chip off your shoulder. :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,575 ✭✭✭RandomName2


    efb wrote: »
    You were presenting nonsense as fact.
    I haven't read your whole conversation; but I wouldn't be on the high horse about nonsense when you don't seem to think that providing housing doesn't have any cost.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,730 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    Was your first sentence going somewhere?

    god only knows, you ll have to ask my other self


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,575 ✭✭✭RandomName2


    I have watched quite a few documentaries on it, about Calais and majority seemed to be young males. I did never said what I was saying was fact, it was just my opinion.

    Take that chip off your shoulder. :rolleyes:

    The majority quite clearly are male. That is so obvious it hardly is worth mentioning.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    This reminds me of the myths about Welfare fraud v Tax Evasion in the Uk

    http://www.bbc.com/news/business-29898083

    http://www.economicshelp.org/blog/6348/economics/cost-of-benefit-fraud-v-tax-evasion-in-uk/

    Scare people about "economic migrant spongers" but what are the real numbers???


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,026 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    I saw this picture before I knew what it was. Ah Jesus I feel slightly sick now knowing what it's about.


  • Posts: 3,444 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The majority quite clearly are male. That is so obvious it hardly is worth mentioning.

    Yes, from what I have seen that is how it seems to be. Efb seems to have some chip on his/her shoulder and just loves to argue.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    I haven't read your whole conversation; but I wouldn't be on the high horse about nonsense when you don't seem to think that providing housing doesn't have any cost.

    where did I say it didn't have a cost???


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 898 ✭✭✭petrolcan


    This is just my opinion. USA is the one who created a lot of the trouble in the area, so why aren't they doing more to take in some refugees? Also, how come the countries around the area like Saudi Arabia, Qatar, etc are not helping their fellow muslisms out?

    They are

    https://twitter.com/ZaatariCamp/status/626303986975412224
    England also helped create the problem with their part in the war but at least they are taking refugees in.

    I assume you mean Great Britain? They are reluctantly taking them in. The current government is taking a hard line thanks to the right wing media.
    Now Ireland is taking in 600 which is double what we are required to take in, so in my opinion this country is going above and beyond what we have to do, we simply just can't take in more.

    Can't or aren't willing?
    On another note is there any way to check the backgrounds of these people coming over, because there could be a big likely hood that ISIS are pretending to be fleeing refugees so they can get into Europe.

    No way to check. Is your glass always half empty?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,575 ✭✭✭RandomName2


    Because the destabilisation of both Europe and the Middle East is part of the plan.

    America's plan? ... Doubtful. I don't really think that the heads of the EU needed any outside encouragement to have a stupidly jeopardised single currency financial, in the same way that Merkel is quite happy to escalate hostilities in Russia.

    Don't look for malice where stupidity is applicable.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,767 ✭✭✭Infini


    As it stands its a sad situation any will emphasise with the poor kid who died and wish it wasnt happening but in order to end this hard decisions would be need to be made.

    The biggest problem with the migrant situation is cultural more so than anything else. While Syrians are already getting priority the christians will have an alot easier time integrating than the muslim ones. The biggest problem there is one of the biggest factors in Syria is the DarwinAward State cultist retards that have done a fine job of dragging what decent rep islam had into the dirt. People dont want the likes of those who want a sharia state in britain when its not even their original country. Even as a small vocal minority its left that sort of uncomfortable impression there in the UK boosting anti immigrant sentiment. This has led to a fear that taking in too many now would lead to some of them becoming marginalised and degenerating into the same animals ripping the crazy east apart. Theres also the fear that some of them might be trojan horses faking being assylum seekers to cause mayhem here. Theres also a fear that taking in too many too quickly could cause a culture shock. Some want to write it off as PC racism while avoiding the legitimate fear and concern that its based off which only increases the antiimmigration sentiment.

    The second biggest problem is the lack of leadership. The EU has been shown over the last few years to be totally incompetent in leadership with national self-interest taking precident over decisive leadership solving the issues properly. The greek situation shouldve been sorted yeara ago. The whole Ukraine issue has been half baked and now this. As it stands if the likes of hungary are coming under pressure they should be getting MAJOR resources diverted to help them beef up the border while sorting through the real deal refugees from the economic migrants.

    Third and which is badly needed is to send in a UN or EU peacekeeping force to secure Northern Syria. The current aituation is as bad as it is bwcause of the LACK of western intervention. Letting things continue as it is will result in a wasteland like Afghanistan right near europe by the end of the decade if nothing is done. Leave assad there in his little rump state or remove him entirely if he kicks up since he started the whole thing by shooting protesters. As for Retarded State send ground forces in to wipe out these animals without mercy. It will have to be Western forces sadly since the arab regional forces simply are too weak and disorganised. They are some of the worst animals since the Nazis or even the Khimer Rouge. Theyre responsonsible for the sickest and worst things humanity has seen in a long time and need to eliminated. Had US forces remained in Iraq the whole situation wouldve been far different and sadly the only way this will be sorted is sending peacekeeping forces in to eliminate them.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    The majority quite clearly are male. That is so obvious it hardly is worth mentioning.

    care to back that up???


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,191 ✭✭✭Eugene Norman


    I'll be leaving this discussion now. But here's a thought.

    The UK is balking at the 300,000 net immigrants a year. Mostly EU. To save this crisis

    1) put a moratorium on inter EU emigration. Essential workers can apply for visas to a limit. These are economic migrants.
    2) reduce the family reunification visas.
    3) take in 50000 refugees.

    Similar laws should be passed elsewhere. We can have inter EU immigration, or handle this crisis but we probably can't have both.

    This is clearly a more moral issue than pavel wanting to go to Galway v


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,215 ✭✭✭galah


    Came across that pic by accident, the poxy news app opened on it for some reason. Deeply deeply upsetting - have a little boy the same age, and this hit very deep.

    What i dont understand is - these refugees pay A LOT of money to be trafficked, risking their lives. Why cant europe set up some way if giving a means of safe passage from syria? For example, safe flights and direct visa issueing at the airport? People could bring this money they would otherwise have paid dubious traffickers to support themselves until they can get work. A lot of people would have had jobs, would be educated. Why not harness this massive potential? Help people to help themselves, in a safe country. Would also help with acceptance of the refugees, what with integration and all that.

    Those who flee with nothing can then be assisted even better.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,575 ✭✭✭RandomName2


    efb wrote: »
    where did I say it didn't have a cost???
    Words to that effect
    efb wrote: »
    What do you mean make the poor pay?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    Yes, from what I have seen that is how it seems to be. Efb seems to have some chip on his/her shoulder and just loves to argue.

    so based on what you see on tv??? Where are your figures from?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,314 ✭✭✭caustic 1


    Thousands have drowned but to see a child washed up on a beach like that is sickening and so very sad. I don't know the answer or how to fix it. It shouldn't be like this.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,191 ✭✭✭Eugene Norman


    America's plan? ... Doubtful. I don't really think that the heads of the EU needed any outside encouragement to have a stupidly jeopardised single currency financial, in the same way that Merkel is quite happy to escalate hostilities in Russia.

    Don't look for malice where stupidity is applicable.

    I'll be back with some quotes from neo conservatives on Europe and the Middle East tomorrow.

    Don't assume stupidity when malice is more likely. Of course Europes being played for a fool. The U.S -- or its ruling classes know what they are doing.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    Words to that effect

    that isn't words to that effect at all.

    The cost of housing refugess on my street was bourn by EU funding, not the poor of Ireland.


  • Posts: 3,444 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    petrolcan wrote: »
    They are

    https://twitter.com/ZaatariCamp/status/626303986975412224



    I assume you mean Great Britain? They are reluctantly taking them in. The current government is taking a hard line thanks to the right wing media.



    Can't or aren't willing?



    No way to check. Is your glass always half empty?


    Can't or aren't willing?
    I said already that I don't know if its can't or not willing. I hope we help as many people as we can.

    No way to check. Is your glass always half empty?

    I deal with quite a few muslims day to day and while some can be very nice people, there seems to be a sexist/homophobic attitude among a lot of them. I would like to think that if our colleges are taking in people from Saudi that if females aren't getting the same chances to come as the males that we would pull the plug on any of them coming.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,063 ✭✭✭✭josip


    I decided I wasn't going to look at the photo. Then curiosity got the better of me. Bad decision I think.
    I can't understand how some posters can remain focused on arguing their theories and points in this thread if they've looked at that photo.
    There are other fora on Boards that provide threads for discussion and point scoring.
    There are also other threads where you can post, "we can't take em in, they'll take all our jobs and houses".
    Obviously posters can post whatever they want here, but after seeing those photos are ye not more inclined to go "Jaysus, it's all f**cked up" and stare at the wall for the rest of the night?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    I have watched quite a few documentaries on it, about Calais and majority seemed to be young males. I did never said what I was saying was fact, it was just my opinion.

    Take that chip off your shoulder. :rolleyes:

    Care to name one of them? Panorama? Dispatches???


  • Posts: 3,444 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    efb wrote: »
    that isn't words to that effect at all.

    The cost of housing refugess on my street was bourn by EU funding, not the poor of Ireland.

    http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php/Asylum_statistics

    I didn't look it up before but look there. 75% of the asylum seekers are male.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 898 ✭✭✭petrolcan


    So what is the acceptable figure that people would like Ireland to take in?

    "Just let them in" is kinda vague, and this was the attitude last night when it was being discussed on TV3 as well when Tom McGurk was asking the same question.

    North Africa, Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan are big places, we're only a few months into this and thousands are arriving everyday, if the 28 countries don't soon come up with a solution on how to handle this then the chaos we see now in Hungary and Greece will be only the tip of the iceberg IMO.

    A few months? Have you been under a rock?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,191 ✭✭✭Eugene Norman


    petrolcan wrote: »
    They are

    https://twitter.com/ZaatariCamp/status/626303986975412224



    I assume you mean Great Britain? They are reluctantly taking them in. The current government is taking a hard line thanks to the right wing media.



    Can't or aren't willing?



    No way to check. Is your glass always half empty?

    Jordan isn't Qatar or Saudi Arabia.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,730 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    josip wrote: »
    I decided I wasn't going to look at the photo. Then curiosity got the better of me. Bad decision I think.
    I can't understand how some posters can remain focused on arguing their theories and points in this thread if they've looked at that photo.
    There are other fora on Boards that provide threads for discussion and point scoring.
    There are also other threads where you can post, "we can't take em in, they'll take all our jobs and houses".
    Obviously posters can post whatever they want here, but after seeing those photos are ye not more inclined to go "Jaysus, it's all f**cked up" and stare at the wall for the rest of the night?

    not the worst images ive seen from all this mess im afraid but bad enough.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,191 ✭✭✭Eugene Norman


    petrolcan wrote: »
    A few months? Have you been under a rock?

    A few months into the refugee crisis in Europe. That's correct.


  • Posts: 3,444 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    efb wrote: »
    Care to name one of them? Panorama? Dispatches???

    Also, efb I come onto discussion forums to listen to other peoples point of views and possibly even change my own opinion. There is no need to be aggressive/bitchy if we disagree, if you state your points I might actually change my opinion to your way of thinking. Lay your points out and I'll read them and take them into consideration.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,061 ✭✭✭keith16


    Those images hit me like a ton of bricks. Horrific.


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