"Haunting Image Of Drowned Boy Sums Up Consequences Of 'The Syrian War'"

Nodin · 02-09-2015 07:45PM

Eugene Norman wrote: »

It wouldn't be too hard to work out that getting rid of a secular dictator is not going to work.

Considering the shooting had already started, it would have been the better option to back the secularists, which is what they did.

Nodin · 02-09-2015 07:46PM

RobertKK wrote: »

Well people will never learn, you will hear all the cheerleaders for Hillary Clinton, and she was looking to bomb Syria, but Putin put her back in her box and stopped making a very bad situation getting worse.
The same Hillary Clinton who told the Irish they should support the invasion of Iraq.
Anything she had to do with the middle east always made it worse.

Personally I wouldn't like to see her in the Whitehouse. There's a glint in her eye that screams "hawk" to me.

boardie100 · 02-09-2015 07:47PM

that poor child.... my heart is breaking looking at that picture... although sometimes i think he's actually better off not being in this fc*uked up world!

02-09-2015 07:48PM

Wanderer78 wrote: »

i was debating all day to view that pic or not. its as bad as i thought it was gonna be. this is a complete cluster f*ck. we humans should be ashamed of ourselves for allowing this to happen. ive no idea how we solve this one

Religion is to blame. I as a human am taking no blame for these barbarians, I hope that the people that get in to Ireland are made feel welcome and I hope they remember what damage religion can cause.

Wanderer78 · 02-09-2015 07:51PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Religion is to blame. I as a human am taking no blame for these barbarians, I hope that the people that get in to Ireland are made feel welcome and I hope they remember what damage religion can cause.

hmm a lot more complicated than that im afraid. ive met many muslims, nothing wrong with them and im sure their version of islam is fine even though i know very little of their beliefs

pwurple · 02-09-2015 08:02PM

I can house someone, maybe two. It'll be tight, we have 5 people living in a 2 bedroom house as it is, but I could shuffle things around, make our living room into a bedroom. Food won't be a problem, we grow far more than we eat as it is. Communication might be tough, but we have libraries and the Internet and I can't see why we couldn't figure it out somehow.

People were sent out of cities during the blitz, and all over the world. families in safe places took them in. I've been lucky enough in my lifetime not to see war firsthand. These people have. If I can help, I will.

02-09-2015 08:02PM

Wanderer78 wrote: »

hmm a lot more complicated than that im afraid. ive met many muslims, nothing wrong with them and im sure their version of islam is fine even though i know very little of their beliefs

I know many muslims, they aren't all terrorists that is obvious. In saying that though majority of muslims I have met in my experience are sexist and homophobic.

Streetwalker · 02-09-2015 08:03PM

eeguy wrote: »

The Syrian war is the only one that NATO and America hasn't directly intervened in.

Because of this it's dragged on for years.

At least Egypt, Libya and the other Arab Spring countries had quick wars, instead of this attrition.

Do some research on the amount of weapons the Americans sent to the "rebels" at the start of the war and come back to me and tell me they weren't directly involved. I seem to remember Clinton crowing on about how'd she'd bet Assad wouldnt be in power much longer, that's what 3 years ago now ffs. They attempted regime change and backed the savages you see cutting peoples heads off now. The sooner the better they stay the hell out of these middle eastern conflicts the region will be the better for it. Trying to force our way of life on these people when they don't want it is madness.

Eugene Norman · 02-09-2015 08:05PM

Nodin wrote: »

Considering the shooting had already started, it would have been the better option to back the secularists, which is what they did.

Assad is secular.

Eugene Norman · 02-09-2015 08:06PM

Streetwalker wrote: »

Do some research on the amount of weapons the Americans sent to the "rebels" at the start of the war and come back to me and tell me they weren't directly involved. I seem to remember Clinton crowing on about how'd she'd bet Assad wouldnt be in power much longer, that's what 3 years ago now ffs. They attempted regime change and backed the savages you see cutting peoples heads off now. The sooner the better they stay the hell out of these middle eastern conflicts the region will be the better for it. Trying to force our way of life on these people when they don't want it is madness.

Yeh. Amazing how many people don't know this even though it was fully reported at the time.

Streetwalker · 02-09-2015 08:07PM

handlemaster wrote: »

And what have you to fear ?
Germany is taking in 800,000 this year alone. Ireland can afford to take in alot more. Just the Irish people for all the talk of been a welcoming people just arent.

Putting them up in your gaf are you?

Thargor · 02-09-2015 08:07PM

They just showed the video of this on RTE news, shocking stuff

Streetwalker · 02-09-2015 08:09PM

Eugene Norman wrote: »

Yeh. Amazing how many people don't know this even though it was fully reported at the time.

Inconvenient truth.

JONJO THE MISER · 02-09-2015 08:14PM

We all know who to blame, the U.S and there meddling in the Middle East and elsewhere.

frostyjacks · 02-09-2015 08:18PM

Thargor wrote: »

They just showed the video of this on RTE news, shocking stuff

I thought they would just show the photo. The video was shocking.

zanador · 02-09-2015 08:21PM

Everyone uses political reasons to say well it's the USA's, or the EU's, or the Arab Spring's fault this happened and in so saying abdicate the responsibility for dealing with the situation. One reason for this is that the problem is too big for us to be able to even comprehend so we resort to blaming others to make it their problem to solve.

Really, it is people who are living and dying lives that are worse than anything we will ever have to deal with. We all have traumamatic times in our lives but they are living traumatic LIVES. Their whole lives. Every waking minute. We complain about stress but they are living actual, real, fight or flight stress all the time.

Surely, we can find a solution? I don't know what it is. There are so many issues to consider and difficulties that are perhaps insurmountable, but these are people who are living and dying on our whims and I don't know if that's excusable.

tomwaterford · 02-09-2015 08:23PM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

So what is the acceptable figure that people would like Ireland to take in?

"Just let them in" is kinda vague, and this was the attitude last night when it was being discussed on TV3 as well when Tom McGurk was asking the same question.

North Africa, Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan are big places, we're only a few months into this and thousands are arriving everyday, if the 28 countries don't soon come up with a solution on how to handle this then the chaos we see now in Hungary and Greece will be only the tip of the iceberg IMO.

However many it takes...sending refugees back to a war zone is not and should not be an option IMO

I'm pretty sure if they had a choice they'd rather not die by the boat/lorry load on there way to Northern Europe

If this was about benefits/soft touch countries....how come it never happened on anything approaching this scale before now?

What large area/city have Isis captured/trying to capture is causing people to flee in huge numbers?

0byme75341jo28 · 02-09-2015 08:27PM

I honestly don't care about how much they are suffering, there's no room in our country for a large influx of refugees unless we want to see a reduction in our quality of life, which I know I don't.

pablomakaveli · 02-09-2015 08:29PM

Eugene Norman wrote: »

Yeh. Amazing how many people don't know this even though it was fully reported at the time.

You're using this thread to push your anti-US agenda. Are they to blame? Sure they shoulder some blame. But it's just naive and ignorant to ignore the other factors that brought us to where we are today. For example the marginalising of Sunni's by the predominantly Shia administration in Iraq which benefited ISIS in Iraq or Assads ineptitude as a ruler which led to the civil war in the first place.

Theres a lot of people to blame. It's just lazy to blame the US for everything.

Baggy Trousers · 02-09-2015 08:29PM

The west is responsible for what is going on in Syria so absolutely needs to do more for these refugees. The response thus far has been appalling.

Baggy Trousers · 02-09-2015 08:32PM

Eliza Crooked Upstairs wrote: »

I honestly don't care about how much they are suffering, there's no room in our country for a large influx of refugees unless we want to see a reduction in our quality of life, which I know I don't.

Typical Irish mé-féin attitude. Remember our history.

Raging_Ninja · 02-09-2015 08:33PM

Baggy Trousers wrote: »

The west is responsible for what is going on in Syria so absolutely needs to do more for these refugees. The response thus far has been appalling.

I think the Syrians and Assad's forces have proven pretty adept at killing each other tbh.

Blaming "the West" can only go so far.

efb · 02-09-2015 08:36PM

Eliza Crooked Upstairs wrote: »

I honestly don't care about how much they are suffering, there's no room in our country for a large influx of refugees unless we want to see a reduction in our quality of life, which I know I don't.

two years boys can die as long as we can maintain our quality of life???

efb · 02-09-2015 08:37PM

The potato famine wasn't that long ago in our history, the coffin ships sailing across the atlantic

Eugene Norman · 02-09-2015 08:38PM

zanador wrote: »

Everyone uses political reasons to say well it's the USA's, or the EU's, or the Arab Spring's fault this happened and in so saying abdicate the responsibility for dealing with the situation. One reason for this is that the problem is too big for us to be able to even comprehend so we resort to blaming others to make it their problem to solve.

Really, it is people who are living and dying lives that are worse than anything we will ever have to deal with. We all have traumamatic times in our lives but they are living traumatic LIVES. Their whole lives. Every waking minute. We complain about stress but they are living actual, real, fight or flight stress all the time.

Surely, we can find a solution? I don't know what it is. There are so many issues to consider and difficulties that are perhaps insurmountable, but these are people who are living and dying on our whims and I don't know if that's excusable.

I hate this crap. It is the fcuking fault of the U.S. full stop.

Nobody here who said it was their fault said therefore we shouldn't take people in. We just said it was the fault of the U.S. We can blame the U.S. and take people.

SpaceSasqwatch · 02-09-2015 08:38PM

the lack of empathy and compassion by some people is unreal.

0byme75341jo28 · 02-09-2015 08:41PM

Baggy Trousers wrote: »

Typical Irish mé-féin attitude. Remember our history.

I do, yet it still doesnt make me care about them. Our history is irrelevant, I'm happy with Ireland the way it is now, a large influx of refugees will cripple us financially.

Eugene Norman · 02-09-2015 08:41PM

In taking people in we must do this fairly. Empty property first. Nama is sitting on lots of that. Holiday houses next. People with spare bedrooms and no kids next.

Not adding to rent or social housing lists. Time the middle classes had some pain.

SSLguru · 02-09-2015 08:42PM

Close the borders and it will stop.

If not word will soon get out that if Africans/Syrians /Iraqis can make the trip to Ireland ( a country most of them never even heard of ) they will get free housing , social welfare , every benefit under the sun and not have to work a day for it.

Once it does expect an invasion.

We don't need to import welfare grabbing uneducated leeches which hate the way western society operate and will try force their barbaric islam views onto the natives.

We have enough home grown social welfare grabbing parasites we don't need any more thanks.

efb · 02-09-2015 08:42PM

Eliza Crooked Upstairs wrote: »

I do, yet it still doesnt make me care about them. Our history is irrelevant, I'm happy with Ireland the way it is now, a large influx of refugees will cripple us financially.

how much did we write off during the banking crisis?

"Haunting Image Of Drowned Boy Sums Up Consequences Of 'The Syrian War'"

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