"Haunting Image Of Drowned Boy Sums Up Consequences Of 'The Syrian War'"

RobertKK · 02-09-2015 05:22PM

David Cameron said there was not enough room in the UK for that child, so it is ok.

SEPT 23 1989 · 02-09-2015 05:28PM

wait till the ones who left it too late are freezing to death in ditches across europe

there is no solution to this

handlemaster · 02-09-2015 05:29PM

snubbleste wrote: »

Contact the Irish red cross. Let them know you have some spare bedrooms to take in some migrants.
There are 100k people awaiting state housing already and rents are escalating

Yes not a problem but they have to be allowed in first. Like to iceland want has happened there . The coldness of your post is sad.

tonycascarino · 02-09-2015 05:30PM

handlemaster wrote: »

Just over the last few years since the crises started over 100,000 irish have been excepted in other countries . Irelands response to people who are genuinely excaping horror we can not begin to comprehend is offer 500 people entry into our country. Its shameful. We once had 8 million people living in our country in much worse time than now. Hats off to Germany on this continuing suffering on our door step.

500 becomes 1000, 1000 becomes 5000, 5000 becomes 10000 etc. We know how the EU works at this stage. The Slovak PM has it bang on the money when he says : "We strongly reject any quotas ... If a mechanism for automatic redistribution of migrants is adopted, then we will wake up one day and have 100,000 people from the Arab world and that is a problem I would not like Slovakia to have."

handlemaster · 02-09-2015 05:32PM

snubbleste wrote: »

Source?

Its not the issue. They are all human.

kstand · 02-09-2015 05:32PM

Old Jakey wrote: »

Only way to deal with this mess. We let in a small number of genuine asylum seekers and send the economic migrants back home.

This should have been policy from day one. But what do you do then when they go and throw away their passports? Where do you send them to?
The Syrians deserve our help, no question.

Personally I think there needs to be special towns/villages set up all along the European borders where these people can come and claim assylum. They must spend say 3 years in one of these places - but while there they are looked after, fed, clothed, receive proper medical care, their children and they themselves are schooled/trained. They are made learn 2 languages. They also do work to maintain the place they live etc and earn a wage. They are taught how to integrate and then after this time are let choose where to go in Europe.
Along with this, businesses should be given an incentive to hire these people once they are ready to integrate into European society and they are then protected by minimum wage structures etc.
What is going on now and has gone on for years is utter madness - immigration is a powder-keg without proper integration. And there can be no integration without education first of all, a full grasp of the language of where they intend to go and live etc. I live in London and there are many people here from asian backrounds who never even learn English and live in strict Ismlamic sub-cultures within this country. This is a recipe for utter disaster - and is playing into the hands of the far right.

tomwaterford · 02-09-2015 05:33PM

tonycascarino wrote: »

500 becomes 1000, 1000 becomes 5000, 5000 becomes 10000 etc. We know how the EU works at this stage. The Slovak PM has it bang on the money when he says : "We strongly reject any quotas ... If a mechanism for automatic redistribution of migrants is adopted, then we will wake up one day and have 100,000 people from the Arab world and that is a problem I would not like Slovakia to have."

Let them in...

In no world is right to send them back to ISIS land

handlemaster · 02-09-2015 05:34PM

tonycascarino wrote: »

500 becomes 1000, 1000 becomes 5000, 5000 becomes 10000 etc. We know how the EU works at this stage. The Slovak PM has it bang on the money when he says : "We strongly reject any quotas ... If a mechanism for automatic redistribution of migrants is adopted, then we will wake up one day and have 100,000 people from the Arab world and that is a problem I would not like Slovakia to have."

And what have you to fear ?
Germany is taking in 800,000 this year alone. Ireland can afford to take in alot more. Just the Irish people for all the talk of been a welcoming people just arent.

Old Jakey · 02-09-2015 05:36PM

handlemaster wrote: »

And what have you to fear ?
Germany is taking in 800,000 this year alone. Ireland can afford to take in alot more. Just the Irish people for all the talk of been a welcoming people just arent.

We don't the jobs, money, housing etc for hordes of migrants.

tonycascarino · 02-09-2015 05:38PM

tomwaterford wrote: »

Let them in..

In no world is right to send them back to ISIS land

Why didn't they stay in the 1st peaceful country they arrived in? Instead of staying there they come half way across Europe to try & get to countries deemed soft touches/great benefit systems. That does not appear to be genuine cases to me but chancers/economic migrants and they ruin it for the genuine refugees.

petrolcan · 02-09-2015 05:39PM

Old Jakey wrote: »

Only way to deal with this mess. We let in a small number of genuine asylum seekers and send the economic migrants back home.

Can you imagine what Ireland would be like if every country took that approach?

petrolcan · 02-09-2015 05:39PM

tonycascarino wrote: »

Another victim of this mad open doors policy.

What 'open doors' policy?

tonycascarino · 02-09-2015 05:40PM

handlemaster wrote: »

Germany is taking in 800,000 this year alone. Ireland can afford to take in alot more. Just the Irish people for all the talk of been a welcoming people just arent.

Good for Germany. That's their prerogative. Doesn't concern me what they do. I wonder what the actual Germans think of it all, not that dictator Merkel.

petrolcan wrote: »

What 'open doors' policy?

EU can't protect its borders. They let everyone & anyone in. Now it's out of control.

kstand · 02-09-2015 05:42PM

handlemaster wrote: »

And what have you to fear ?
Germany is taking in 800,000 this year alone. Ireland can afford to take in alot more. Just the Irish people for all the talk of been a welcoming people just arent.

Are you off your rocker? Ireland can take in say close on 1m people just like that? Are you on acid?

Edit: Sorry, may have taken you up wrong, I presume you mean more than the 500 that the country is taking.

darkpagandeath · 02-09-2015 05:42PM

Ireland does not have the capacity to absorb 800,000 Syrians in a year.

tomwaterford · 02-09-2015 05:43PM

tonycascarino wrote: »

No. Send them back to a peaceful country with similar customs & culture to them. Why didn't they stay in the 1st peaceful country they arrived in? Instead they come half way across Europe to try & get to countries deemed soft touches/great benefit systems.

If anything...train them up to go back to fight Isis

Though I do agree they should be Encouraged to integrate....let them use the benefits...it's not as if we don't have enough using them here

They could be trying to get as far as possible away from the war which if being honest is hardly just contained to Syria at this stage

My name is URL · 02-09-2015 05:47PM

tonycascarino wrote: »

Good for Germany. That's their prerogative. Doesn't concern me what they do.

It will when Merkle demands that Ireland take more. Thankfully (in this case) we can rest assured that Kenny and FG will do whatever she says.

There's no justifiable reason that Ireland cannot accept more migrants than it already is, while a handful of other EU countries are left to deal with it on their own. Ireland has been happy enough to take billions of euro from the EU over the years, so it should be willing to pull its weight in this crisis.

Eugene Norman · 02-09-2015 05:47PM

snubbleste wrote: »

Contact the Irish red cross. Let them know you have some spare bedrooms to take in some migrants.
There are 100k people awaiting state housing already and rents are escalating

Actually I think if we do have to take in asylum seekers we may have to sequester bed rooms of the middle classes.

Eugene Norman · 02-09-2015 05:49PM

My name is URL wrote: »

It will when Merkle demands that Ireland take more. Thankfully (in this case) we can rest assured that Kenny and FG will do whatever she says.

There's no justifiable reason that Ireland cannot accept more migrants than it already is, while a handful of other EU countries are left to deal with it on their own. Ireland has been happy enough to take billions of euro from the EU over the years, so it should be willing to pull its weight in this crisis.

The 10000 or so would need to be housed. We don't have the capacity for that unless we start to take places in people's houses.

tomwaterford · 02-09-2015 05:52PM

Eugene Norman wrote: »

The 10000 or so would need to be housed. We don't have the capacity for that unless we start to take places in people's houses.

Do the govt not own a rake of Nama properties...hotels etc??

Even a patched together ****hole of a place in Roscommon would be better than sending them back to get the heads cut off em

RobertKK · 02-09-2015 05:56PM

A lot of countries are responsible for the refugee crisis, the UK, France, USA, Ireland and most of Europe in general...

It all stems from the invasion of Iraq, the subsequent Arab Spring which the Irish government supported, Ireland was also a key part of the invasion of Iraq as millions of US troops passed through Shannon.

The invasion of Iraq destabilised the region, the Arab Spring for the most part just made things worse, better in Tunisia, but worse near everywhere else.

Europe and the US helped create the situation where these people have to flee to try and get a a better life, most are in Lebanon and Jordan, and it was fine for us westerners when it was their problem and not our problem. A quarter of Lebanon's population are Syrian refugees.

Then we have people in Europe and in Ireland who think we shouldn't accept responsibility for something we via our governments are responsible for.

Irish people shouldn't forget their history. we were like those people back in the 1800s fleeing famine, we had the ships with people dying, we reached the places like New York where the locals didn't want disease ridden famine victims, and anti-Irish sentiment grew.
These people fleeing to Europe, are no different to the Irish people of the 1840s and 1850s.
Irish people were allowed to start a new life in the US and elsewhere back then. The people fleeing their countries like Syria have things to offer us, they are able to work and contribute if we grant them asylum.
They show great initiative by being proactive and wanting to improve their lives, they are nor coming for social welfare.

02-09-2015 05:58PM

This is just my opinion. USA is the one who created a lot of the trouble in the area, so why aren't they doing more to take in some refugees? Also, how come the countries around the area like Saudi Arabia, Qatar, etc are not helping their fellow muslisms out? England also helped create the problem with their part in the war but at least they are taking refugees in.

Now Ireland is taking in 600 which is double what we are required to take in, so in my opinion this country is going above and beyond what we have to do, we simply just can't take in more.

On another note is there any way to check the backgrounds of these people coming over, because there could be a big likely hood that ISIS are pretending to be fleeing refugees so they can get into Europe. I have no problem with the genuine people who are fleeing from war, but there is always going to be some chancers from ISIS trying to sneak in.

mfceiling · 02-09-2015 05:59PM

tomwaterford wrote: »

Do the govt not own a rake of Nama properties...hotels etc??

Even a patched together ****hole of a place in Roscommon would be better than sending them back to get the heads cut off em

And what do you do when you dump them in Roscommon? Who feeds them? Transports them to school/college? Interprets for them if they need a doctor or hospital?

We are borrowing money hand over fist to keep the country running. How much extra will we need to borrow if we took in another 10,000 tomorrow? How much more would it stretch or health and education systems?

If we clear out Syria and spread their population across Europe then what will happen to their country? Will Isis just cruise around an empty wilderness or will they move on to the next country to wreck it as well.

RobertKK · 02-09-2015 05:59PM

Deleted User wrote: »

This is just my opinion. USA is the one who created a lot of the trouble in the area, so why aren't they doing more to take in some refugees? Also, how come the countries around the area like Saudi Arabia, Qatar, etc are not helping their fellow muslisms out? England also helped create the problem with their part in the war but at least they are taking refugees in.

Now Ireland is taking in 600 which is double what we are required to take in, so in my opinion this country is going above and beyond what we have to do, we simply just can't take in more.

On another note is there any way to check the backgrounds of these people coming over, because there could be a big likely hood that ISIS are pretending to be fleeing refugees so they can get into Europe. I have no problem with the genuine people who are fleeing from war, but there is always going to be some chancers from ISIS trying to sneak in.

Saudi Arabia and Qatar are linked to the financing of ISIS, and they hate Shia Muslims.

My name is URL · 02-09-2015 06:00PM

Eugene Norman wrote: »

The 10000 or so would need to be housed. We don't have the capacity for that unless we start to take places in people's houses.

I think 10,000 would be pushing it but 500 is just taking the piss

If the numbers were dispersed in towns across the country there shouldn't be that big a problem accommodating them.

darkpagandeath · 02-09-2015 06:01PM

Eugene Norman wrote: »

Actually I think if we do have to take in asylum seekers we may have to sequester bed rooms of the middle classes.

Sure I'm sure TD's with extra properties would be more than happy to donate the use of them. Sure and share the properties they have in Dublin as they don't use them that much so they can kip on the couch.

Eugene Norman · 02-09-2015 06:01PM

tomwaterford wrote: »

Do the govt not own a rake of Nama properties...hotels etc??

Even a patched together ****hole of a place in Roscommon would be better than sending them back to get the heads cut off em

Maybe. Although we seem to have misplaced our ghost estates.

02-09-2015 06:02PM

RobertKK wrote: »

Saudi Arabia and Qatar are linked to the financing of ISIS, and they hate Shia Muslims.

I hate all religion but I still dont want these people to die. Saudi should be held more accountable for helping these people is what i mean.

Eugene Norman · 02-09-2015 06:03PM

My name is URL wrote: »

I think 10,000 would be pushing it but 500 is just taking the piss

If the numbers were dispersed in towns across the country there shouldn't be that big a problem accommodating them.

10000 is less per capita than Germany will be taking this year. Yes 500 is not enough.

RobertKK · 02-09-2015 06:05PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I hate all religion but I still dont want these people to die. Saudi should be held more accountable for helping these people is what i mean.

Saudi Arabia would never want to help a Syrian. Syrians and Iranians are allies, enemies of Saudi Arabia. They are happy to see the mess Syria is in.

"Haunting Image Of Drowned Boy Sums Up Consequences Of 'The Syrian War'"

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