Ireland Team Talk/Gossip/Rumour Thread IV

smiley_face · 31-08-2015 09:20PM

Buer wrote: »

So, with Trimble now definitely out of the picture, who takes the 11 jersey as it's possibly the only jersey where there's a real debate? After the weekend, I'm leaning towards Dave Kearney slotting back in there and Zebo's ability to cover both wing and full back making him the likely candidate for the 23 jersey.

If Kearney doesn't make the team, I would think he's not in the 23 which I don't really see happening right now.

Neither Earls nor Fitzgerald made nearly a good enough case for the 11 jersey but there's a lot of rugby to be played between now and Italy.

11. Zebo, 14. D Kearney
23. Bowe

The Rape of Lucretia · 31-08-2015 09:25PM

Buer wrote: »

So, with Trimble now definitely out of the picture, who takes the 11 jersey as it's possibly the only jersey where there's a real debate? After the weekend, I'm leaning towards Dave Kearney slotting back in there and Zebo's ability to cover both wing and full back making him the likely candidate for the 23 jersey.

If Kearney doesn't make the team, I would think he's not in the 23 which I don't really see happening right now.

Neither Earls nor Fitzgerald made nearly a good enough case for the 11 jersey but there's a lot of rugby to be played between now and Italy.

Earlsie and Fitzo could be better options than ZeZe for the bench though. He doesnt cover 13. They do, as well as full back being covered by moving Paynser there.

smiley_face · 31-08-2015 09:25PM

connachta wrote: »

Agree but it means 80min+80+80 etc, until the injured one comes back or be definitively replaced.

What harm could it do against Canada or Romania to let Madigan play at 9, even start at 9?
Reddan could certainly do 60 to 70 mins against Italy before introducing Madigan if tired, not much problem in that either.
Against France if Murray is still out all that time then that would be very unlikely.

aimee1 · 31-08-2015 09:27PM

smiley_face wrote: »

What harm could it do against Canada or Romania to let Madigan play at 9, even start at 9?
Reddan could certainly do 60 to 70 mins against Italy before introducing Madigan if tired, not much problem in that either.
Against France if Murray is still out all that time then that would be very unlikely.

a lot. we need to put that game to bed early as and empty the bench after 50 minutes if possible

smiley_face · 31-08-2015 09:29PM

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Earlsie and Fitzo could be better options than ZeZe for the bench though. He doesnt cover 13. They do, as well as full back being covered by moving Paynser there.

Or move Henshaw to 13 and Madigan in at 12 off the bench.
23. really only has to cover the back 3.

connachta · 31-08-2015 09:31PM

smiley_face wrote: »

Or move Henshaw to 13 and Madigan in at 12 off the bench.
23. really only has to cover the back 3.

Madigan can't play 12 and 9 at the same time. Versatile ok, not ubiquitous:p

The Rape of Lucretia · 31-08-2015 09:33PM

smiley_face wrote: »

Or move Henshaw to 13 and Madigan in at 12 off the bench.
23. really only has to cover the back 3.

The point is, they cover more positions without using Madser. Which is a plus. Add in that Joe dropped Zeebs for Lukey, and so he probably offers a better bench option.

Buer · 31-08-2015 09:34PM

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Earlsie and Fitzo could be better options than ZeZe for the bench though. He doesnt cover 13. They do, as well as full back being covered by moving Paynser there.

Henshaw covers 13 (started there against Australia in November) with Madigan to 12 if Payne gets injured.

The player who plays 23 needs to be able to cover the back three specifically much more than centre.

case885 · 31-08-2015 09:36PM

smiley_face wrote:

Or move Henshaw to 13 and Madigan in at 12 off the bench. 23. really only has to cover the back 3.

Earls has played 11-15 at test level so if he's not starting he has a very strong case for the bench spot.

smiley_face · 31-08-2015 09:40PM

aimee1 wrote: »

a lot. we need to put that game to bed early as and empty the bench after 50 minutes if possible

This is just one way to manage it:

Romania: Reddan to start with Murray on bench. Reddan to put game to bed after 50 mins, Murray to come on and stretch his legs and practice some passing.

Canada: Murray to start with Reddan on bench. Murray to put game to bed after 50 mins, Reddan to come on and stretch his legs and practice some passing.

Italy: Murray to start, and Reddan to come on if we take a big lead by 50 mins. Otherwise just for last 20 ish to inject some energy.

France: Murray to play until tired, Reddan to come in when needed.

Any niggles to Murray, Madigan or Jackson take Reddan's role, and Reddan takes Murray's role.
Any niggles to Reddan, Murray stays as is, Madigan or Jackson take Reddan's role.

jacothelad · 31-08-2015 09:40PM

connachta wrote: »

He won't be fullback fur-long...:pac:

By a distance...about 220 yards to be exact

Stheno · 31-08-2015 09:40PM

PTH2009 wrote: »

This time 2 months the headlines

Ireland are world champions

I actually cannot imagine it

The country would go insane.

If we got to the final, I'm not sure I could imagine watching it.

Zzippy · 31-08-2015 09:42PM

PTH2009 wrote: »

This time 2 months the headlines

Ireland are world champions

:eek:

Right, who are you and what have you done with PTH2009???

connachta · 31-08-2015 09:42PM

What about Earls AND Fitzgerald to cover centre and wing (one start the other on the bench), with Payne/Henshaw to cover FB?

connachta · 31-08-2015 09:46PM

Stheno wrote: »

I actually cannot imagine it

The country would go insane.

If we got to the final, I'm not sure I could imagine watching it.

I can bet 500 Euros you will in the end:P

smiley_face · 31-08-2015 09:47PM

connachta wrote: »

Madigan can't play 12 and 9 at the same time. Versatile ok, not ubiquitous:p

21 to cover scrum half
22 to cover 10 and 12
23 to cover wing and fullback

If Madigan is 21 then Jackson is 22.
Can Jackson play 9 also?
Just wondering why nobody is considering a scenario where PJ is 21 and Madigan is 22, assuming Madigan is 2nd choice 10...

Stheno · 31-08-2015 09:50PM

connachta wrote: »

I can bet 500 Euros you will in the end:P

Of course I would, but it's kind of unimaginable.

I'd have to be in one of my favoured rugby watching pubs about two hours in advance to get a seat, I've planned that far ahead

I know for sure my OH wouldn't cope with the occasion, when we were playing NZ, and last year in the 6N he left for the last ten minutes of both as he couldn't cope with the tension in the room

connachta · 31-08-2015 09:50PM

smiley_face wrote: »

21 to cover scrum half
22 to cover 10 and 12
23 to cover wing and fullback

If Madigan is 21 then Jackson is 22.
Can Jackson play 9 also?
Just wondering why nobody is considering a scenario where PJ is 21 and Madigan is 22, assuming Madigan is 2nd choice 10...

Now jackson as scrummie:eek:. This thread is going crazier and crazier!!!:pac::pac:

connachta · 31-08-2015 09:52PM

Stheno wrote: »

last year in the 6N he left for the last ten minutes of both as he couldn't cope with the tension in the room

I did the same, breathtaking games weren't they?:eek:

smiley_face · 31-08-2015 09:59PM

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

The point is, they cover more positions without using Madser. Which is a plus. Add in that Joe dropped Zeebs for Lukey, and so he probably offers a better bench option.

If Zebo isn't 11, doubtful, then he definitely should be 23.
Who is starting 11 that is keeping Zebo out?
And who's on the right wing?
And what happens if Kearney had to go off injured??

Stheno · 31-08-2015 10:07PM

connachta wrote: »

I did the same, breathtaking games weren't they?:eek:

Ah jesus, you stay till the end, regardless that you've bitten your nails to the quick, or left yourself with voluntary baldness.

NO matter how many times you think you are approaching heart failure, you stay.

If we get to the final, grown men will cry.

If we look to be winning the final, I suspect many will watch it through teary eyes.

I was at the game last week, and when we had that final push, another fan in front of me turned around to chat and say that if POC scored it would be great

Complete stranger, lovely to see imo.

Henwin · 31-08-2015 10:28PM

omg, im gutted for Trimble if he isnt in d squad, he really is a great player, i hope they are just rumours that he is injured.

Stheno · 31-08-2015 10:29PM

Henwin wrote: »

omg, im gutted for Trimble if he isnt in d squad, he really is a great player, i hope they are just rumours that he is injured.

He reinjured his foot a couple of weeks ago, so likely.

Shame for him.

Was also sad to see that D'Arcy is not there, but that's me being a relic

Squidgy Black · 31-08-2015 10:44PM

My prediction:

31 players picked out of the 40 or so that are remaining in the squad.

All of them play rugby.

All of them are Irish eligible.

Closest prediction so far yet I think? :pac:

aimee1 · 31-08-2015 10:46PM

_Tyrrell_ wrote: »

My prediction:

31 players picked out of the 40 or so that are remaining in the squad.

All of them play rugby.

All of them are Irish eligible.

Closest prediction so far yet I think? :pac:

well warren gatland doesnt think they play rugby. so nowhere even remotely close

Stheno · 31-08-2015 10:51PM

aimee1 wrote: »

well warren gatland doesnt think they play rugby. so nowhere even remotely close

I know this sounds bitter, but the one thing I want after last weekend is to do better than ****ing wales in the world cup.

Let warren wonder then how much we play rugby.

I seriously think that given we've played more warm ups than anyone else to date iirc, and how diverse the teams we've fielded had, that Schmidt is planning on shocking the rugby world when we start the world cup, or more importantly at the end of our pool games.

I genuinely have no idea what he is thinking of doing, but I'd not be surprised to see something we've not seen before.

jm08 · 31-08-2015 11:16PM

connachta wrote: »

What about Earls AND Fitzgerald to cover centre and wing (one start the other on the bench), with Payne/Henshaw to cover FB?

Either Earls or Fitzgerald on the bench.
Zebo starts 11. If R Kearney gets injured, Zebo moves to full back and Earls/Fitzgerald slots in at 11.

Zebo starts or is out of the 23.

aimee1 · 31-08-2015 11:20PM

jm08 wrote: »

Either Earls or Fitzgerald on the bench.
Zebo starts 11. If R Kearney gets injured, Zebo moves to full back and Earls/Fitzgerald slots in at 11.

Zebo starts or is out of the 23.

D Kearney on the left wing
Zebo is 23. He was started at FB against scotland for a reason. He is going to cover wing and FB with Madigan [10/centre] and Earls/Fitz covering 11-14.

I think if the leaked squad is right, JS wants direct replacements in the backline to avoid shuffling people around. That would be my take on it anyway

jm08 · 31-08-2015 11:33PM

aimee1 wrote: »

D Kearney on the left wing
Zebo is 23. He was started at FB against scotland for a reason. He is going to cover wing and FB with Madigan [10/centre] and Earls/Fitz covering 11-14.

I think if the leaked squad is right, JS wants direct replacements in the backline to avoid shuffling people around. That would be my take on it anyway

D Kearney was played on the right wing though v. Wales.

Its no big deal moving from wing to fullback. They interchange throughout the match anyway. Similar situation between left wing and centre. Kidney said he liked moving Earls in from the wing into centre (for BOD) rather than bringing someone in cold from the bench in such a pivotal position - that way there was less disruption.

Worth noting that Zebo has only subbed once internationally (in first warmup game). He came on for Andrew Trimble who was on the right wing (Fergus McFadden moved over to leave Zebo on left wing).

smiley_face · 31-08-2015 11:36PM

jm08 wrote: »

Either Earls or Fitzgerald on the bench.
Zebo starts 11. If R Kearney gets injured, Zebo moves to full back and Earls/Fitzgerald slots in at 11.

Zebo starts or is out of the 23.

Or if Earls/Fitz start 11, Zebo can replace R Kearney directly.
Same result, so why not Zebo at 23?

Ireland Team Talk/Gossip/Rumour Thread IV

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