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Ireland Team Talk/Gossip/Rumour Thread IV

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  • #6092
    TICKLE_ME_ELMO
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    Tommy Bowe just got the 40 minutes with Ulster. Scored a try.


  • #6093
    total former
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    Try for Trimble after 64 mins, so he's made it that far anyway


  • #6094
    Buer
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    connachta wrote: »
    Photos+Schmidt press statement mean Healy and Moore are in the plane, McGrath as emergecy cover for TH, if Killcoyne is prefered to Bent. White and Furlong, in that order, are "the stay by the phone" men.
    Agree?

    McGrath can't play tighthead. Schmidt had him appear there once in his entire professional career as a sub where he was injured in one of his first scrums after being completely minced. Not a hope of him being asked to cover there.

    It's either Bent or 6 props with Kilcoyne and White both travelling.


  • #6095
    connachta
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    Buer wrote: »
    McGrath can't play tighthead. Schmidt had him appear there once in his entire professional career as a sub where he was injured in one of his first scrums after being completely minced. Not a hope of him being asked to cover there.

    It's either Bent or 6 props with Kilcoyne and White both travelling.

    If Ross and Moore both fit, it's a reasonnable risk. Mcgrath will only play here if there's an injury within 48 hours before a game. And even in this scenario, he would barely do 10 minutes. It's the same case as Madigan for SH, except that taking the risk just for Killcoyne instead of Bent may not worth it at all


  • #6096
    irishbucsfan
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    No chance McGrath travels as TH cover. Only Gerry Thornley could imagine such a thing!


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  • #6097
    Buer
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    connachta wrote: »
    If Ross and Moore both fit, it's a reasonnable risk. Mcgrath will only play here if there's an injury within 48 hours before a game. And even in this scenario, he would barely do 10 minutes. It's the same case as Madigan for SH, except that taking the risk just for Killcoyne instead of Bent may not worth it at all

    The last time he played there for 10 minutes, he copped a serious injury. It's not even up for discussion. The only reason he even appeared there on that occasion was because both the starting and sub tighthead went off injured already.

    If Moore gets a knock a day before a game, it would mean Ross having to play 80 minutes which he cannot do or bring in a guy who can't play tighthead. We may as well be discussing Cian Healy playing hooker as he probably has as much experience there as McGrath has at tighthead.


  • #6098
    thomond2006
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    John Hayes was interviewed this week on Nationwide and today he's been name dropped by Paul O'Connell.

    Something is in the works.


  • #6099
    connachta
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    irishbucsfan wrote: »
    No chance McGrath travels as TH cover. Only Gerry Thornley could imagine such a thing!

    Joe talked about him against Argentina, but it is probably just in case of Bent injury with Leinster


  • #6100
    total former
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    connachta wrote: »
    Joe talked about him against Argentina, but it is probably just in case of Bent injury with Leinster

    He did play TH for a few minutes against Argentina but in very extenuating circumstances, it won't happen at the RWC.

    Why do you think this is a possibility?


  • #6101
    irishbucsfan
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    Buer wrote: »
    The last time he played there for 10 minutes, he copped a serious injury. It's not even up for discussion.

    And later that season McGrath was on the bench when both of Leinster's THs went down injured in the Pro 12 final and Leinster said they had no player capable of playing TH so they went to uncontested scrums. Ospreys would feel pretty agrieved if they turned around and suddenly saw him playing TH in the world cup!


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  • #6102
    connachta
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    total former wrote: »
    He did play TH for a few minutes against Argentina but in very extenuating circumstances, it won't happen at the RWC.

    Why do you think this is a possibility?

    I don't, just imagine a 5-prop selection without Bent


  • #6103
    smiley_face
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    Don't see the logic in bringing two injured props out of 5, unless one of them at least will be definitely ready to play from the bench at least against Canada in 3 weeks.
    My guess is Moore will be ready by then so he will bench for Ross, While McGrath and Bent cover LH.
    Healy will probably get to sub for the Romania match or else the Italy match, which are 4 and 5 weeks away, so he will hopefully be flying it by then.
    Unless White is very solid tomorrow, and Moore isn't fit enough to travel, then White could take his place.
    Kilcoyne will surely lose out unless we take 6 props, and leave an extra back behind.
    I would take 5 props and rest Healy til we play Italy.


  • #6104
    Buer
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    If Healy can play against Italy, he needs to go. It's a risk but one that's worth taking.

    We can count our genuinely world class performers who have delivered at this level previously on your fingers and he's one of them. You don't leave them behind.


  • #6105
    typhoony
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    fascinating weekend coming up with all bets still off on the makeup of the team, by 4.30 tomorrow we should have a clearer picture. wish we had coverage on RTE just for the commentary and the pundits opinions, on the other hand sick of hearing alan quinlan saying zebos name every 30 seconds


  • #6106
    CatFromHue
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    RTE have highlights tomorrow night


  • #6107
    connachta
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    smiley_face wrote: »
    Unless White is very solid tomorrow, and Moore isn't fit enough to travel, then White could take his place.

    The question is : is it an inclusive "and"? Both conditions united,
    Or White ahead if 1) he's great t'morrow, or 2) if he's just very good but with Moore to 90% fitness?


  • #6108
    CatFromHue
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    Has Rory Best only played 20mins against Scotland for either Ire or Ulster so far?


  • #6109
    total former
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    CatFromHue wrote: »
    Has Rory Best only played 20mins against Scotland for either Ire or Ulster so far?

    Yes. I pointed this out yesterday, something is up with him. Herring was brought back to train during the week too. Presume nothing major but it's odd.


  • #6110
    Yeah_Right
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    typhoony wrote: »
    wish we had coverage on RTE just for the commentary and the pundits opinions, on the other hand sick of hearing alan quinlan saying zebos name every 30 seconds

    Please tell me that you considered George Hook as comedy entertainment and not as a rugby analyst!!


  • #6111
    smiley_face
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    connachta wrote: »
    The question is : is it an inclusive "and"? Both conditions united,
    Or White ahead if 1) he's great t'morrow, or 2) if he's just very good but with Moore to 90% fitness?

    IMO it depends more on how much faith they have in Moore gaining fitness than on White's performance.
    If Moore is likely to be fit in the next few weeks then that will probably be enough to get him over the line. They seem to have a lot of time for him.
    It's likely that White is auditioning for the call-up spot, and to be involved in future campaigns i.e. Next year's 6 Nations.
    IMO Furlong has fallen behind White now in the reckoning, so a good performance by White may keep him ahead of Furlong a while longer.


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  • #6112
    Western Pomise
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    smiley_face wrote: »
    IMO it depends more on how much faith they have in Moore gaining fitness than on White's performance.
    If Moore is likely to be fit in the next few weeks then that will probably be enough to get him over the line. They seem to have a lot of time for him.
    It's likely that White is auditioning for the call-up spot, and to be involved in future campaigns i.e. Next year's 6 Nations.
    IMO Furlong has fallen behind White now in the reckoning, so a good performance by White may keep him ahead of Furlong a while longer.


    I think they will give Moore every chance to recover as we are very light in that position for lads that can make a genuine impact.


  • #6113
    phog
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    smiley_face wrote: »
    Don't see the logic in bringing two injured props out of 5, unless one of them at least will be definitely ready to play from the bench at least against Canada in 3 weeks.
    My guess is Moore will be ready by then so he will bench for Ross, While McGrath and Bent cover LH.
    Healy will probably get to sub for the Romania match or else the Italy match, which are 4 and 5 weeks away, so he will hopefully be flying it by then.
    Unless White is very solid tomorrow, and Moore isn't fit enough to travel, then White could take his place.
    Kilcoyne will surely lose out unless we take 6 props, and leave an extra back behind.
    I would take 5 props and rest Healy til we play Italy.

    Bringing two injured props who are close to fitness would be less of a gamble than bringing just two scrumhalves. Even if they think Madigan can cover at scrumhalf.


  • #6114
    willit
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    phog wrote: »
    Bringing two injured props who are close to fitness would be less of a gamble than bringing just two scrumhalves. Even if they think Madigan can cover at scrumhalf.

    Surely you can't travel with 2 out of 5 props injured. What if they're both still injured for the Canada game? Do we send one home 48 hours beforehand and call in a replacement anyway? Surely we can't have a match day squad with just 3 available props, as in we wouldn't be allowed under competition rules? Surely that makes it a greater gamble than the 2 scrum halves idea with Mads as emergency cover?

    Now that's a lot of surely ; -)


  • #6115
    sydthebeat
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    willit wrote: »
    Surely you can't travel with 2 out of 5 props injured. What if they're both still injured for the Canada game? Do we send one home 48 hours beforehand and call in a replacement anyway? Surely we can't have a match day squad with just 3 available props, as in we wouldn't be allowed under competition rules? Surely that makes it a greater gamble than the 2 scrum halves idea with Mads as emergency cover?

    Now that's a lot of surely ; -)

    You are correct, we couldn't field a team v canada with just 3 props, it would have to be 4. So if neither healy or moore will be medically ready for that game. One of them stays behind.
    However all the rumblings from the training sessions is that both are looking to be medically ready. ... whether match fit is a different story.

    Personally I would have no problem if the Italy game was healy or moores first game. Healy would start v france and moore would bench.


  • #6116
    Buer
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    We wouldn't be taking injured props. We'd be taking props who aren't match fit. They're both back in training and are looking likely to be able to play some part in the England game or, at worst, the opening pool games to sharpen up ahead of Italy and France.


  • #6117
    phog
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    willit wrote: »
    Surely you can't travel with 2 out of 5 props injured. What if they're both still injured for the Canada game? Do we send one home 48 hours beforehand and call in a replacement anyway? Surely we can't have a match day squad with just 3 available props, as in we wouldn't be allowed under competition rules? Surely that makes it a greater gamble than the 2 scrum halves idea with Mads as emergency cover?

    Now that's a lot of surely ; -)

    The lads will not be travelling by air ambulance, it's just that they're not fit to play today or maybe next week but Joe and the medics will know they'll be fit for the tournament.


  • #6118
    aimee1
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    willit wrote: »
    Surely you can't travel with 2 out of 5 props injured. What if they're both still injured for the Canada game? Do we send one home 48 hours beforehand and call in a replacement anyway? Surely we can't have a match day squad with just 3 available props, as in we wouldn't be allowed under competition rules? Surely that makes it a greater gamble than the 2 scrum halves idea with Mads as emergency cover?

    Now that's a lot of surely ; -)

    Maybe 6 props are going??? Dont rule it out


  • #6119
    KevinK
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    Will players outside the 31 man squad be allowed play against England next week?

    I seem to remember that only members of the 31 man squad being allowed train with the team at the last world cup.


  • #6120
    aimee1
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    KevinK wrote: »
    Will players outside the 31 man squad be allowed play against England next week?

    I seem to remember that only members of the 31 man squad being allowed train with the team at the last world cup.

    i dont see how you can stop players outside the 31 playing a non world cup game 2 weeks before the tournament starts


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  • #6121
    Podge_irl
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    KevinK wrote: »
    Will players outside the 31 man squad be allowed play against England next week?

    I seem to remember that only members of the 31 man squad being allowed train with the team at the last world cup.

    Yes they can. Only the 31 can train together once in England.


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