Ireland Team Talk/Gossip/Rumour Thread IV

26-08-2015 10:42AM

.ak wrote: »

I have a feeling we'll see

Kearney
Trimble
Payne
Henshaw
Dave Kearney
Sexton
Murray
Murphy
Henry
POM
POC
Hendo
Ross
Best
McGrath

Cronin
Bent
Moore
Ryan
Heaslip
Boss
Madigan
Fitzgerald

Yup, exact same team as I'd call. Agree with Hendo and Ryan, though wouldn't be surprised if Ryan started and Hendo benched (with Toner starting next week and Hendo benching again).

.ak wrote: »

Good call actually. It'd be a pretty big test and if there's question marks over Moore I think you might be right.

I'm not sure that both White and Moore would both be in the squad for Saturday, I think only one of them will be along with Ross. So far it seems from quotes in the media that they are trying to get Moore time so Ross to start with Moore on the bench.

If Moore comes through I'd expect the same against England, then Ross to bench both of the first two games and start the following two against Italy and France. To my mind, the more Ross plays in the warm ups the better.

blackdog1 · 26-08-2015 10:44AM

.ak wrote: »

I have a feeling we'll see

Kearney
Trimble
Payne
Henshaw
Dave Kearney
Sexton
Murray
Murphy
Henry
POM
POC
Hendo
Ross
Best
McGrath

Cronin
Bent
Moore
Ryan
Heaslip
Boss
Madigan
Fitzgerald

Think he'll wait till England game for full team. He's still finalising last spots I recon. Might see Henshaw but probably not payne etc probably jordi or henry at 7. Furlong or white need a run if moore isn't going to make it. Chance to see utility players in other positions too. I expect Earls at 13.

bilston · 26-08-2015 10:48AM

The England game worries me a bit. I expect we will see both Ireland and England go at it full pelt and I'd be pleasantly surprised if all 46 players involved come out of it in one piece.

molloyjh · 26-08-2015 10:48AM

.ak wrote: »

I have a feeling we'll see

Kearney
Trimble
Payne
Henshaw
Dave Kearney
Sexton
Murray
Murphy
Henry
POM
POC
Hendo
Ross
Best
McGrath

Cronin
Bent
Moore
Ryan
Heaslip
Boss
Madigan
Fitzgerald

Pretty close I reckon. Moores fitness might force a slight rethink on the tighthead spots with White possibly starting if they don't see Moore making it back in time. I reckon we'll see Reddan on the bench as well.

connachta · 26-08-2015 10:52AM

The provincial system has been a big help n allowing Schmidt ‘not cut’ players. The coming hours will bring another raft of players released from Ireland duty to “put the boots on” for their province this weekend. Ireland’s coaching staff will insist that those players remain in with a shot of inclusion on the list submitted on Monday. It will be a long shot though.

“I dare say after the provincial matches we’ll still have a couple of quandaries on Saturday night. That’s a great thing to have.

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Witheringeye · 26-08-2015 11:40AM

.ak wrote: »

I have a feeling we'll see

Kearney
Trimble
Payne
Henshaw
Dave Kearney
Sexton
Murray
Murphy
Henry
POM
POC
Hendo
Ross
Best
McGrath

Cronin
Bent
Moore
Ryan
Heaslip
Boss
Madigan
Fitzgerald

Yeah I'd say that's fairly close. I can see the logic of DK at 11 but I still don't understand it. He's already tried 3 players there in the first two games. I would think joe would see it as a priority to give his expected 23 as much game time as possible this just baffles me. Just worries me that he hasn't a clue who his 11 is.

I think heaslip will start, sob got a game at 8 which implies he'll move over if Jamie's injured do there's not as much need to get jordi game time. Also think toner will start

26-08-2015 11:49AM

Witheringeye wrote: »

Yeah I'd say that's fairly close. I can see the logic of DK at 11 but I still don't understand it. He's already tried 3 players there in the first two games. I would think joe would see it as a priority to give his expected 23 as much game time as possible this just baffles me. Just worries me that he hasn't a clue who his 11 is.

It makes sense if Dave Kearney is currently first choice. I'm not suggesting he is at all, but he hasn't started Murray, Sexton, Henshaw etc yet but they are obviously no.1 in their positions.

The first two matches seem to have been about providing match fitness and assessing marginal calls. The next two matches are about sharpening up our first choice squad more than assessing marginal calls so should be telling as to where things are.

2smiggy · 26-08-2015 12:08PM

bilston wrote: »

The England game worries me a bit. I expect we will see both Ireland and England go at it full pelt and I'd be pleasantly surprised if all 46 players involved come out of it in one piece.

me too, at least there is no manu tuilagi involved this time !!

b.gud · 26-08-2015 12:12PM

bilston wrote: »

The England game worries me a bit. I expect we will see both Ireland and England go at it full pelt and I'd be pleasantly surprised if all 46 players involved come out of it in one piece.

Ya it's a worry for any of these games, but am I right in thinking that there were no injuries after the England Ireland 6N game this year?

molloyjh · 26-08-2015 12:15PM

b.gud wrote: »

Ya it's a worry for any of these games, but am I right in thinking that there were no injuries after the England Ireland 6N game this year?

No, but that's because they rolled over and played dead like they did against the French at the weekend. This will be their last warm-up and they'll be looking to make up for the France game. Plus they'll be at home.

26-08-2015 12:18PM

b.gud wrote: »

Ya it's a worry for any of these games, but am I right in thinking that there were no injuries after the England Ireland 6N game this year?

Sean O'Brien had concussion but otherwise all were ok.

As Molloy said though, England will have been lambasted after the weekend and I fully expect a few guys to be playing for a spot on the team.

England's physicality especially at the breakdown was seriously called into question so you have to think there are going to be a lot of collisions there that will lead to a bit wear and tear.

Witheringeye · 26-08-2015 12:24PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

It makes sense if Dave Kearney is currently first choice. I'm not suggesting he is at all, but he hasn't started Murray, Sexton, Henshaw etc yet but they are obviously no.1 in their positions.

The first two matches seem to have been about providing match fitness and assessing marginal calls. The next two matches are about sharpening up our first choice squad more than assessing marginal calls so should be telling as to where things are.

Oh yeah I agree with pretty much everything you've said there. It just seems as though there's too many wingers in the squad and he's struggling to find a balance between getting his likely starters game time and giving everyone a run out.

There is the possibility that he doesn't have a clue who his wingers are so he's letting them all get a shot. But it seems so unlike joe that he wouldn't have a good idea at this stage and that he'd decide between two players on one game of rugby.

I personally think we'll see
11fitz
14dave K
15 rob Kearney

23bowe

aimee1 · 26-08-2015 12:49PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

It makes sense if Dave Kearney is currently first choice. I'm not suggesting he is at all, but he hasn't started Murray, Sexton, Henshaw etc yet but they are obviously no.1 in their positions. I

The first two matches seem to have been about providing match fitness and assessing marginal calls. The next two matches are about sharpening up our first choice squad more than assessing marginal calls so should be telling as to where things are.

I think the injury situation at prop and with Trimble might have a hand in selection for saturdays xv. But by and large it is about getting match practice in for most of the squad in the two warm ups and the canada game.

Will be interesting to see how selection goes for canada and romania

dregin · 26-08-2015 01:53PM

bilston wrote: »

The England game worries me a bit. I expect we will see both Ireland and England go at it full pelt and I'd be pleasantly surprised if all 46 players involved come out of it in one piece.

I'd be surprised to see our first choice 15 on the field. I think it would be utterly insane to play either Murray or Sexton. I know they need game time, but we just can't afford to lose them.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO · 26-08-2015 02:07PM

dregin wrote: »

I'd be surprised to see our first choice 15 on the field. I think it would be utterly insane to play either Murray or Sexton. I know they need game time, but we just can't afford to lose them.

The likes of Murray and Sexton could probably get their game time against Canada and Romania. Chances are they'll be "easier" matches than playing Wales/England.

Witheringeye · 26-08-2015 02:08PM

dregin wrote: »

I'd be surprised to see our first choice 15 on the field. I think it would be utterly insane to play either Murray or Sexton. I know they need game time, but we just can't afford to lose them.

I think it would be utterly insane not to play them. They need game time. Simple as. Injury is just a risk of modern rugby

total former · 26-08-2015 02:10PM

dregin wrote: »

I'd be surprised to see our first choice 15 on the field. I think it would be utterly insane to play either Murray or Sexton. I know they need game time, but we just can't afford to lose them.

So when would you introduce Murray and Sexton? They need game time.

The Lost Sheep · 26-08-2015 02:19PM

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

The likes of Murray and Sexton could probably get their game time against Canada and Romania. Chances are they'll be "easier" matches than playing Wales/England.

But they'll need more time than that to get up to speed for the big games in pool and to get us into quarters and beyond.

The two of them need to play and will play 1 of the remaining warm up games

TICKLE_ME_ELMO · 26-08-2015 02:29PM

It'll be interesting to see what kind of team England name against us. They'll have the squad announced by then and given they have to be 100% for pretty much the entire pool stage will they risk their bigger names getting injured in their last warm up? At the same time they need to be sure that their preferred starting 15 have as much game time together as possible.

Quin_Dub · 26-08-2015 02:52PM

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

It'll be interesting to see what kind of team England name against us. They'll have the squad announced by then and given they have to be 100% for pretty much the entire pool stage will they risk their bigger names getting injured in their last warm up? At the same time they need to be sure that their preferred starting 15 have as much game time together as possible.

Had their other games gone to plan I'd have said that they'd probably put out a bit of a mixed team..

However, given the abject nature of the performance in Paris I suspect that they will be pretty much fully loaded as they need a "performance" at home to try to build momentum and to get the media/supporters onside..

bilston · 26-08-2015 03:34PM

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Had their other games gone to plan I'd have said that they'd probably put out a bit of a mixed team..

However, given the abject nature of the performance in Paris I suspect that they will be pretty much fully loaded as they need a "performance" at home to try to build momentum and to get the media/supporters onside..

I agree, I think they will go full strength as well. I don't know what way their fixtures fall other than they kick off against Fiji and that is a game where they will obviously be expected to win, but equally they will have to be fully primed for.

We on the other hand could go full strength against Wales, mix and match against England and then full strength against Romania when the tournament starts.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO · 26-08-2015 03:38PM

bilston wrote: »

I agree, I think they will go full strength as well. I don't know what way their fixtures fall other than they kick off against Fiji and that is a game where they will obviously be expected to win, but equally they will have to be fully primed for.

We on the other hand could go full strength against Wales, mix and match against England and then full strength against Romania when the tournament starts.

England play Fiji on the 18th, Wales on the 26th, Australia on the 3rd, finish with Uruguay on the 10th.

You'd assume they'll beat Uruguay at the end even with a few players missing/resting but it does mean that they'll have to go full strength for their first 3 matches. They'll want to beat Fiji and get the bonus point there too, you'd assume.

Henwin · 26-08-2015 03:51PM

When is the Irish squad being announced

smiley_face · 26-08-2015 04:13PM

bilston wrote: »

I agree, I think they will go full strength as well. I don't know what way their fixtures fall other than they kick off against Fiji and that is a game where they will obviously be expected to win, but equally they will have to be fully primed for.

We on the other hand could go full strength against Wales, mix and match against England and then full strength against Romania Canada when the tournament starts.

FYP

total former · 26-08-2015 04:22PM

Henwin wrote: »

When is the Irish squad being announced

Monday

redmca2 · 26-08-2015 04:32PM

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

England play Fiji on the 18th, Wales on the 26th, Australia on the 3rd, finish with Uruguay on the 10th.

You'd assume they'll beat Uruguay at the end even with a few players missing/resting but it does mean that they'll have to go full strength for their first 3 matches. They'll want to beat Fiji and get the bonus point there too, you'd assume.

If the big 3 happen to cancel each other out, i.e. 1 win and 1 loss each then England may end up playing Uraguay needing a cricket score to be sure of qualification .....

TICKLE_ME_ELMO · 26-08-2015 04:42PM

redmca2 wrote: »

If the big 3 happen to cancel each other out, i.e. 1 win and 1 loss each then England may end up playing Uraguay needing a cricket score to be sure of qualification .....

Yep. Entirely possible they'll need to put out their best 15 for the entire pool stage. I'm not sure they've got that much depth in the extended squad that they'll be able to rest any of them beyond 10/15 minutes at the end of a match and then only if they've manged to have it wrapped up at that point.

sydthebeat · 26-08-2015 04:44PM

loosing bonus points could also be a huge factor if the top 3 cancel each other out, england might have nothing to play for going into the last game

they are playing fiji at the worst time

TICKLE_ME_ELMO · 26-08-2015 04:51PM

sydthebeat wrote: »

loosing bonus points could also be a huge factor if the top 3 cancel each other out, england might have nothing to play for going into the last game

they are playing fiji at the worst time

They're talking about reviewing when/how the seeds and pool draws are done to avoid a future "pool of death" situation but I think it's great. That one pool is going to provide some great matches, hopefully. And, as outlined above, winning/losing bonus points should make them even more interesting. It's not like we're going to end up with someone like Canada making the QF and essentially giving another team a walk over to the SF. Scotland/Samoa are likely to be the team that benefit.

Granted, I would probably feel differently if it was Ireland stuck in there.

bilston · 26-08-2015 05:06PM

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

Granted, I would probably feel differently if it was Ireland stuck in there.

In 2003 we had Australia and Argentina and then France and Argentina in 2007, so we have had our share of tough pools.

Ireland Team Talk/Gossip/Rumour Thread IV

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