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The 3 favs for the next US president is crazy. How can 2 families have so much power?

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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 654 ✭✭✭Gerry Rio


    nokia69 wrote: »
    no, I mean getting the republican nomination, right now 50/1 would be a great bet


    Ah ok, I get you now. Mind you, Paddy Power has him as third favourite to win the whole damn thing.

    Crazy!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,895 ✭✭✭nokia69


    Gerry Rio wrote: »
    Ah ok, I get you now. Mind you, Paddy Power has him as third favourite to win the whole damn thing.

    Crazy!

    well he could win it, it is possible, he would beat Hillary for example

    but it looks like Biden and Warren will be the dems choice, they would beat the Donald easy enough


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,669 ✭✭✭✭RobbingBandit


    Trump has said he would run as a third party candidate if he misses out on the Republican nomination.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,895 ✭✭✭nokia69


    Trump has said he would run as a third party candidate if he misses out on the Republican nomination.

    I don't think he has, he just won't rule it out


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,304 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    nokia69 wrote: »
    well he could win it, it is possible, he would beat Hillary for example

    but it looks like Biden and Warren will be the dems choice, they would beat the Donald easy enough

    Trump reminds me of the Shinners here. They do well in the polls but once it comes to the real ballot and putting the x beside their name people just say "nah" and vote for anyone else.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,895 ✭✭✭nokia69


    JRant wrote: »
    Trump reminds me of the Shinners here. They do well in the polls but once it comes to the real ballot and putting the x beside their name people just say "nah" and vote for anyone else.

    maybe

    but he got close to 30K people in a stadium a few days ago, Bush found it hard to fill a small room

    every poll has errors but Trump is leading most of them by multiples of the margin of error


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,918 ✭✭✭Dave_The_Sheep


    Sadly, Sanders hasn't a hope against Clinton. If he gets even slightly close, then something will be dug out to smear him, true or not. A medical report implying he's too infirm to be president, or something else. I can't see if getting that close, Clinton simply has too much money. She's a dead cert for the Democratic nomination - and against a Bush, I think she's also a dead cert for President too.

    People forget how apathetic most of America is (much like most places to be fair).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,243 ✭✭✭✭Jesus Wept


    I'm not a Hilary fan but she is hardly a token candidate giving her standing in politics.
    Honestly not sure what way it will go, was convinced Hilary didn't have a hope a year or two ago, now I just don't know. I wouldn't rush to put money on at evens or 6/4, a lot can happen.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,895 ✭✭✭nokia69


    its amazing that people still think Clinton has a chance

    do you have any idea the trouble she could be in over her E-mails and server, she may be going to prison


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,304 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    Trump has said he would run as a third party candidate if he misses out on the Republican nomination.

    Provided he can get ballot access in all 50 states.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,967 ✭✭✭Hande hoche!


    Trump might end up with a performance similar to Schwarzenegger.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,304 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    nokia69 wrote: »
    maybe

    but he got close to 30K people in a stadium a few days ago, Bush found it hard to fill a small room

    every poll has errors but Trump is leading most of them by multiples of the margin of error

    There's no doubt he's way ahead in the polls but he must have more skeletons in his closest than Fred West.

    Only a matter of time before the real juicy stuff comes out.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,906 ✭✭✭Streetwalker


    The part of me that's divilment driven wants Trump to get in just for the fuckery of it all.

    Yeap until he orders the marines into Ukraine and we all head into a 50 year winter and the end of human civilisation.

    Three ****ty candidates but if we all want to see our children grow old give me Clinton any day of the week over the other two.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,895 ✭✭✭nokia69


    Yeap until he orders the marines into Ukraine and we all head into a 50 year winter and the end of human civilisation.

    Three ****ty candidates but if we all want to see our children grow old give me Clinton any day of the week over the other two.

    Trump has said the US should do a deal with the Russians, he thinks pushing them closer to China is a bad idea

    I think he's right


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,906 ✭✭✭Streetwalker


    JRant wrote: »
    There's no doubt he's way ahead in the polls but he must have more skeletons in his closest than Fred West.

    Only a matter of time before the real juicy stuff comes out.

    Doesn't matter and tbh I think if dirt does come out we'll see his numbers go even higher.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,895 ✭✭✭nokia69


    it all depends on the story, but if the headline is something like

    TRUMP SHAGGING SUPER MODEL BEHIND WIFES BACK

    then he could just get even more votes


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,370 ✭✭✭✭Son Of A Vidic


    If Hilary wins, then 4 out of the last 5 presidents in a country of over 300 million people will have come from 2 families as you've said. Democracy!!

    Democracy indeed. America, where big money, super pacs and corporate power plays rule the day. Before the next presidential puppet is even sworn in, you can be sure they'll be already well owned by the likes of Goldman Sachs.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,895 ✭✭✭nokia69


    Democracy indeed. America, where big money, super pacs and corporate power plays rule the day. Before the next presidential puppet is even sworn in, you can be sure they'll be already well owned by the likes of Goldman Sachs.

    not the Donald

    Bush was already on the Goldman Sachs payroll


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 654 ✭✭✭Gerry Rio


    Democracy indeed. America, where big money, super pacs and corporate power plays rule the day. Before the next presidential puppet is even sworn in, you can be sure they'll be already well owned by the likes of Goldman Sachs.

    Or "Government Sachs" as they're known in the States.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 108 ✭✭Arytonblue


    Gerry Rio wrote: »
    Or "Government Sachs" as they're known in the States.

    Wouldn't be his biggest fan and his films can be quite flimsy when it comes to facts but I was watching Michael Moore's Capitalism: A Love Story recently and he goes into some detail about the incredible amount of people from Goldman Sachs who have been given key positions in U.S. administrations over the years, both Democrat and Republican. It's quite astounding how much influence one particular financial institution can have on such a powerful country, frightening even.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 321 ✭✭TomBtheGoat


    nokia69 wrote: »
    not the Donald

    Bush was already on the Goldman Sachs payroll

    I don't that was disputed so you might need to read that post again.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    I actually think the last thing Trump wants is to win the election.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,341 ✭✭✭Fallschirmjager


    one of the reasons the Founders of the US wanted ordinary people in Congress/Senate and Presidency was to avoid exactly this, the creation of the equivalent of royal families.

    The way they designed the system, the job in the US govt as a congressman etc was only ever to be temporary and actually quite poorly paid. so the idea is you did it as a kind of a service to your country for a term and then went back to your real life and job. also the government was only supposed to meet for a limited number of days per year (like texas does for example) so they also knew that if the elected members were living continually in one place (e.g. Washington DC) they would get a very weird view of what the people who elected them wanted. it was one of the reasons the senate was originally populated with elected officials from each state, that was to ensure the individual states always had a veto that would ensure the a power elite in Washington could be stalled. that changed with an amendment that allowed them to be elected by the population which IMHO was a serious mistake thereby allowing parties to control both houses. so a common misunderstanding is the US is a democracy, it most emphatically is not (or rather wasnt meant to be), its a republic..there is a big difference. To quote Jefferson : "Democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where 51% of the people may take away the rights of the other 49%."

    The founders also knew that power would always centralise, no matter what they did so the idea was to delay that as long as possible, giving the US people time to fix it. so the design was to have the branches of government with enough power to do something but not enough to steam roller everyone else and to have them all fighting each other for power.

    the final component is the gun laws, now (and with the shooting yesterday) much maligned. the gun law, aka the 2nd amendment, was the final component to as quoted again by Jefferson :'When government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny'. the 2nd amendment has nothing to do with hunting or any other BS you hear, it is a check on power. that of course is lost in the arguments about shootings but i digress. also something quite interesting is the founders were very concerned about centalisation for this reason: Financiers, bankers and industrialists make cities the 'cesspools of corruption', and should be avoided.

    What has happened in the US is the creation (and to be honest here in Ireland as well) is entire families who know nothing else but being in government. they are a ruling class, the exact opposite of what the founders wanted, in fact this was one of their issues with the royals in England.

    look at the clinton daughter (and soon the obama daughters), she is already being honed for power,and at some point when the partying stops so will the bush daughters. the kennedys would have been except for their penchant for drowning women and crashing planes so they have kind of imploded. To be honest it is not healthy anywhere. look at Ireland, or even worse the EU: its a power elite. what is truly scary is the power of the US now and that in the hands of maybe 100 to 200 families...those families control a military the likes that has never been seen on the face of the planet before and something the EU is also trying to centralise also.

    i also find it interesting that the villification of guns is also aligned with the villification of the founders. Washington had wooden teeth, they were slave owners (some were),they were free masons (some were) we have ipads now what could a group of stuffy powered hair white guys know, etc etc. the US constitution is outdated, the abuse of the word 'rights'. the Bill of rights simply states you have the right to LIFE, LIBERTY and PURSUIT of happiness. no where there does it say you have a right to happiness, you have the right to PURSUE it. so if you wanted to sit on your ass and take drugs, go ahead..just dont expect the other citizens to pay for it.

    honestly a great read is the federalist papers and what they were thinking. unfortunately the change was best surmised by the last Bush presidency (and as it happens also supported by President Obama) and his comment on the constitution: its just a piece of paper.

    unfortunately there is a lot of creepy stuff out there people, anyway time to take my ritilin, i will be right back with a whole section on the illumaniti and the bilderbergers...

    no wait, im relaxed now...let me be worried about the kardashians, .....thats terrible isnt it ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,022 ✭✭✭jamesbere


    one of the reasons the Founders of the US wanted ordinary people in Congress/Senate and Presidency was to avoid exactly this, the creation of the equivalent of royal families.

    The way they designed the system, the job in the US govt as a congressman etc was only ever to be temporary and actually quite poorly paid. so the idea is you did it as a kind of a service to your country for a term and then went back to your real life and job. also the government was only supposed to meet for a limited number of days per year (like texas does for example) so they also knew that if the elected members were living continually in one place (e.g. Washington DC) they would get a very weird view of what the people who elected them wanted. it was one of the reasons the senate was originally populated with elected officials from each state, that was to ensure the individual states always had a veto that would ensure the a power elite in Washington could be stalled. that changed with an amendment that allowed them to be elected by the population which IMHO was a serious mistake thereby allowing parties to control both houses. so a common misunderstanding is the US is a democracy, it most emphatically is not (or rather wasnt meant to be), its a republic..there is a big difference. To quote Jefferson : "Democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where 51% of the people may take away the rights of the other 49%."

    The founders also knew that power would always centralise, no matter what they did so the idea was to delay that as long as possible, giving the US people time to fix it. so the design was to have the branches of government with enough power to do something but not enough to steam roller everyone else and to have them all fighting each other for power.

    the final component is the gun laws, now (and with the shooting yesterday) much maligned. the gun law, aka the 2nd amendment, was the final component to as quoted again by Jefferson :'When government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny'. the 2nd amendment has nothing to do with hunting or any other BS you hear, it is a check on power. that of course is lost in the arguments about shootings but i digress. also something quite interesting is the founders were very concerned about centalisation for this reason: Financiers, bankers and industrialists make cities the 'cesspools of corruption', and should be avoided.

    What has happened in the US is the creation (and to be honest here in Ireland as well) is entire families who know nothing else but being in government. they are a ruling class, the exact opposite of what the founders wanted, in fact this was one of their issues with the royals in England.

    look at the clinton daughter (and soon the obama daughters), she is already being honed for power,and at some point when the partying stops so will the bush daughters. the kennedys would have been except for their penchant for drowning women and crashing planes so they have kind of imploded. To be honest it is not healthy anywhere. look at Ireland, or even worse the EU: its a power elite. what is truly scary is the power of the US now and that in the hands of maybe 100 to 200 families...those families control a military the likes that has never been seen on the face of the planet before and something the EU is also trying to centralise also.

    i also find it interesting that the villification of guns is also aligned with the villification of the founders. Washington had wooden teeth, they were slave owners (some were),they were free masons (some were) we have ipads now what could a group of stuffy powered hair white guys know, etc etc. the US constitution is outdated, the abuse of the word 'rights'. the Bill of rights simply states you have the right to LIFE, LIBERTY and PURSUIT of happiness. no where there does it say you have a right to happiness, you have the right to PURSUE it. so if you wanted to sit on your ass and take drugs, go ahead..just dont expect the other citizens to pay for it.

    honestly a great read is the federalist papers and what they were thinking. unfortunately the change was best surmised by the last Bush presidency (and as it happens also supported by President Obama) and his comment on the constitution: its just a piece of paper.

    unfortunately there is a lot of creepy stuff out there people, anyway time to take my ritilin, i will be right back with a whole section on the illumaniti and the bilderbergers...

    no wait, im relaxed now...let me be worried about the kardashians, .....thats terrible isnt it ;)

    Interesting post, I enjoyed reading it.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 426 ✭✭custard gannet


    Before watching him live the other night I thought Trump was a plank. Which honestly says a great deal about how the mainstream media has edited and presented his comments.

    Case in point, I watched it live on Fox News just after midnight the other night. Presumably, Fox is on the side of one of the established Republicans as according to Trump they have given him a rough ride. In the end I switched over to CNN as any time Trump started making a strong point Fox would cut to an ad break. At the start of the conference some idiot from a Latino network stood up and startled shouting questions at trump. Trump told him to wait his turn, as another reporter had the floor, and that he would be more than happy to answer his questions when it was his turn. When the reporter refused to stop shouting, trump had him escorted out, but said that he could return in a few minutes if he agreed to wait his turn.

    Yesterday, all the headlines were telling how trump had thrown out a Latino reporter, without any mention of the reporter's rudeness, no mention of trump telling the reporter he could ask his questions when his turn came around, no mention of how trump said he could return to the conference to ask his questions once he had calmed himself down. Listening to the rest of the speech, being quite honest the only point I would be wary of voting for trump on was his foreign policy. He seemed to suggest that under him, there would be no need for war because the usual rogue states would be too afraid to flex their muscle with him in charge. Whether he himself would be a reactionary war hawk was less clear.

    Aside from that, he was clear, he made a lot of good points, he basically wasn't the novelty joke candidate you would perceive him to be if you only read articles and view edited clips of him. Ireland could really do with a guy like him, he doesn't do PC and because he has no risk of losing his job because of it he can say what he wants. For a republican he has a lot of good points- he hasn't got anyone financing him and he isn't a religious nut- he made some reference to how the bible is the greatest book ever written the other night, but you know it is utter bullshiit. I'd speculate that Trump is likely the same as Obama, a closet atheist who knows that to admit such would be political suicide.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,618 ✭✭✭Mr Freeze


    Sanders all the way. The only politician who sounds like he has the balls to take on the financial sector.

    Which means he hasn't a snowballs chance in hell of becoming president.

    (I agree with you, he is the best option though).


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