The 3 favs for the next US president is crazy. How can 2 families have so much power?

Gerry Rio

According to Paddy Power these are the odds. I didnt even know another Bush was going for the presidency!

Hillary Clinton
evens



Jeb Bush
4/1



Donald Trump
13/2



http://www.paddypower.com/bet/politics/other-politics/us-politics?ev_oc_grp_ids=791149


Jeb aside it looks like we have the token "first woman president" candidate and possibly the second Clinton in the Oval Office. If a Bush gets in that will be one father and two sons that become the most powerful man on earth.

How did these two families end up having so much power and political pull?

ancapailldorcha

If Hilary wins, then 4 out of the last 5 presidents in a country of over 300 million people will have come from 2 families as you've said. Democracy!!

Gerry Rio

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

If Hilary wins, then 4 out of the last 5 presidents will have come from 2 families as you've said. Democracy!!

By that logic if Jeb wins then the same scary statistic applies.

hatrickpatrick

Sanders all the way. The only politician who sounds like he has the balls to take on the financial sector.

nokia69

hillary is finished, she has more chance of going to prison than the white house

Joe Biden and Elizabeth Warren would be a good bet right now

Gerry Rio

nokia69 wrote: »

hillary is finished, she has more chance of going to prison than the white house

Why have Paddy Power got her as the favourite then? Last I checked they were the tightest of all bookies and rarely lose money.

knird evol

Can Charlie Sheen go for it again?

nokia69

Gerry Rio wrote: »

Why have Paddy Power got her as the favourite then? Last I checked they were the tightest of all bookies and rarely lose money.

you will find plenty of times the bookies get it "wrong", if fact they don't even need to be right to make money, that not how the game works

in any case what the bookies say matters little, Hillary has no chance too many people hate her

RichardCeann

The part of me that's divilment driven wants Trump to get in just for the fuckery of it all.

ElvisChrist6

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Sanders all the way. The only politician who sounds like he has the balls to take on the financial sector.

He could be the most important US president in a very long time, but Clinton's money and influence is really taking a toll on his chances. Debates are being scheduled to suit her or around deadlines to register for whatever party for the primaries. Those who are giving large corporate donations to Clinton (Sanders will not even accept corporate funding) play a huge part in her influence as well. One large donator was behind the Black Lives Matter group that sent some impressionable morons to force Sanders off stage at a rally to talk about their issue. The laughable thing is, they were screaming in the faces of old men; one of whom (Sanders, obviously) marched with Martin Luther King during his fight for civil rights. He's climbing steadily and hopefully quick enough. His rally in Iowa (a traditionally red state) broke the record for attendance by packing out the venue for this campaign and he's gaining support everywhere, including many republicans who are now registering Democrat. Would love to see the US elect a socialist, if even just for the hilarity Fox News will provide.

JRant

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Sanders all the way. The only politician who sounds like he has the balls to take on the financial sector.

I like Sanders, and I really hope he gets the nomination ahead of Clinton. She is a wolf dressed in sheeps clothing. She wouldn't look out of place running on the Republican ticket.

Bush seems to be playing the long game and waiting for Trump to dig his own political grave, so to speak.

Both Clinton and Bush are very hawkish.

JRant

ElvisChrist6 wrote: »

He could be the most important US president in a very long time, but Clinton's money and influence is really taking a toll on his chances. Debates are being scheduled to suit her or around deadlines to register for whatever party for the primaries. Those who are giving large corporate donations to Clinton (Sanders will not even accept corporate funding) play a huge part in her influence as well. One large donator was behind the Black Lives Matter group that sent some impressionable morons to force Sanders off stage at a rally to talk about their issue. The laughable thing is, they were screaming in the faces of old men; one of whom (Sanders, obviously) marched with Martin Luther King during his fight for civil rights. He's climbing steadily and hopefully quick enough. His rally in Iowa (a traditionally red state) broke the record for attendance by packing out the venue for this campaign and he's gaining support everywhere, including many republicans who are now registering Democrat. Would love to see the US elect a socialist, if even just for the hilarity Fox News will provide.

The sad thing is his rally in Iowa received very little national coverage.

There will be a huge push against him in the next few weeks. The super lobbyists really really don't want him anywhere near the Oval office.

Gerry Rio

Im sure he;s a lovely man and all but Berbie Sanders is 73 years old. When did a president ever get into office that old? Im sure there's examples but not many.

nokia69

Gerry Rio wrote: »

Im sure he;s a lovely man and all but Berbie Sanders is 73 years old. When did a president ever get into office that old? Im sure there's examples but not many.

he looks younger than monica lewinsky ex boyfriend's wife

its not his age thats against him, its the lack of money and a media that will ignore him

Arytonblue

JRant wrote: »

I like Sanders, and I really hope he gets the nomination ahead of Clinton. She is a wolf dressed in sheeps clothing. She wouldn't look out of place running on the Republican ticket.

Bush seems to be playing the long game and waiting for Trump to dig his own political grave, so to speak.

Both Clinton and Bush are very hawkish.

I like Sanders and agree with a lot of what he says(he's a socialist on the American political spectrum only), but him being nominated by the Democrats would be a death knell for their chances in the general election, people look at Trump as a loon with no chance but I'd wager even he would win against Sanders. We've seen the demonisation and pure hatred thrown at Obama in two elections, and he ran as a slightly left of centre liberal with a lot of buzz words and huge grassroot support and millions of corporate campaign funding from Wall Street. Sanders would get crushed through his refusal of PAC funding alone, the importance of money in US elections cannot be underestimated.

Hilary may not be ideal be she is as close to an electable candidate as the Democrats could get, huge recognition and widespread support. She has a lot of vocal detractors and haters but she beats any of the Republican 'candidates' IMO. The Democrats have tried the uber-liberal, vocal north-eastern trying to take on the establishment before, it almost always ends in tears, they'd be fools to believe the country would elect Sanders.

wakka12

Id vote for bernie sanders, he would do good things for the country.

Clandestine

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Sanders all the way. The only politician who sounds like he has the balls to take on the financial sector.

His economic policies are crackpot crazy. I'd almost like to see him win just to see the fireworks that result

If Clinton wins, then it'll be the only time in American history that two presidents would have had sex with each other.

It's pretty much between her and Sanders. I can't see anyone legitimately voting for Trump or Bush. I'm assuming that the other candidates are just useless to be even listed as possibilities.

The Randy Riverbeast

I like to imagine the episode of the simpsons where homer gets elected to be in charge of waste collection when I think of Trump as president.

I doubt it would be Sanders or Trump, either one would cause a surge in the other direction. Sanders vs Trump would be great to see though, for entertain purposes that is.

Deleted User wrote: »

If Clinton wins, then it'll be the only time in American history that two presidents would have had sex with each other.

That we know of.

The_Valeyard

RichardCeann wrote: »

The part of me that's divilment driven wants Trump to get in just for the fuckery of it all.

Followers by a collective "ah f*ck" from the rest of the world.

custard gannet

Deleted User wrote: »

If Clinton wins, then it'll be the only time in American history that two presidents would have had sex with each other.

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Gerry Rio

Deleted User wrote: »

If Clinton wins, then it'll be the only time in American history that two presidents would have had sex with each other.

Somehow I dont think that likeable rogue Bill had sex with Hilary ever again once he got into office

hatrickpatrick

RichardCeann wrote: »

The part of me that's divilment driven wants Trump to get in just for the fuckery of it all.

I used to be like that about Sarah Palin. It would have been worth the fiery, barren wasteland a post-Palin world would undoubtedly have been left in (scientists thousands of years in the future studying what caused the last advanced civilisation before their own to collapse would undoubtedly have been known as "Palintologists") just for the sheer, unadulterated comedy of eight years of laughing at Tina Fey's Palin impressions, then laughing even more hysterically upon discovering the actual Palin quotes she was parodying, which were invariably even less coherent.

hatrickpatrick

Arytonblue wrote: »

I like Sanders and agree with a lot of what he says(he's a socialist on the American political spectrum only), but him being nominated by the Democrats would be a death knell for their chances in the general election, people look at Trump as a loon with no chance but I'd wager even he would win against Sanders. We've seen the demonisation and pure hatred thrown at Obama in two elections, and he ran as a slightly left of centre liberal with a lot of buzz words and huge grassroot support and millions of corporate campaign funding from Wall Street. Sanders would get crushed through his refusal of PAC funding alone, the importance of money in US elections cannot be underestimated.

And yet despite the anti-Obama vitriol, he still got re-elected against Mitt Romney. And Clinton is about as neo-con as candidates get - her stance on internet freedom alone makes many young peoples' skin crawl, she's like a scarier version of our very own Ms Healy Eames.

I think the email scandal has really, really damaged clinton - more than most pundits, and certainly more than Clinton's campaign people, are acknowledging. For her to rant on about how it's ok for the NSA to read a million people's private emails if it means capturing one terrorist who probably could have been caught by other means, and then actually break the law in pursuance of her own corporate privacy is the utter height of hypocrisy, and many Americans, even those who were die hard Clintonists a year or two ago, are extremely pissed about that.

Any more similar f*ck ups and she's a goner. That's my optimistic outlook anyway.

DEFTLEFTHAND

I was listening to Republican Carly Fiorina recently on Crowder and thought she came across very well, doesn't have a hope of getting the nomination though.

I'd say the GOP can will be Jeb Bush. Trump will cause mayhem for them if he ends up running as an Independent because he'll split their vote.

keeponhurling

Gerry Rio wrote: »

Im sure he;s a lovely man and all but Berbie Sanders is 73 years old. When did a president ever get into office that old? Im sure there's examples but not many.

Michael D Higgins ?

Jimoslimos

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

I was listening to Republican Carly Fiorina recently on Crowder and thought she came across very well, doesn't have a hope of getting the nomination though.

I'd say the GOP can will be Jeb Bush. Trump will cause mayhem for them if he ends up running as an Independent because he'll split their vote.

Trump won't run as independent, especially if Hillary wins the Dem nomination. If there's one thing that unites Republicans it's a hatred for Hillary.

However he will have leverage and influence on any incoming Republican administration - not a good thing.

DEFTLEFTHAND

Jimoslimos wrote: »

Trump won't run as independent, especially if Hillary wins the Dem nomination. If there's one thing that unites Republicans it's a hatred for Hillary.

However he will have leverage and influence on any incoming Republican administration - not a good thing.

He has been making mutterings recently that he might. There was talk of him signing a pledge not to run if he doesn't get the Republican nomination but you get the impression that he'd screw them over in a heartbeat if he feels there's a genuine chance he could win as an Independent. The guys ego is bigger than any party.

Arytonblue

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

And yet despite the anti-Obama vitriol, he still got re-elected against Mitt Romney. And Clinton is about as neo-con as candidates get - her stance on internet freedom alone makes many young peoples' skin crawl, she's like a scarier version of our very own Ms Healy Eames.

I think the email scandal has really, really damaged clinton - more than most pundits, and certainly more than Clinton's campaign people, are acknowledging. For her to rant on about how it's ok for the NSA to read a million people's private emails if it means capturing one terrorist who probably could have been caught by other means, and then actually break the law in pursuance of her own corporate privacy is the utter height of hypocrisy, and many Americans, even those who were die hard Clintonists a year or two ago, are extremely pissed about that.

Any more similar f*ck ups and she's a goner. That's my optimistic outlook anyway.

Oh I'd agree, I don't like her as a candidate really, and the entire email thing is just so amateurish in how it's been handled, but even Obama can be considered a neo-con at this stage for many of his actions in foreign policy, along with his drug and privacy policies, I've just accepted them as standards for most of the middle of the road Democrats. I was just addressing this huge upsurge in support for Sanders in the worry that he could actually be nominated, which would just be so typical of the Democrats (perennial losers) in a year with such a weak Republican field to nominate someone who is by definition, unelectable. I'd imagine the email thing will blow over and won't exactly be something for Republicans to use against her next year, seeing as they probably agree with her on it.

Sanders is a better candidate, but I'd still have Clinton over any of that other crowd. I'd also say that for all the people who complain about how 'disappointing' Obama has been, I'd say he'll be looked back on quite fondly in a few years time, similarly to Slick Willy, who was often derided when in office for being a buffoon/sex fiend.

Alexis Sanchez

ElvisChrist6 wrote: »

Would love to see the US elect a socialist, if even just for the hilarity Fox News will provide.

Sanders is not a socialist, he's a democratic socialist. Fox News will still call him a Marxist, though.

A self-described democratic socialist,[4][5][6][7] he favors policies similar to those of social democratic parties in Europe, particularly those instituted by the Nordic countries

Paul Murphy TD is an example of a socialist. He favours Cuba's system.

I, too, would love to see Sanders get in, America need to move toward the left to have a better welfare system, healthcare system and more importantly, gun control. Sanders is also against mass immigration because large corporations just use them fro cheap labour which i sbad for the economy.

myshirt

The most powerful person on the earth is not the President of the USA; it's a Russian man.

I know it's a rudimentary analysis but I'm gonna make the point nevertheless, now now that they have improved Chinese relations, they have and will show their might.

JRant

myshirt wrote: »

The most powerful person on the earth is not the President of the USA; it's a Russian man.

I know it's a rudimentary analysis but I'm gonna make the point nevertheless, now now that they have improved Chinese relations, they have and will show their might.

Not too sure if you're being serious but the USA are far and away the biggest player on both the World economic and military stages.

EuropeanSon

JRant wrote: »

Not too sure if you're being serious but the USA are far and away the biggest player on both the World economic and military stages.

And Russia are a very small fry compared to China. Essentially a jumped up petro state with delusions of grandeur left over from the Soviet Union, who will suffer enormously in the years to come with $40 oil.

Certainly the US is the world's greatest power, but the checks and balances on their President makes me think that he probably has slightly less actual power than Xi.

JRant

EuropeanSon wrote: »

And Russia are a very small fry compared to China. Essentially a jumped up petro state with delusions of grandeur left over from the Soviet Union, who will suffer enormously in the years to come with $40 oil.

Certainly the US is the world's greatest power, but the checks and balances on their President makes me think that he probably has slightly less actual power than Xi.

Can't disagree with any of that.

Gerry Rio

myshirt wrote: »

The most powerful person on the earth is not the President of the USA; it's a Russian man.

The days of Russia being a Superpower are long gone.

Is Jeb Bush the same one that was Governor of Florida? Weren't there a lot of scandals during his tenure?

Menas

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

I was listening to Republican Carly Fiorina recently on Crowder and thought she came across very well, doesn't have a hope of getting the nomination though.

I'd say the GOP can will be Jeb Bush. Trump will cause mayhem for them if he ends up running as an Independent because he'll split their vote.

I think she is the best candidate too...but not a hope of getting the nomination.

Trump is a clown, but a populist one. If he does not get the nomination and goes independent then Artillery Hillary is a shoe in.

NachoBusiness

Once the 'It's the right time for a female President of the US of A' campaign kicks into high gear (and it will) Clinton will walk it, as she has no real competition to offset that particular tidal wave of bs.

Close to 6/4 can be had on the exchanges. Cracking price.

BoJack Horseman

NachoBusiness wrote: »

Once the 'It's the right time for a female President of the US of A' campaign kicks into high gear (and it will) Clinton will walk it, as she has no real competition to offset that particular tidal wave of bs

Meh...... A huge amount of people think she's a gee-bag.

She's not a dead cert yet.

nokia69

Menas wrote: »

I think she is the best candidate too...but not a hope of getting the nomination.

Trump is a clown, but a populist one. If he does not get the nomination and goes independent then Artillery Hillary is a shoe in.

Fiorina is a total idiot, she almost killed HP god only knows what kind of damage she would do from the white house

I'm amazed that people still think monica lewinsky's boyfriend's ex wife has any kind of chance, most of her own party hate her and that includes Obama, it doesn't seem to get reported much over here but Hillary may well end up doing time for her E-mail stupidity

I'm not too sure - America seems to be entering a time where they're very anti-rich people, so Sanders would be the kind of person to stare them down. To me, it does seem to be between those two. Trump seems like a joke candidate. I can't fathom why people are taking him seriously.

kupus

Gerry Rio wrote: »

The days of Russia being a Superpower are long gone.

Don't tell that to the Russians or you'll end up in Siberia before the cows come home..

God damn capitalist cattle

BoJack Horseman

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Trump seems like a joke candidate. I can't fathom why people are taking him seriously.

I don't think they are taking him seriously.

After the primaries start, I can see his campaign fizzling out.

kenco

Deleted User wrote: »

Is Jeb Bush the same one that was Governor of Florida? Weren't there a lot of scandals during his tenure?

yes but as far as 2000 went the Supreme Court said everything was 'grand'....

That said Jeb (despite his family) is probably the sanest of the GOP wannabes to date. Far from perfect he would be the best bet of the lot for taking on and beating Hillary (that said Walker could win if he keeps his cool).

Clinton will lose to any reasonable candidate. The US voters in a general election wont vote for her in enough conviction (different in the Primaries). I reckon bar a scandal (?) she will walk the Dem convention but thats iffy at best. Biden as a backup? Not convinced....Dems have a big problem if Hillary drops out.

As for Trump....Hillary praying he gets the GOP nod! Never going to happen (reminds me of Pat Buchanan) but hes got them talkin' which cant be bad.

Still feel Jeb will take the oath but wouldnt stake the farm on it...

nokia69

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

I don't think they are taking him seriously.

After the primaries start, I can see his campaign fizzling out.

there taking him seriously now, they have to, he is beating them all in the polls

he has a real chance, I should have backed him when he was a 50/1 shot :mad:

How much does the Hispanic/Latino vote count, I wonder? I would assume it's safe to say that Trump has lost the majority of these, though doesn't he still believe that they love him?

nokia69

Deleted User wrote: »

How much does the Hispanic/Latino vote count, I wonder? I would assume it's safe to say that Trump has lost the majority of these, though doesn't he still believe that they love him?

it matters little in the GOP race

in theory its possible for him to win without them, by being anti immigration he could take some of the black and working class votes that usually vote dems

Gerry Rio

NachoBusiness wrote: »

Close to 6/4 can be had on the exchanges. Cracking price.

English please?

ThinkProgress

Good old land of the brave & free... with their political family dynasties (modern equivalent of monarchy/royalty) allied with that two party dictatorship they call democracy! lol

nokia69

ThinkProgress wrote: »

Good old land of the brave & free... with their political family dynasties (modern equivalent of monarchy/royalty) allied with that two party dictatorship they call democracy! lol

I bet they wish they were like us

just how great would the US be if they had Fianna Gaelbour running the place

Menas

nokia69 wrote: »

Fiorina is a total idiot, she almost killed HP god only knows what kind of damage she would do from the white house

I'm amazed that people still think monica lewinsky's boyfriend's ex wife has any kind of chance, most of her own party hate her and that includes Obama, it doesn't seem to get reported much over here but Hillary may well end up doing time for her E-mail stupidity

Anybody who earn a personal salary of $100million in 6 years is not an idiot!
She more than doubled HP income from 40 to 90 billion per year making it the 10th largest company in the US at the time.
They averaged 11 patents per day under her reign, more than at any time in their history and triple what it was when she joined. But shareholder value was decreased whilst profit margin was 7.6% in the year of her departure. That is $7 billion profit!
Hardly 'killing' the company.