Ireland Team Talk/Gossip/Rumour Thread IV

clsmooth · 25-08-2015 11:13AM

smiley_face wrote: »

I could see it with Healy, but not with both Healy and Moore.
I hope Healy can recover, in which case it could be
LH: Healy, McGrath, Kilcoyne
TH: Ross, White, Bent

Who would lose out if you added Moore into the fold above? Bent?

I reckon Bent. But if Kilcoyne wasn't traveling, probably White

Yeah_Right · 25-08-2015 11:18AM

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Perhaps France are the "home" team for that fixture..

I assume that they have to make that distinction for each game in terms of who gets the home dressing room , who has to change shirts if there's a clash etc.
.

Yeah it's definitely to do with the seedlings when the draw was done.

Jersey clashes are decided by a coin toss at RWCs.

I wonder if England get the home dressing home at Twickenham throughout the RWC no matter who they play.

smiley_face · 25-08-2015 11:34AM

clsmooth wrote: »

I reckon Bent. But if Kilcoyne wasn't traveling, probably White

I'd agree with that,
Though if Moore and Healy both go, and we opt for 5 props,
Then either Healy or Moore would have to bench against Canada, so I'm guessing Moore is closer to full fitness so all he'd have to do is be ready for 19th Sept which is 3 and a half weeks away, and plenty of time, assuming he's still ahead of White for selection.
Healy could take until the Italy or France match, which would give him til 4th and 11th Oct respectively, which is 6 to 7 weeks, which is a very long time I think. If Healy's doctors are happy that he can recover in that time then it could be worth taking him instead of a 3rd SH.

connachta · 25-08-2015 11:37AM

.ak wrote: »

I was thinking that myself actually.

agree
I know it's heavily risky, but I prefer to try the 2 SH strategy to have Healy, who could make a huge difference in October

total former · 25-08-2015 01:02PM

So Trimble trained today, Moore did not, neither did Bent. Healy took some limited part.

Tadhg Furlong trained too, maybe he's coming back to fitness but probably too late.

Rob Herring is back training too, for some reason.

So no mass cull of the squad yet anyway.

smiley_face · 25-08-2015 01:19PM

IRFU website: Paul O'Connell is set to play his final home match for Ireland at the Aviva Stadium this Saturday.

flangemeistro · 25-08-2015 01:26PM

smiley_face wrote: »

IRFU website: Paul O'Connell is set to play his final home match for Ireland at the Aviva Stadium this Saturday.

Was there ever any doubt?

connachta · 25-08-2015 01:30PM

total former wrote: »

So Trimble trained today, Moore did not, neither did Bent. Healy took some limited part.

Tadhg Furlong trained too, maybe he's coming back to fitness but probably too late.

Rob Herring is back training too, for some reason.

So no mass cull of the squad yet anyway.

Great news for Healy

Ps No White?

b.gud · 25-08-2015 01:38PM

connachta wrote: »

Great news for Healy

Ps No White?

He was there

total former · 25-08-2015 01:38PM

smiley_face wrote: »

IRFU website: Please buy some tickets for the game on Saturday.

FYP

vienne86 · 25-08-2015 02:15PM

total former wrote: »

So Trimble trained today, Moore did not, neither did Bent. Healy took some limited part.

Tadhg Furlong trained too, maybe he's coming back to fitness but probably too late.

Rob Herring is back training too, for some reason.

So no mass cull of the squad yet anyway.

Good to hear Trimble is back in harness.

25-08-2015 02:38PM

vienne86 wrote: »

Good to hear Trimble is back in harness.

Jesus. what are these lads into these days.

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Synode · 25-08-2015 02:41PM

total former wrote: »

FYP

It was ridiculous seeing so many empty seats last week. Someone should get a good kick up the arsé for the price of the tickets

molloyjh · 25-08-2015 02:44PM

Moore still in the moon boot so that doesn't look good.

Healy obviously still doing rehab as well. I'm assuming that means that either there is still hope or they think he might be ready mid-tournament and they want him set in case of injury.

.ak · 25-08-2015 02:45PM

Yea doesn't look great does it...

25-08-2015 02:50PM

.ak wrote: »

Yea doesn't look great does it...

Well two things.

Moore is going to stay in the boot a bit longer than he needs to, to make sure that whatever is going on get's sorted. My major concern is that after a few weeks of no ground and pound cardio he is going to struggle to have the legs for 60 minutes of rugby.

That said, given his older injury was shoulder he most likely had built up good fitness otherwise.

Still though - he's been a crock for months, going to be hard to be ready for a RWC.

As for Healy, they wouldn't be putting time and effort into his rehab if they didn't feel he had a good shout at making the tournament. If there was no pic of Healy and Kiss was working 1:1 with Kilcoyne I'd be concerned.

connachta · 25-08-2015 02:51PM

.ak wrote: »

Yea doesn't look great does it...

Mid-tournament for Healy is all I ask for, others can do the job until France, including Italy if he needs it to recover fully

TICKLE_ME_ELMO · 25-08-2015 02:54PM

Trimble trained today and is expected to be fit for selection for the Wales match.

Wang King · 25-08-2015 02:59PM

Buer wrote: »

So, in conclusion, I haven't a clue.

No change there then!

molloyjh · 25-08-2015 03:04PM

connachta wrote: »

Mid-tournament for Healy is all I ask for, others can do the job until France, including Italy if he needs it to recover fully

For him to come in mid-tournament we would need an injury to happen. We can't just bring him in whenever we choose to.

total former · 25-08-2015 03:06PM

molloyjh wrote: »

For him to come in mid-tournament we would need an injury to happen. We can't just bring him in whenever we choose to.

Think he means to name Healy regardless and muddle through the first games with McGrath and Bent.

.ak · 25-08-2015 03:06PM

If I was told he could be fit for the France game or at worse the quarters then I'd be happy enough with 01. McGrath / 17. Bent for the pool games.

Presumably if he doesn't pull through we could dump him as an injury? Bring in Killers then?

molloyjh · 25-08-2015 03:09PM

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

Trimble trained today and is expected to be fit for selection for the Wales match.

I'd like to see Dave Kearney get a run out against Wales. He looked sharp when he came on against Scotland and talk is that he's been doing well in training. I'd also like to see Fitz get some time. He was only back in contact training a couple of days before the Scotland game so was never going to be 100% and I really think he showed last season that he's more than worth the place.

So from that perspective I'd really like to see Dave and Trimble start with Fitz on the bench. But Trimbles limited game time over the last 10 months and this latest injury for me cast a bit of doubt over whether he should go to the RWC. I'm a fan and on form he'd be a definite, but all we've seen from him really has been a good 30 minutes against a very poor Welsh side.

Quin_Dub · 25-08-2015 03:09PM

total former wrote: »

Think he means to name Healy regardless and muddle through the first games with McGrath and Bent.

Exactly...

And as others have said, this might be what is driving the discussion around only having 2 Scrum-halves...

2 S/H's and 6 props to start with and if Healy doesn't make it then he gets replaced in the squad with another scrum-half...

Adding him to the squad buys you another 3 or 4 weeks recovery as the squad has to be in before August 31st I think..

thomond2006 · 25-08-2015 03:12PM

molloyjh wrote: »

I'd like to see Dave Kearney get a run out against Wales. He looked sharp when he came on against Scotland and talk is that he's been doing well in training. I'd also like to see Fitz get some time. He was only back in contact training a couple of days before the Scotland game so was never going to be 100% and I really think he showed last season that he's more than worth the place.

So from that perspective I'd really like to see Dave and Trimble start with Fitz on the bench. But Trimbles limited game time over the last 10 months and this latest injury for me cast a bit of doubt over whether he should go to the RWC. I'm a fan and on form he'd be a definite, but all we've seen from him really has been a good 30 minutes against a very poor Welsh side.

Trimble's credit in the bank means he'll surely get a start if fit. Dave Kearney also deserves a go but then there's Keet to consider. Will he get a run on the wing against Wales or England but or is he exclusively a centre? Presumably Henshaw and Payne will start together on Saturday but I'd love to see Keet at 13 to give him an opportunity with the nailed down 9-10-12 combination. I imagine the lineup for England will be the first XV minus at most three players given an opportunity to break into the first XV.

molloyjh · 25-08-2015 03:12PM

total former wrote: »

Think he means to name Healy regardless and muddle through the first games with McGrath and Bent.

.ak wrote: »

If I was told he could be fit for the France game or at worse the quarters then I'd be happy enough with 01. McGrath / 17. Bent for the pool games.

Presumably if he doesn't pull through we could dump him as an injury? Bring in Killers then?

All that looks and sounds good until we get an injury though. If McGrath picks up a slight knock in the first 1 or 2 (which keeps him out for a couple of weeks only) and Healy isn't fit do you send Healy or McGrath home?

Will Healy be good enough the moment he comes back from injury then as well? Or will he need a few weeks to build back up to his best?

molloyjh · 25-08-2015 03:14PM

thomond2006 wrote: »

Trimble's credit in the bank means he'll surely get a start if fit. Kearney also deserves a go but then there's Keet to consider. Presumably Henshaw and Payne will play together but I'd love to see Keet at 13 to give him an opportunity with the nailed down 9-10-12 combination.

That's not going to happen I'm afraid. I reckon the first choice XV is decided on, with possibly the wings as the slight exception (due to injuries etc). Earls is back-up 13 and will play in the opening 2 there but I reckon that's about it failing injury to Payne.

total former · 25-08-2015 03:18PM

molloyjh wrote: »

All that looks and sounds good until we get an injury though. If McGrath picks up a slight knock in the first 1 or 2 (which keeps him out for a couple of weeks only) and Healy isn't fit do you send Healy or McGrath home?

Will Healy be good enough the moment he comes back from injury then as well? Or will he need a few weeks to build back up to his best?

Whatever you do is a risk. Bringing six props is a risk. Leaving Healy out is a massive risk. All you can do is take your best guess at what the lowest risk is.

Healy has to travel, Bent is more than good enough for Canada and Romania, so that's what I'd do.

Agree with your second paragraph.

.ak · 25-08-2015 03:18PM

molloyjh wrote: »

All that looks and sounds good until we get an injury though. If McGrath picks up a slight knock in the first 1 or 2 (which keeps him out for a couple of weeks only) and Healy isn't fit do you send Healy or McGrath home?

Will Healy be good enough the moment he comes back from injury then as well? Or will he need a few weeks to build back up to his best?

Yeah. It'd be a risk. Obviously you'd send McGrath home though and take in Killers.

aimee1 · 25-08-2015 03:19PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Jesus. what are these lads into these days.

Explains one or two of the injuries.

Ireland Team Talk/Gossip/Rumour Thread IV

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