Motors Chat - Round 9

dr.fuzzenstein · 21-08-2015 03:40PM

Special Circumstances wrote: »

Did he get 7up poured on him there at the end?
Is this the origin of flat 7up as a cure all or was it already widely known internationally for its regenerative properties?

Probably water in a 7 up bottle, you'd be fair sticky having that sh*t poured over yourself.

jimgoose · 21-08-2015 03:42PM

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

From the time F1 was still F1 and not just girlies prancing around in Priuses...

That's exactly what I'm talking about. He'll be more careful with that fcukan rattlegun in future, I'll warrant!

Chris_Heilong · 21-08-2015 05:28PM

nice day for an oil change:)

beertons · 21-08-2015 06:02PM

Marty McFly wrote: »

Cheers for the offer really appreciate it. Not sure yet I'm hopeful he will find and fix the problem tomorrow fingers crossed.

I've a free gaff all weekend, so ya can have it till Sunday eve if ya like. Beer bought, food cooked till Monday, I ain't driving anywhere.

timaru89 · 21-08-2015 06:04PM

5c off per litre in Apple Green for anyone using 3plus app

21-08-2015 06:10PM

CIP4 wrote: »

Honestly spending 10k on a car privately with no mechanic and yourself having limited enough mechanical knowledge (no offence but you know what I mean) is just plain asking for trouble. I wouldn't buy a 1.6 psa diesel full stop end of story regardless of whether it's 90 bhp or 110bhp but that would be my view its your money but I mean they can get very expensive very fast if stuff goes wrong. Anyway it's your choice I'm not going to go on about it but don't say you weren't warned.

Ah, no, I would never buy privately without a mechanic. What i was referring to above (lack of a mechanic) was buying from a Dealer. I was just saying that regardless (of whether it was a dealer or not) I'd like to get it checked by a mechanic.

I went out to Drimnagh Motors today and had a look at their C5. I know it's a relatively newish car (2011) but it looked like it had had a tougher life than my 14 year old Focus. Plastic on the upper brake light cracked, very bad scratching surrounding both the driver side door handles, bad stone chips (completely break the paint off altogether kinda bad - looked like someone was shooting it with a pellet gun for the craic) all over the front and sides of it. Inside drivers door rubber coating was peeling and looked 'nibbled' at. Same for the centre console. Steering wheel was badly faded in parts.

Took it for a 2 minute spin and it seemed to be driving okay. I was hoping to sway myself but I couldn't convince myself past the cosmetics. It just seemed too grubby and worn in comparison to the private one I looked at.

So I got in touch with the private seller again. He said he's away off to Lithuania until Sunday. We agreed a price (€10,100) and I said I'd organise a mechanic for Monday. I told him that I'd only buy it with a perfectly clean slate from a mechanic, and he said that was grand.

Had a mechanic in mind (Justin from JDM in Swords. Looked over the Focus for me and was fantastic to deal with) but unfortunately he's off on holiday next week from talking to him.

Can anyone recommend a mechanic in and around the Coolock area? I don't mind travelling a few minutes here or there, but nothing too excessive, preferably.

I rang Atlas Auto Service in Coolock. They said they charge €65, but it sounds like their service is a bit lackluster. "Throw it onto a ramp for a quick look" was the impression I got. No mention of any diagnostics check either, so I'll use them, but only if I can't get someone a bit more thorough or offering better value for money.

Yer man from JDM charged €30 or €35, I think, and he gave it a good thorough look over and a test drive (spent about an hour at the car. I threw him a few euro more, as the was so thorough, so I was keen to use him again).

ShaunieVW · 21-08-2015 06:12PM

Something has caught my eye, anyone for an a3 1.8t with massive history?!

Marty McFly · 21-08-2015 06:17PM

beertons wrote: »

I've a free gaff all weekend, so ya can have it till Sunday eve if ya like. Beer bought, food cooked till Monday, I ain't driving anywhere.

Sounds like a perfect weekend

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166man · 21-08-2015 06:20PM

Have you a link to the car KKv?

21-08-2015 06:25PM

166man wrote: »

Have you a link to the car KKv?

The one I looked at (didn't like):

http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/citroen-c5-vtr-nav-hdi/10014941?offset=5

The one I want:

http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/citroen-c5-sat-nav/9241396?offset=6

21-08-2015 06:28PM

I'm still not grasping why one has higher tax than the other.

166man · 21-08-2015 06:30PM

Deleted User wrote: »

The one I looked at (didn't like):

http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/citroen-c5-vtr-nav-hdi/10014941?offset=5

The one I want:

http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/citroen-c5-sat-nav/9241396?offset=6

As CIP4 has said, I really wouldn't go near something with that engine. They are so fragile and really require very consistent maintenance. You'd want to see proper evidence of that. Also the cynic in me looks at the miles and thinks it could be higher.

I also wouldn't spend that much on a private sale with absolutely no comeback, but that's just me. Somehow I feel this will fall on deaf ears and you will go straight ahead and buy it anyway though......

21-08-2015 06:46PM

166man wrote: »

As CIP4 has said, I really wouldn't go near something with that engine. They are so fragile and really require very consistent maintenance. You'd want to see proper evidence of that. Also the cynic in me looks at the miles and thinks it could be higher.

I also wouldn't spend that much on a private sale with absolutely no comeback, but that's just me. Somehow I feel this will fall on deaf ears and you will go straight ahead and buy it anyway though......

Ah, no, regardless of what I buy, I'm still happy to listen to opinions. I've been warned of the 1.6 engine but at the same time, you're not exactly spoiled for choice. 2ltrs seem a little rare about the place (tax higher, i presume, so no one went for them?).

The car will be exceptionally well minded in my ownership (last car I really liked, the Rav4, got 3 services in the year I owned it, just so I could find issues if they were to arise, as quickly as possible to not allow them to worsen).

It will be babied by me. I believe it has a service history with it, though, and if the timing belt is just done I'm sure he has a receipt from a reputable garage for that work, too.

Spending this much on a private sale is neither here nor there, really. Unless it's a main/branded dealer that's selling me a car I wouldn't put any heed in their warranty anyway (I know of too many people that got ignored over issues) so my best step forward really is just getting it looked at by a mechanic thoroughly before purchasing, I think. If I wanted to buy the same car off a main dealer, I reckon the difference in cost would be significant and, if i did run into trouble buying the car privately (a few issues arose) would probably just about balance things out anyway.

My mechanic is good friends with a chap in a Peugeot dealer here and he helped out a fair bit with the 407, so hopefully if any issues do arise I'll be able to get them looked at without any major over the top costs.

From googling online a few people say the 1.6 engine is great. Can I ask what it is in particular that would be a concern with it? Aside from servicing regularly (and before it's due), is it known to give any specific troubles? Seems to be lively enough when driving it (nothing special, but tastier than my 1.6 petrol focus, anyway!).

frozenfrozen · 21-08-2015 06:56PM

I believe they're known to rattle themselves to bits before killing you slowly

Stheno · 21-08-2015 07:01PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Ah, no, regardless of what I buy, I'm still happy to listen to opinions. I've been warned of the 1.6 engine but at the same time, you're not exactly spoiled for choice. 2ltrs seem a little rare about the place (tax higher, i presume, so no one went for them?).

The car will be exceptionally well minded in my ownership (last car I really liked, the Rav4, got 3 services in the year I owned it, just so I could find issues if they were to arise, as quickly as possible to not allow them to worsen).

It will be babied by me. I believe it has a service history with it, though, and if the timing belt is just done I'm sure he has a receipt from a reputable garage for that work, too.

Spending this much on a private sale is neither here nor there, really. Unless it's a main/branded dealer that's selling me a car I wouldn't put any heed in their warranty anyway (I know of too many people that got ignored over issues) so my best step forward really is just getting it looked at by a mechanic thoroughly before purchasing, I think. If I wanted to buy the same car off a main dealer, I reckon the difference in cost would be significant and, if i did run into trouble buying the car privately (a few issues arose) would probably just about balance things out anyway.

My mechanic is good friends with a chap in a Peugeot dealer here and he helped out a fair bit with the 407, so hopefully if any issues do arise I'll be able to get them looked at without any major over the top costs.

From googling online a few people say the 1.6 engine is great. Can I ask what it is in particular that would be a concern with it? Aside from servicing regularly (and before it's due), is it known to give any specific troubles? Seems to be lively enough when driving it (nothing special, but tastier than my 1.6 petrol focus, anyway!).

Have you done a motorcheck on it?

Mycroft H · 21-08-2015 07:12PM

166man wrote: »

As CIP4 has said, I really wouldn't go near something with that engine. They are so fragile and really require very consistent maintenance. You'd want to see proper evidence of that. Also the cynic in me looks at the miles and thinks it could be higher.

I also wouldn't spend that much on a private sale with absolutely no comeback, but that's just me. Somehow I feel this will fall on deaf ears and you will go straight ahead and buy it anyway though......

So fragile? At least they don't have a timing belt that has to be done every 36k.

They're not fragile. They're fitted to many many cars and vans with many giving reliable service. Our own has 305,000km on the clock. Serviced regurally and still starts on the button.

It's not really tolerant of the poor Irish mentaility of service it when it fails the NCT but if looked after are a reliable economical engine and far away from being fragile.

Noccy_Mondy · 21-08-2015 07:28PM

Deleted User wrote:

Spending this much on a private sale is neither here nor there, really. Unless it's a main/branded dealer that's selling me a car I wouldn't put any heed in their warranty anyway (I know of too many people that got ignored over issues) so my best step forward really is just getting it looked at by a mechanic thoroughly before purchasing, I think. If I wanted to buy the same car off a main dealer, I reckon the difference in cost would be significant and, if i did run into trouble buying the car privately (a few issues arose) would probably just about balance things out anyway.

No no no no no no no. Spending 10k on a private sale is stupid in my book. I'd struggle to spend 5 privately. If you do your research on the dealer before you buy (ie staying away from all them dodgy looking ones in the scummy parts of Dublin) then you should be fairly safe with them honouring their warranty. 9 times out of 10 you only need to look at a garages 1. Appearance and 2. Stock they are selling (presentation etc) to give you an idea of what sort of crowd they are. Most of them are genuine.

The reason why you hear so many horror stories around here is because people want advice as in what to do. You're not going to get people coming on here saying "the dealer treated me well" because 1. People wouldn't go to the bother of praising a place and 2. They'd only be accused of shilling.
Positive dealer experiences far far outweigh the negatives.

Foxhole Norman · 21-08-2015 07:37PM

With regards the 1.6 PSA, we had one as a company car and racked up over 180k kilometers over my dad's ownership of 3 years, always serviced, got what it need on time. This was in a 2006 407. This car is now in my Cousin's ownership since 2009 and has been faultless. Can't ask for more tbh. If you get a 1.6 with a history it's a safe enough bet IMO.

frozenfrozen · 21-08-2015 07:52PM

anything that hasn't been looked after will be a nightmare. why not go down the pcp route :pac:

CIP4 · 21-08-2015 07:57PM

Infairness the 1.6hdi psa can be a very reliable engine when minded from new like a baby and serviced every 15k km problem is most have 20k km service intervals which means they are serviced every 25k km by most people. A 1.6 vag, 1.6 Hyundai, 1.5 Renault engine can all handle these longer interval the psa one by its nature just can't. So if this one was serviced perfectly every 15k km with correct oil is as dry as a bone engine wise isn't smokey at all then maybe chance it but I don't see the point in chancing it if you could buy something that will most likely be more reliable. They are just such an oily bastard of an engine I've genuinely never seen a properly dry one with zero oil anywhere then I've seen a few literally drowned in oil. I can list what went wrong with mine but people are sick of hearing about that focus. But it ultimately cost me 2k to keep it for year and still wasn't perfect that's purely maintenance cost not depreciation or anything like that.

challengemaster · 21-08-2015 08:12PM

Noccy_Mondy wrote: »

No no no no no no no. Spending 10k on a private sale is stupid in my book.

You're going to limit yourself to some serious buckets of shíte over your lifetime if you stick to that rule forever.

MM's 6 MPS and 335i were both private sales (by him, obvs) and I doubt there was cleaner examples of either car in the country.

The only way to avoid getting a real lemon is do your homework and know what you should be looking out for when inspecting the car. Buying from a dealer doesn't mean you're not getting a crap car.

pred racer · 21-08-2015 08:34PM

challengemaster wrote: »

You're going to limit yourself to some serious buckets of shíte over your lifetime if you stick to that rule forever.

MM's 6 MPS and 335i were both private sales (by him, obvs) and I doubt there was cleaner examples of either car in the country.

The only way to avoid getting a real lemon is do your homework and know what you should be looking out for when inspecting the car. Buying from a dealer doesn't mean you're not getting a crap car.

Is the 335i gone :eek:
What bucket of bolts did he get to replace it?
please tell me it's a daysul........

colm_mcm · 21-08-2015 08:35PM

Fiesta 1.25 AFAIK

21-08-2015 08:42PM

Stheno wrote: »

Have you done a motorcheck on it?

To be honest; I'm not entirely sure I know when a Motorcheck becomes a sensible thing to do.

I've never used it before, because all my cars were over 10 years old and the only thing Motorcheck seemed viable for was finding out if there was finance owed on a car.

This is obviously a lot newer than previous cars, but old enough that I don't think it would still be under it's finance lifespan.

Other than that, I'm not 100% sure what I could learn from a Motorcheck. If the car was previously crashed, for example, then I'm confident a mechanic would pick up on that fairly swiftly, from his inspection?

Noccy_Mondy · 21-08-2015 08:46PM

challengemaster wrote:

You're going to limit yourself to some serious buckets of shÃte over your lifetime if you stick to that rule forever.

Look people differ, not everyone is in the same boat with regards to how they buy. I just find that spending all that amount of money with absolutely no come back is a step too far. Believe me, I'm well aware that dealers can sell crap too, and one has to be able to tell that before any sale goes through.
I know that you can get more bang for your buck privately, but I'd rather play it safe

Stheno · 21-08-2015 08:48PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

To be honest; I'm not entirely sure I know when a Motorcheck becomes a sensible thing to do.

I've never used it before, because all my cars were over 10 years old and the only thing Motorcheck seemed viable for was finding out if there was finance owed on a car.

This is obviously a lot newer than previous cars, but old enough that I don't think it would still be under it's finance lifespan.

Other than that, I'm not 100% sure what I could learn from a Motorcheck. If the car was previously crashed, for example, then I'm confident a mechanic would pick up on that fairly swiftly, from his inspection?

Eh use a motorcheck to confirm what the seller has claimed at least in terms of mileage nct etc

Same for finance

If it's been written off thy will be there, it costs about 15 euro

CIP4 · 21-08-2015 08:53PM

I broke my personnel record today for most amount of flashes of hazards under Hard brakeing my record was too flashes as you know it only flashes under very hard deceleration ie standing on the brakes. Today I got 8 flashes :eek: which was basically going from 100kmh to stop as quickly as I could. Great car to stop infairness.

21-08-2015 08:53PM

Stheno wrote: »

Eh use a motorcheck to confirm what the seller has claimed at least in terms of mileage nct etc

Same for finance

If it's been written off thy will be there, it costs about 15 euro

Well I've €25 in my bank account at the moment, and a full check is €35, so I'll see how I feel if I throw a few Euro in on Monday (or I'll google about, but doubt they'd have any coupons/vouchers for a full check for 25 and I wouldnt be fussed with doing one of the 'smaller' checks.

YbFocus · 21-08-2015 08:54PM

Noccy_Mondy wrote: »

Look people differ, not everyone is in the same boat with regards to how they buy. I just find that spending all that amount of money with absolutely no come back is a step too far. Believe me, I'm well aware that dealers can sell crap too, and one has to be able to tell that before any sale goes through.
I know that you can get more bang for your buck privately, but I'd rather play it safe

I'd buy privately off a specialised forum where the car can be seen as a pride and joy for years, as MM's was.
I wouldn't buy an unknown car at that value level.

Noccy_Mondy · 21-08-2015 08:55PM

CIP4 wrote:

I broke my personnel record today for most amount of flashes of hazards under Hard brakeing my record was too flashes as you know it only flashes under very hard deceleration ie standing on the brakes. Today I got 8 flashes which was basically going from 100kmh to stop as quickly as I could. Great car to stop infairness.

Oh lord you're a mad cnut :pac:

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