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Ireland Team Talk/Gossip/Rumour Thread IV

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    #5282
    connachta
    Registered Users Posts: 7,964 ✭✭✭connachta


    Payne won't play neither 15 nor 13 because Earls/Kearney will be choosen in the end:P


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    #5283
    bilston
    Registered Users Posts: 17,749 ✭✭✭✭bilston


    PTH2009 wrote: »
    i get nervous when i hear people talking about that we are dead certs for the Quarter finals. we should beat canada and romania but Italy will be a tough one and France always play well against us. A repeat of 2007 will be a disaster.

    I have a strange feeling Italy will beat France or worse we top our group and Argentina top there group meaning its us vs the All Blacks in the Quarters.

    cant wait for it all

    Apologies to the Mocker Gods but we are not going to lose to Italy...we just aren't


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    #5284
    Zzippy
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 14,166 Mod ✭✭✭✭Zzippy


    If you ignore Thornley's predictable use of the term "mercurial" this article encapsulates my feelings about the French game - nervous! In the last 4 years we've beaten them twice and drawn twice, average winning margin over the 4 games is 2.25 points. Definitely not one to be taken lightly!


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    #5285
    wp_rathead
    Registered Users Posts: 10,067 ✭✭✭✭wp_rathead


    PTH2009 wrote: »
    i get nervous when i hear people talking about that we are dead certs for the Quarter finals. we should beat canada and romania but Italy will be a tough one and France always play well against us. A repeat of 2007 will be a disaster.

    I have a strange feeling Italy will beat France or worse we top our group and Argentina top there group meaning its us vs the All Blacks in the Quarters.

    cant wait for it all

    PTH optimisms continues :pac:


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    #5286
    flangemeistro
    Registered Users Posts: 1,692 ✭✭✭flangemeistro


    connachta wrote: »
    Payne won't play neither 15 nor 13 because Earls/Kearney will be choosen in the end:P

    And don't forget Marmion at 9.

    Sorry i just couldn't resist.


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    #5287
    connachta
    Registered Users Posts: 7,964 ✭✭✭connachta


    flangemeistro wrote: »
    And don't forget Marmion at 9.

    Sorry i just couldn't resist.

    And Buckley for LH if Healy is off;)


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    #5288
    wittycynic
    Registered Users Posts: 532 ✭✭✭wittycynic


    PTH2009 wrote: »
    i get nervous when i hear people talking about that we are dead certs for the Quarter finals. we should beat canada and romania but Italy will be a tough one and France always play well against us. A repeat of 2007 will be a disaster.

    I have a strange feeling Italy will beat France or worse we top our group and Argentina top there group meaning its us vs the All Blacks in the Quarters.

    cant wait for it all

    We will beat Italy, but France is something else altogether. In a strange twist (considering they held it over us for so long) we have held the Indian sign over France for the past few years. They have brilliant individual talent at their disposal, but have largely failed to knit that into a cohesive team, still though, man for man they match our talent, and might exceed it.

    We can certainly beat them, but if we do it'll be by the narrowest of margins. And they will probably be the slim favourites with the bookies in the lead up to the game.


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    #5289
    smiley_face
    Closed Accounts Posts: 469 ✭✭smiley_face


    The Pheasant2 wrote: »
    You wouldn't think Earls would get the nod for 23? Think he provides better cover than DK

    Good point,
    Thinking about it, could Earls be a dark horse to start left wing against Wales?
    If he can cover 13 and 14, and 11, he would be a good pair with Zebo starting at 11 and Earls at 23.


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    #5290
    smiley_face
    Closed Accounts Posts: 469 ✭✭smiley_face


    .ak wrote: »
    Yeah... To be honest, it would be pretty amazing if DK is ahead of Earls in the 23 now...

    But at the end of the day, we'll have 4 quality players and only 2 can make the 23.... Fitz, Earls, Zebo and DK. Presuming that Bowe starts that is...

    Personally I'd be taking Fitz and Earls, Fitz to 11 and Earls to 23.

    Ok but on match day, who would move to 15 if Kearney were to get injured, Payne to 15 and Earls to 13?
    I'd rather Zebo to 15 and Earls to 11.

    Edit: see you already answered this


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    #5291
    Witheringeye
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    smiley_face wrote: »
    Good point,
    Thinking about it, could Earls be a dark horse to start left wing against Wales?
    If he can cover 13 and 14, and 11, he would be a good pair with Zebo starting at 11 and Earls at 23.
    I doubt it, joe has been very reluctant to put a right footer on the left(has he ever actually?(not including DK))
    I think we'll either see fitz or DK on the left vs Wales.

    I could see earls as 23 vs wales to come on for Payne


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    #5292
    smiley_face
    Closed Accounts Posts: 469 ✭✭smiley_face


    Witheringeye wrote: »
    I doubt it, joe has been very reluctant to put a right footer on the left(has he ever actually?(not including DK))
    I think we'll either see fitz or DK on the left vs Wales.

    I could see earls as 23 vs wales to come on for Payne

    Is McFadden a left footer?
    Genuinely don't know.
    Also people keep saying DK is a right footer but I think he's a lefty that built up his confidence in his right leg through gaa, same as Rob?


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    #5293
    Christy42
    Registered Users Posts: 7,868 ✭✭✭Christy42


    Guessing at a team to face Wales,

    Killer, Best, White
    Ryan POC
    POM Heaslip SOB
    Marmion Jakson
    Madigan, Henshaw
    DK Jones Zebo

    McGrath, Cronin, Toner, Henderson, Boss, Cave, Earls.

    Madigan is getting big points for his versatility so I reckon Joe will want to see it in action in an international. Marmion deserves his chance, I believe Boss will take the spot but I feel he should have a run as a starter. Henshaw at 13 I am unsure of given Joe sees him as a 12 for the moment but wanted to get him some game time. DK had a good few minutes vs Scotland and so would like to see him get a game especially with Trimble out. Jones should be given a shot to stake his claim. No fly half on the bench but Madigan simply moves over if need be.


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    #5294
    total former
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,784 ✭✭✭total former


    Christy42 wrote: »
    Guessing at a team to face Wales,

    Killer, Best, White
    Ryan POC
    POM Heaslip SOB
    Marmion Jakson
    Madigan, Henshaw
    DK Jones Zebo

    McGrath, Cronin, Toner, Henderson, Boss, Cave, Earls.

    Madigan is getting big points for his versatility so I reckon Joe will want to see it in action in an international. Marmion deserves his chance, I believe Boss will take the spot but I feel he should have a run as a starter. Henshaw at 13 I am unsure of given Joe sees him as a 12 for the moment but wanted to get him some game time. DK had a good few minutes vs Scotland and so would like to see him get a game especially with Trimble out. Jones should be given a shot to stake his claim. No fly half on the bench but Madigan simply moves over if need be.

    Murray, Sexton, Kearney?


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    #5295
    smiley_face
    Closed Accounts Posts: 469 ✭✭smiley_face


    Podge_irl wrote: »
    Joe has given no indication whether or not he thinks that Payne is a better 13 than fullback - just that he thinks Kearney is a better fullback than Payne and Payne is a good 13.

    He won't be moved to 15 as he is still learning to play 13 and it would disrupt the centre partnership.

    Could also say nobody looks better than Payne at 13 and Rob Kearney is a good fullback.
    Also, think he's past the learning phase...


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    #5296
    Witheringeye
    Registered Users Posts: 110 ✭✭Witheringeye


    smiley_face wrote: »
    Is McFadden a left footer?
    Genuinely don't know.
    Also people keep saying DK is a right footer but I think he's a lefty that built up his confidence in his right leg through gaa, same as Rob?

    I'm actually not sure but I think he's right. So yeah I suppose there is precedent of it but I think McFadden was played on the "wrong" wing to accommodate for Trimble. Ferg moved to the right and Zebo went to the left when Trimble got injured as well IIRC


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    #5297
    The Pheasant2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,699 ✭✭✭The Pheasant2


    Christy42 wrote: »
    Guessing at a team to face Wales,

    Killer, Best, White
    Ryan POC
    POM Heaslip SOB
    Marmion Jakson
    Madigan, Henshaw
    DK Jones Zebo

    McGrath, Cronin, Toner, Henderson, Boss, Cave, Earls.

    Good to see Toner get a go at tighthead - he's a bit untested there as of yet but if Moore isn't fit and White doesn't take his chance I reckon Dev could be a bolter for Ross' understudy.


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    #5298
    Podge_irl
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    wittycynic wrote: »
    We can certainly beat them, but if we do it'll be by the narrowest of margins. And they will probably be the slim favourites with the bookies in the lead up to the game.

    Considering we're 8/15 on to win the group that's pretty unlikely.


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    #5299
    Podge_irl
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,407 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    smiley_face wrote: »
    Could also say nobody looks better than Payne at 13 and Rob Kearney is a good fullback.
    Also, think he's past the learning phase...

    You could except it wouldn't make any sense considering Payne was the one moved out of his provincial position.

    Payne won't be moved to full back regardless of how good a fullback he is because it will disrupt the centres.


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    #5300
    smiley_face
    Closed Accounts Posts: 469 ✭✭smiley_face


    Podge_irl wrote: »
    You could except it wouldn't make any sense considering Payne was the one moved out of his provincial position.

    Payne won't be moved to full back regardless of how good a fullback he is because it will disrupt the centres.

    How much influence did the Irish manager have over Payne being moved to 13 at Ulster? I'd say that's the only reason he was moved from fullback.

    Also agree it is a done deal now, I think Joe sees him as our 1st choice 13, with Earls next best by a small but decisive margin IMO.


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    #5301
    Wang King
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    smiley_face wrote: »
    How much influence did the Irish manager have over Payne being moved to 13 at Ulster? I'd say that's the only reason he was moved from fullback.

    Also agree it is a done deal now, I think Joe sees him as our 1st choice 13, with Earls next best by a small but decisive margin IMO.

    What odds would Paddy Power give on Earls being our starting 13 first game of the world cup?


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    #5302
    smiley_face
    Closed Accounts Posts: 469 ✭✭smiley_face


    Wang King wrote: »
    What odds would Paddy Power give on Earls being our starting 13 first game of the world cup?

    I would guess that Payne will start against Canada, Earls against Romania and thereafter our 1st choice team all the way to the final! ;)


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    #5303
    wittycynic
    Registered Users Posts: 532 ✭✭✭wittycynic


    Podge_irl wrote: »
    Considering we're 8/15 on to win the group that's pretty unlikely.

    I said in the lead up to the match, and I do think the odds will move between now and October. We've gotten the better of them in the last two outings, but neither of those performances would lead me to believe that we are considerably ahead of them. They have a very strong history of performing at World Cups and were narrow runners-up just four years ago.

    They also had a good showing against England in Twickenham last weekend, and have a lot of quality and depth throughout the squad. I fully believe that we have the ability to beat them, but don't be surprised if they are more fancied than they are currently come the group decider.


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    #5304
    Buer
    Registered Users Posts: 24,180 ✭✭✭✭Buer


    Wang King wrote: »
    What odds would Paddy Power give on Earls being our starting 13 first game of the world cup?

    Pretty scabby, I'd imagine. At this point, it's a complete toss up between himself and Payne regardless of which is first choice as we're not going to put out a completely full strength side, I'd imagine.


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    #5305
    smiley_face
    Closed Accounts Posts: 469 ✭✭smiley_face


    wittycynic wrote: »
    I said in the lead up to the match, and I do think the odds will move between now and October. We've gotten the better of them in the last two outings, but neither of those performances would lead me to believe that we are considerably ahead of them. They have a very strong history of performing at World Cups and were narrow runners-up just four years ago.

    They also had a good showing against England in Twickenham last weekend, and have a lot of quality and depth throughout the squad. I fully believe that we have the ability to beat them, but don't be surprised if they are more fancied than they are currently come the group decider.

    I'm plagued with the vision that they will turn up and we'll have a gut-wrenching opening half where they open us up.
    Then they will get bored with the effort and our lads will dominate the 2nd half and roll them over. Just a thought. 😰


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    #5306
    aimee1
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    france could just as easily lose to italy in the first game as put a score on us. They shipped 55 points to england in march, 1 point less then ireland conceded in the entire 6n.


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    #5307
    irishbucsfan
    Registered Users Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    wittycynic wrote: »
    I said in the lead up to the match, and I do think the odds will move between now and October. We've gotten the better of them in the last two outings, but neither of those performances would lead me to believe that we are considerably ahead of them. They have a very strong history of performing at World Cups and were narrow runners-up just four years ago.

    They also had a good showing against England in Twickenham last weekend, and have a lot of quality and depth throughout the squad. I fully believe that we have the ability to beat them, but don't be surprised if they are more fancied than they are currently come the group decider.

    Yes but the chances of them pushing the needle that far with the bookies based on warm ups and group games is massively slim. We'd have to lose to Italy to make them favourites!


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    #5308
    ionadnapokot
    Registered Users Posts: 4,753 ✭✭✭ionadnapokot


    smiley_face wrote: »
    Is McFadden a left footer?
    Genuinely don't know.
    Also people keep saying DK is a right footer but I think he's a lefty that built up his confidence in his right leg through gaa, same as Rob?

    McFadden is a right footed
    & im nearly 100% sure DK is also a RF (hes left handed)


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    #5309
    Christy42
    Registered Users Posts: 7,868 ✭✭✭Christy42


    total former wrote: »
    Murray, Sexton, Kearney?

    Depends how badly they need game time. I reckon they would be fine for another bit and would prefer they don't get injured. England will be pretty close to a 1st team and they can come back for that. My thinking on it anyway.

    If Joe fails to see Toner's potential at tighthead then Ross can go on the bench and we take the full 8 subs. Really think we are missing a trick there leaving him at lock though;).


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    #5310
    smiley_face
    Closed Accounts Posts: 469 ✭✭smiley_face


    ionadnapokot wrote: »
    McFadden is a right footed
    & im nearly 100% sure DK is also a RF
    I've heard DK used to kick penalties so that should make it obvious if anyone has seen him kick at goal?
    Kinda kills the whole 'have to be left-legged to play left wing' argument, so Earls can play 11 without that debate.


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    #5311
    connachta
    Registered Users Posts: 7,964 ✭✭✭connachta


    Christy42 wrote: »
    Depends how badly they need game time. I reckon they would be fine for another bit and would prefer they don't get injured. England will be pretty close to a 1st team and they can come back for that. My thinking on it anyway.

    If Joe fails to see Toner's potential at tighthead then Ross can go on the bench and we take the full 8 subs. Really think we are missing a trick there leaving him at lock though;).

    Thanks for the 1st part


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