Waterford GAA Discussion Thread 3 Updated Mod Note Post 1

thinkstoomuch1 · 16-08-2015 06:39PM

Deise Hurler wrote: »

Well done Galway. That's what happens when you believe in yereselves and really take on the big two. Hope we can replicate that next year with a more attacking style of hurling.

I'd agree
If they loose to kk once not a huge loss will probably be in the running outside of kk for the team of the championship in no one thought they would get to an all ireland final this year

I agree if waterford become more attacking could be like Galway
However Galway imo can't go orthodox v kk as kk will get goals against that full back line
I don't think attacking all out will beat kk, I feel it has to be balanced in defence and attack as kk are the masters of both defence and attack

conditioned games · 16-08-2015 06:50PM

Galway by far the better team, if they played a sweeper in front of Callinane game would have been over earlier.

Galway are a big team with ball winners. As Kilkenny are on average the same height as waterford how can we be better at catching the ball in the air next year especially in the forwards?

thinkstoomuch1 · 16-08-2015 06:57PM

conditioned games wrote: »

Galway by far the better team, if they played a sweeper in front of Callinane game would have been over earlier.

Galway are a big team with ball winners. As Kilkenny are on average the same height as waterford how can we be better at catching the ball in the air next year especially in the forwards?

I'd agree Galway should be home much earlier

Foran is a work in progress but has huge ball winning potential and really aggressive hurler what you need in the modern game

conditioned games · 16-08-2015 07:23PM

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

I'd agree Galway should be home much earlier

Foran is a work in progress but has huge ball winning potential and really aggressive hurler what you need in the modern game

They would need to put him on a physical conditioning programme over the winter to compete at senior but he is very good at winning his own ball in the half forwards. Pity they played him in full forward in the U21's when they couldn't win their own puck outs. Ray Barry would be another huge addition next year in the half forwards.

hurler on de ditch · 16-08-2015 07:39PM

conditioned games wrote: »

They would need to put him on a physical conditioning programme over the winter to compete at senior but he is very good at winning his own ball in the half forwards. Pity they played him in full forward in the U21's when they couldn't win their own puck outs. Ray Barry would be another huge addition next year in the half forwards.

is there such a thing as forwards/half forwards in the current Waterford set up ,i'd say even Seamus Callanane would struggle in this set up

conditioned games · 16-08-2015 07:44PM

hurler on de ditch wrote: »

is there such a thing as forwards/half forwards in the current Waterford set up ,i'd say even Seamus Callanane would struggle in this set up

They played 3 half forwards and 2 inside against Kk. Don't think an extra one would have given them more attacking power. Improvements lye elsewhere up front.

hurler on de ditch · 16-08-2015 08:24PM

conditioned games wrote: »

They played 3 half forwards and 2 inside against Kk. Don't think an extra one would have given them more attacking power. Improvements lye elsewhere up front.

true they picked 2 forwards and 3 half forwards but that's not where they played ,more like 1 ff,and 2 half forwards ,most disappointing, nothing learned from the Munster final ,pity really ,they say the players will learn from the last day ,but most importantly
the management must learn from the last day ,i was slightly proven wrong with my overall view of the management this year but cant see him changing much next year (hope i'm wrong again)but he done lads no favours this year with the system and i fear for some of the lads on the bench that had to endure the last 15-20 mins vs KK ,looked like they were exiting the championship and he did not even throw caution to the wind ,send on the 3 remaining subs and go for it ,but NO,, stand there arms folded ,what would you be thinking if you were G O'Brien ,M O'NEILL,S O'Sullivan ,,no game time at all never mind the lads that did not make the bench for the game ,

blueflame · 17-08-2015 01:00PM

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

I'd agree
If they loose to kk once not a huge loss will probably be in the running outside of kk for the team of the championship in no one thought they would get to an all ireland final this year

I agree if waterford become more attacking could be like Galway
However Galway imo can't go orthodox v kk as kk will get goals against that full back line
I don't think attacking all out will beat kk, I feel it has to be balanced in defence and attack as kk are the masters of both defence and attack

Cannot agree with sentiment that if Galway loose to KK it is not a huge loss. Loosing the 2012 Final set Galway back big time and another loss now will be another huge set back. Don't tell me that Galway thought they would have to wait three years to get even close to another All Ireland Final.

Looking forward to the final but hope that Galway sort ut thier defensive problems, Cannot afford to give the space to Reild and Hogan that was afforded to Callinan yesterday. If they can prvide added protection there and play with same intensity they have the combination up front to trouble KK with speed and physicality.

thinkstoomuch1 · 17-08-2015 04:07PM

blueflame wrote: »

Cannot agree with sentiment that if Galway loose to KK it is not a huge loss. Loosing the 2012 Final set Galway back big time and another loss now will be another huge set back. Don't tell me that Galway thought they would have to wait three years to get even close to another All Ireland Final.

Looking forward to the final but hope that Galway sort ut thier defensive problems, Cannot afford to give the space to Reild and Hogan that was afforded to Callinan yesterday. If they can prvide added protection there and play with same intensity they have the combination up front to trouble KK with speed and physicality.

Fair points but I was meaning in context of management of the year going to cunningjham
Imo who ever wins all ireland management year in its simple most of the time but should kk win talk is mcgrath deserves this award but my point is no he does not and once not hammered by kk final cunningjham done more with galway

deiseach · 17-08-2015 04:09PM

The match yesterday certainly brought back memories of the heady days when we brought our swahsbuckling style to Croke Park, thrilling neutrals the world over.

I hated those days.

blueflame · 17-08-2015 04:16PM

As regards Manager of the Year if KK win, Cody is manager of the year by a mile - any manager who has coped with the loss of the likes of JJ Delaney, Sheflin, Walsh and Co from his panel and managed to maintain the hunger and drive in his players to retain the All- Ireland deserves it. If Cunningham manages to win the All Ireland then I think it has to be him for pulling them back from the depths after another inept league showing and a poor Leinster final showing.

Derek McGrath's achievements have been excellent in rebuilding a confidence that was decimated last year. Winning the league was a massive achievement fro this young side especially coming from the lower Division but does not rank with the achievement of either of two that wins the All Ireland. Had he managed to defeat KK in the semi final then that would have been different, the winning of the final may not have been such a decisive factor. He must learn to walk before he can run, and i think he has done that this year - next year comes the acid test.

Mountainlad · 17-08-2015 04:43PM

Who actually cares who manager of the year is? Don't even think there's an actual award like

enoughtaken · 17-08-2015 04:50PM

Mountainlad wrote: »

Who actually cares who manager of the year is? Don't even think there's an actual award like

Mountainlad. Don't take the bait !!!

thinkstoomuch1 · 17-08-2015 05:01PM

Mountainlad wrote: »

Who actually cares who manager of the year is? Don't even think there's an actual award like

I'd agree but enda McCoy saying such awards most of the season as was some fans

Alf Tupper · 17-08-2015 08:29PM

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

I'd agree but enda McCoy saying such awards most of the season as was some fans

Would he be the Real McCoy?

Deskjockey · 17-08-2015 11:44PM

Waterford's most important ever scores (robbing this idea from another website)

- Paul Flynn's goal in the 2004 Munster Final
- Seamus Prendergast point in 2007 league final
- Seamus Power's goal to draw the 1959 drawn final
- Dan Shanahan's goal in extra time under lights in the 2010 Munster Final
- Ken McGrath's point to beat Cork in the 2002 Munster semi final
- Paul O'Brien's goal to beat Tipp at the death in 2004 Munster semi final (will never forget the jubilation leaving that match)
- Patrick Currans goal - 2013 minor final
- Paul Flynn's goal - 1992 drawn Munster final
- John Mullane's point v Galway in 2009

Any other ones I am missing?

**Post edited to add some scores in and remove incorrect info!**

O Riain · 18-08-2015 12:03AM

Miall108 wrote: »

Paul Flynns missed free last puck of the game in the 98 Munster Final

John mullanes run across literally the width of the pitch to gather the ball off Dec Pender to score the winning point against Galway there a few years back. Mullane had been scoreless up to that point and he bolted across the pitch to stand up when he was needed. Gwan Mullane boy!

Was it 2009?

Alf Tupper · 18-08-2015 12:26AM

Deskjockey wrote: »

Waterford's most important ever scores (robbing this idea from another website)

- Paul Flynn's goal in the 2004 Munster Final
- Seamus Prendergast point in 2007 league final
- Seamus Power's goal to draw the 1959 drawn final
- Dan Shanahan's goal in extra time under lights in the 2010 Munster Final
- Ken McGrath's point to beat Cork in the 2002 Munster semi final

Honorable mention for Paul O'Brien's goal to beat Tipp at the death in 2003 (will never forget the jubilation leaving that match) and Patrick Currans goal at the end of the 2012 minor final (game was over by then and goal came from bad mistake by the keeper)

Any other ones I am missing?

Flynner's unbelievable goal at the death to draw us the Munster Minor Final in 1992.

For anyone of us who had grown up following Waterford in the dark days of the late 60's, 70's ad 80's it was the genesis for everything that followed.

A sign that we could produce a hurler, a genius, to rival anyone from any other county, was the stuff of dreams.

The fact that he led us to win the Minor replay and only a couple of months later went on to scorch the earth against Offaly in the U21 final replay, only went to re-enforce the point.

That was the starting point for everything that followed!

robopaddy2 · 18-08-2015 01:05AM

Deskjockey wrote: »

Waterford's most important ever scores (robbing this idea from another website)

- Paul Flynn's goal in the 2004 Munster Final
- Seamus Prendergast point in 2007 league final
- Seamus Power's goal to draw the 1959 drawn final
- Dan Shanahan's goal in extra time under lights in the 2010 Munster Final
- Ken McGrath's point to beat Cork in the 2002 Munster semi final

Honorable mention for Paul O'Brien's goal to beat Tipp at the death in 2003 (will never forget the jubilation leaving that match) and Patrick Currans goal at the end of the 2012 minor final (game was over by then and goal came from bad mistake by the keeper)

Any other ones I am missing?

Waterford won the minor in 2013 and game was far from over until Curran scored it, and that O'Brien goal was in 04' and got us into that Munster final with cork.

deiseach · 18-08-2015 09:04AM

Alf Tupper wrote: »

Flynner's unbelievable goal at the death to draw us the Munster Minor Final in 1992.

For anyone of us who had grown up following Waterford in the dark days of the late 60's, 70's ad 80's it was the genesis for everything that followed.

A sign that we could produce a hurler, a genius, to rival anyone from any other county, was the stuff of dreams.

The fact that he led us to win the Minor replay and only a couple of months later went on to scorch the earth against Offaly in the U21 final replay, only went to re-enforce the point.

That was the starting point for everything that followed!

I remember the shock I felt at that. A Waterford team - any Waterford team! - showing up in a Munster final. Even that felt like success. And it only got better.

Deskjockey · 18-08-2015 09:44AM

robopaddy2 wrote: »

Waterford won the minor in 2013 and game was far from over until Curran scored it, and that O'Brien goal was in 04' and got us into that Munster final with cork.

You're right on both counts, I had it in my head that the Patrick Curran goal was almost in injury time but there was 13 minutes left, so the score definitely belongs on the main list!

Deskjockey · 18-08-2015 09:52AM

Alf Tupper wrote: »

Flynner's unbelievable goal at the death to draw us the Munster Minor Final in 1992.

For anyone of us who had grown up following Waterford in the dark days of the late 60's, 70's ad 80's it was the genesis for everything that followed.

A sign that we could produce a hurler, a genius, to rival anyone from any other county, was the stuff of dreams.

The fact that he led us to win the Minor replay and only a couple of months later went on to scorch the earth against Offaly in the U21 final replay, only went to re-enforce the point.

That was the starting point for everything that followed!

Fantastic one alright, and nice piece above, great to remind us of what a hurler Flynn was and the part he played in sparking off everything that came after that.

The goal mentioned is on the link below, just before the 14 minute mark, but you know what ... Treat yourself and watch the full 15 :-)

Funny looking back to see Derek McGrath as a handy centre forward (would you believe it he looks as if he does one of his trademark licks of his fingers after scoring his goal :-) ) and a future Waterford stalwart Brian Flannery playing as a Tipp defender. A young Tommy Dunne and Tom Feeney also feature amongst others.
http://youtu.be/73vFuEwJOq8

deiseach · 18-08-2015 10:03AM

Deskjockey wrote: »

Fantastic one alright, and nice piece above, great to remind us of what a hurler Flynn was and the part he played in sparking off everything that came after that.

The goal mentioned is on the link below, just before the 14 minute mark, but you know what ... Treat yourself and watch the full 15 :-)

Funny looking back to see Derek McGrath as a handy centre forward (would you believe it he looks as if he does one of his trademark licks of his fingers after scoring his goal :-) ) and a future Waterford stalwart Brian Flannery playing as a Tipp defender. A young Tommy Dunne and Tom Feeney also feature amongst others.
http://youtu.be/73vFuEwJOq8

blue note · 18-08-2015 10:34AM

Flynn's free goaled in the 98 Munster final. I know we didn't win the title after, but drawing with the AI champions was an important step on our rise to the top table.

deiseach · 18-08-2015 10:49AM

blue note wrote: »

Flynn's free goaled in the 98 Munster final. I know we didn't win the title after, but drawing with the AI champions was an important step on our rise to the top table.

I don't think I ever felt more joy than I did in that moment. He hit the ball like a rocket yet I was able to follow it right into the back of the net and all hell broke loose on the Town End. I remember my sister, who was only at her third hurling match, turned to me and said "was that a goal?!" and I had to roar "YEEESSS!" above the din.

Ah stop it lads, it's all too much!

Punt Road · 18-08-2015 09:10PM

Ah some unreal moments in that list
Two goals that I can remember being extremely significant for me probably because of the realisation that they were game clinchers in games of huge importance for Waterford.

- Michael Whites goal in the 1998 league semi final.
- Tony Brownes goal in the '02 Munster final

Deskjockey wrote: »

Waterford's most important ever scores (robbing this idea from another website)

- Paul Flynn's goal in the 2004 Munster Final
- Seamus Prendergast point in 2007 league final
- Seamus Power's goal to draw the 1959 drawn final
- Dan Shanahan's goal in extra time under lights in the 2010 Munster Final
- Ken McGrath's point to beat Cork in the 2002 Munster semi final
- Paul O'Brien's goal to beat Tipp at the death in 2004 Munster semi final (will never forget the jubilation leaving that match)
- Patrick Currans goal - 2013 minor final
- Paul Flynn's goal - 1992 drawn Munster final
- John Mullane's point v Galway in 2009

Any other ones I am missing?

**Post edited to add some scores in and remove incorrect info!**

KevIRL · 18-08-2015 09:28PM

Dave Bennett's point to put us 7 ahead going into the closing minutes in 2002 final, only then did I start thinking we were finally gonna win it

RockyMills · 18-08-2015 09:51PM

Deskjockey wrote: »

You're right on both counts, I had it in my head that the Patrick Curran goal was almost in injury time but there was 13 minutes left, so the score definitely belongs on the main list!

No, there were 3 minutes left. Minor games are only 60 minutes. Curran scored after 57 minutes.

Deskjockey · 18-08-2015 11:45PM

RockyMills wrote: »

No, there were 3 minutes left. Minor games are only 60 minutes. Curran scored after 57 minutes.

I'll get my coat :-)

Giveitfong · 19-08-2015 01:47AM

Deskjockey wrote: »

Waterford's most important ever scores (robbing this idea from another website)

- Paul Flynn's goal in the 2004 Munster Final
- Seamus Prendergast point in 2007 league final
- Seamus Power's goal to draw the 1959 drawn final
- Dan Shanahan's goal in extra time under lights in the 2010 Munster Final
- Ken McGrath's point to beat Cork in the 2002 Munster semi final
- Paul O'Brien's goal to beat Tipp at the death in 2004 Munster semi final (will never forget the jubilation leaving that match)
- Patrick Currans goal - 2013 minor final
- Paul Flynn's goal - 1992 drawn Munster final
- John Mullane's point v Galway in 2009

Any other ones I am missing?

Seamus Power's equalising goal in the 1959 All-Ireland final has to be top of the list.
Paul Flynn's late equalising goal in the drawn 1992 All-Ireland under 21 final.
Seamus Prendergast's winning point in the 2004 Munster final.
Tom Casey's fantastic points from either touchline in atrocious conditions in the 1974 Munster under 21 Munster final against Clare.
Growler Daly's late winning points against Clare in the 1992 Munster Under 21 final
Stephen Molumphy's miraculous late goal in the drawn All-Ireland quarter final against Cork in 2007.
Pauric Mahony's winning point in this year's League semi-final against Tipperary.
Paudie Prendergast's last-gasp equaliser in the league opener against Limerick earlier this year - if we had lost that game what would have transpired afterwards?

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