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Liverpool FC News/Gossip/Rumours Summer '15

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,311 ✭✭✭Damien360


    Dickerty wrote: »
    But he has to know that if the team fails, he will unquestionably pay with his job...

    Not if last year is anything to go by.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,872 ✭✭✭Dickerty


    Damien360 wrote: »
    Not if last year is anything to go by.

    Well he did give a good number of minutes to Moreno, Marko, Balotelli and Sakho when those players were fit. And he dropped Lovren for a long spell. So he didn't blindly play only his picks. But the club sold Suarez (not the manager) and Sturridge's injury was bad luck, so he was left with very poor striking options. I think that was the reason he got a pass, and the previous excellent season...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,799 ✭✭✭corwill


    Dickerty wrote: »
    He has the final say about who plays, but not about who signs - every vote on the committee is equal. But yes, it's not ideal when 4 of the 5 committee members can choose to sign a player, and the manager can decide to never use that player.

    But that's not the way Rodgers claims it works, he's been adamant since day 1 that he had the final say on whether a player is signed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,799 ✭✭✭corwill


    Dickerty wrote: »
    Well he did give a good number of minutes to Moreno, Marko, Balotelli and Sakho when those players were fit. And he dropped Lovren for a long spell. So he didn't blindly play only his picks. But the club sold Suarez (not the manager) and Sturridge's injury was bad luck, so he was left with very poor striking options. I think that was the reason he got a pass, and the previous excellent season...

    It's almost like this stuff should be blindingly obvious...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,872 ✭✭✭Dickerty


    corwill wrote: »
    But that's not the way Rodgers claims it works, he's been adamant since day 1 that he had the final say on whether a player is signed.

    Ok, I didn't realise he had explicitly said that, but I found the article I read recently -

    "There have also been times when Rodgers has been left to pick from a shortlist which didn’t include his initial targets. The best example of that was last summer when he was given a choice between Mario Balotelli and Samuel Eto’o at the end of the window."

    So yes, he gets final say - a questionable signing or no-one.
    Rock and a hard place?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,700 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    NukaCola wrote: »
    I've moved to different cities when i didn't necessarily want to and taken jobs with better opportunities for my career with less money. Ya the money is on a different level with footballers but I will always do whats best for my career and mental health. I would imagine most professionals would.

    These guys are already millionaires so its hard to compare, but I can and was only speaking for myself.

    Well, it's an interesting question. I mean the reality is that a footballer's career is short and once it's over they'll never make that cheque anywhere else. So the correct decision is probably to make as much as possible and put away a pile of it. Ideally they would be working in the background on educational / coaching courses etc so that they aren't completely cold when it's over but if they play their cards right they'll be wealthy, healthy and young when it does.

    When you narrow it down for Enrique, he'll still only be 30 if he waits this out and hits the market as a free agent. Could have another few years starting at a decent level but for lower money than he's on now (and being a free agent would likely secure the best salary available).

    If those life considerations are supplanted with him doing everything that's asked of him in training; staying in shape and looking after himself generally diet and sleep wise; and being ready to give his all if called upon I can't really complain being honest.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,905 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    Its like it needs to be stated, Rodgers wants to give the impression he is the man in control, he is hardly going to say "No players are signed against my wishes whether I rate them or not". That would make Rodgers and the club look ridiculous.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,585 ✭✭✭pmy.murphy


    Whats with these rumours that Sakho, Moreno and Markovic are going to be thrown out the door at the first opportunity. They are annoying me to no end. No problem with Lucas being sold as long as hes replaced with an upgrade like Illaramendi. Tbh Id rather Joe Allen to be sold than Lucas if it was me,

    Now fair enough if their not starting because its the managers job to pick the team but Brendan bangs on the whole time about the importance of having a strong squad. At the moment we have some very good strength in depth with these players so I would certainly lose all respect were he to sell any of them, Sakho is our best defender, and its ridiculous to get rid of Markovic after he was played out of position all season and Moreno who needs to be given another chance. If your going to sell anyone after one season then it should be Lovren but because he was Brendans signing he gets another chance which I have no problem with provided theres a bit of fair play across the board. We need a good squad and selling decent players will have us back to square one again. Like who comes in if Lovren has another stinker if Sakho is sold? Likewise with Lallana or if Gomez's inexperience catches up on him because at his age a full season in the Prem would be pretty gruelling.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,905 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    I'd be reluctant to loose Lucas but I could understand why he is surplus. Selling Sakho would be idiotic, Moreno could still make it here and Markovic I would prefer to see go on loan to a PL club, I'd say we would have a lot of takers for him.

    But there is nothing concrete linking any of the later 3 with moves away. I would imagine the priority at the start of the window to shift Borini, Balotelli, Enrique and Lambert remains the same. If bids arrived for Sakho, Moreno and Markovic similar to what we paid then maybe their might be a decision for the club to make.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,993 ✭✭✭Potential Underachiever





    How can you type with your head in the sand?



    Outstanding. :rolleyes:

    You said the abuse he's getting is sickening, what are you talking about? The abuse boards members dish out on here?, the abuse he gets on Twitter? What exactly is so sickening to you? Regardless, I'm sure his reported 80k a week will allow him to cry into 50 quid notes to console himself while the poor lad has to suffer the indignity and humiliation of not training with the squad.



    Turtyturd wrote: »
    Careful now, you might cause him to pull a Doughboy.


    What's a Doughboy?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,585 ✭✭✭pmy.murphy


    MD1990 wrote: »

    Id probably agree there. Either Brendan has completely no knowledge of players who are better value maybe even better players, in other leagues or else he is just completely ignorant of it.

    Like the Eredivisie has some real gems and as a club who prides itself on young talent and value, its mindboggling that we dont look to use that market now and again. Southampton have demonstrated that. As an example, their latest one being Jordy Clasie signed as a replacement for Schneiderlin. He could be one of the signings of the season for me. Top player and a player we never once considered


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,799 ✭✭✭corwill


    Dickerty wrote: »
    Ok, I didn't realise he had explicitly said that, but I found the article I read recently -

    "There have also been times when Rodgers has been left to pick from a shortlist which didn’t include his initial targets. The best example of that was last summer when he was given a choice between Mario Balotelli and Samuel Eto’o at the end of the window."

    So yes, he gets final say - a questionable signing or no-one.
    Rock and a hard place?

    If he doesn't want the player, then he should have the stones to say no and work with what he has. He's then in a position to hang the committee out to dry for not presenting him with suitable transfer options.

    But if he's the one who says yay or ney, then they're all his signings. He's a big boy, he doesn't get to feel hard done by in those circumstances.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,872 ✭✭✭Dickerty


    pmy.murphy wrote: »
    Top player and a player we never once considered

    How do you know we didn't consider him? I am sure lots of players pass by the committee and are put aside for one reason or another.

    With Milner coming in, CM was never an area we needed to focus on a great deal. Who would we drop if we bring in Clasie? Is he sufficiently better than Allen or Lucas (remembering that he was playing in Holland, not a strong league...)?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,095 ✭✭✭MonkeyTennis


    I honestly honestly keep forgetting about Joe Allen


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,996 ✭✭✭✭billymitchell


    Dickerty wrote: »
    And to think that excludes Lovren, Gomez, Can, Lucas, Allen, Lallana, Marko, Ings, Origi and all the kids. Squad is definitely stronger than 2 years ago, but first team isn't...

    To be fair, what chance to we have of signing a Suarez type player to make the first team look respectable if the manager and club can get a bunch of players to even just qualify for the champions league.
    We need to somehow start qualifying for the CL on a regular basis before we can ever hope to improve our first team dramatically.
    And maybe move the City a couple of hundred miles south might help too :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,633 ✭✭✭✭Buford T. Justice XIX


    I honestly honestly keep forgetting about Joe Allen
    Who?





    :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,631 ✭✭✭✭Vicxas


    Who?





    :)

    The Welsh Messi, silly :P :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,095 ✭✭✭MonkeyTennis


    The Wavi?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,404 ✭✭✭✭Turtyturd



    What's a Doughboy?

    He was a guy who fulfilled his Potential to become an Underachiever at life.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,633 ✭✭✭✭Buford T. Justice XIX


    What's a Doughboy?
    A guy had a really bad day a while back and gave us a most memorial final post EVER

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=93648378&postcount=781


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,395 ✭✭✭PhiloCypher


    A guy had a really bad day a while back and gave us a most memorialmemorable final post EVER

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=93648378&postcount=781

    Everytime I see that post I'm tempted to rereg so I can thank it all over again.


  • Posts: 45,738 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The under the bus 3 should sit tight and wait for Brendan to get the bullet!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,962 ✭✭✭54and56


    I think they are being forced out because they are refusing to leave voluntarily.

    Enrique has said himself, he had a good offer in Spain he would not take because of money.
    We know Borini has spurned several attempts by Premier League clubs last season because he wanted more money
    There is reported interest in Balotelli from Italy, however it's clear that wages are the barrier to the move.

    I agree with you that there is a serious problem with the clubs scattergun transfer policy. We shouldn't be allowing ourselves to end up in this situation.

    The single common thread in your observations there is £'s. Players, particularly players who are mid level and won't ever again be paid the sort of wages they are on at LFC simply won't move for less money, why on earth should they. If the club really want them out they either have to pay up their contract and let them leave FOC or provide them with some financial compensation to motivate them to leave e.g. if Borini has 2 years left on his contract and Sunderland are offering him £20,000 a week less then he's on at LFC it's up to LFC to sweeten the deal by giving Borini £2m (the effective drop in wages over the two years) in order for the move to Sunderland to have no financial effect on him. that however assumes he is happy to go to Sunderland (or anywhere else for that matter) in the first place. If his missus doesn't want to leave Liverpool no amount of cajoling by BR will trump his wife's happiness will it?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,799 ✭✭✭corwill


    The single common thread in your observations there is £'s. Players, particularly players who are mid level and won't ever again be paid the sort of wages they are on at LFC simply won't move for less money, why on earth should they. If the club really want them out they either have to pay up their contract and let them leave FOC or provide them with some financial compensation to motivate them to leave e.g. if Borini has 2 years left on his contract and Sunderland are offering him £20,000 a week less then he's on at LFC it's up to LFC to sweeten the deal by giving Borini £2m (the effective drop in wages over the two years) in order for the move to Sunderland to have no financial effect on him. that however assumes he is happy to go to Sunderland (or anywhere else for that matter) in the first place. If his missus doesn't want to leave Liverpool no amount of cajoling by BR will trump his wife's happiness will it?

    Whatever about Enrique, if regaining their places in the Italy squad the season of a European Championships isn't motivation enough for Borini and Ballotelli to try and reignite their playing careers, then it just further underlines how unsuitable they are for LFC, and how justified and welcome their eventual departures will be.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,095 ✭✭✭MonkeyTennis


    Why ?How about a bit pf professional pride? Just a f***ing smidgeon


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,477 ✭✭✭✭Knex*


    rarnes1 wrote: »
    The under the bus 3 should sit tight and wait for Brendan to get the bullet!

    They'll be waiting a long while, I'd say.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,799 ✭✭✭corwill


    Why ?How about a bit pf professional pride? Just a f***ing smidgeon

    Maybe we should replace Enrique with Wayne Bridge...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,799 ✭✭✭corwill


    rarnes1 wrote: »
    The under the bus 3 should sit tight and wait for Brendan to get the bullet!

    Because that's what really matters for the Support the Deadbeat 3 brigade, even if the club has to go under the bus to achieve it.


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  • Posts: 45,738 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    corwill wrote: »
    Because that's what really matters for the Support the Deadbeat 3 brigade, even if the club has to go under the bus to achieve it.

    Such hyperbole.

    The no humour brigade!

    LFC superthread has the most brigades per population supposedly


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