Liverpool FC News/Gossip/Rumours Summer '15

corwill · 14-08-2015 09:59AM

PhiloCypher wrote: »

Cryarsing if we play them(as we we have better options)
Cryarsing if we don't(how will we ever sell them if we don't shop window them)
Cryarsing if we sell them(He was never given a chance/Sold for pennies)
Cryarsing if we don't (they're stealing a living)

Honestly who'd be a manager of a fanbase like ours :rolleyes:

And you cryarsing about the cryarsing, very meta.

kfallon · 14-08-2015 10:01AM

daRobot wrote: »

YNWA Borini

You're not wanted anymore

You were never wanted in the first place!

Hoki · 14-08-2015 10:01AM

NapoleonInRags wrote: »

Yes, nothing like an auld cancer story to lighten the mood....:rolleyes:

I think you missed the point. Nice fake outrage post though.

Francie Barrett · 14-08-2015 10:14AM

Je_suis_Jean wrote: »

You reap what you sow. Treat players poorly by isolating them and guess what? If a transfer doesn't suit them they won't agree to it and they're dead right. Would you allow your employer to sell you to another employer you didn't want to go to?

Sorry, but that is rubbish. The likes of Mascherano, Torres, Suarez, and Sterling were all treated with total respect by the board, the manager and loved by the fans. Yet they still demanded and forced transfers to leave the club. The days of loyalty by either the club to players, or vice versa, is virtually dead.

Anyway, I don't know why people are so upset by what's going on. The only reason the likes of Borini, Balotelli and Enrique are remaining with the club is simply because they will not get more money elsewhere.

54and56 · 14-08-2015 10:16AM

NukaCola wrote: »

If i was a professional footballer I would prefer to be playing football regularly for a manager who actually wanted me, but maybe I'm naive.

You're not taking all the elements in the equation into account.

If you had a choice of dropping e.g. £1m a year in wages and moving to a club/city you didn't like in order to get playing time would you still go?

It's easy to hypothesise what you'd do when it's not real money.

PhiloCypher · 14-08-2015 10:21AM

corwill wrote: »

And you cryarsing about the cryarsing, very meta.

Are you cryarsing about my cryarsing ?

cryarseception

kfallon · 14-08-2015 10:22AM

Je_suis_Jean wrote: »

You're not taking all the elements in the equation into account.

If you had a choice of dropping e.g. £1m a year in wages and moving to a club/city you didn't like in order to get playing time would you still go?

It's easy to hypothesise what you'd do when it's not real money.

Borini was happy to go to Sunderland, it was his missus who scuppered the deal, he's about as decisive in his relationship as he is in front of goal!

54and56 · 14-08-2015 10:27AM

Francie Barrett wrote: »

Sorry, but that is rubbish. The likes of Mascherano, Torres, Suarez, and Sterling were all treated with total respect by the board, the manager and loved by the fans. Yet they still demanded and forced transfers to leave the club. The days of loyalty by either the club to players, or vice versa, is virtually dead.

Agree 100% with you. Loyalty has nothing to do with it however. If a player wants to get away from their current club a la Sterling recently the club will hardball to get compensation. That's what transfer fee's are - compensation by the buying club to the selling club for the selling club to agree to release the player form his contract.

Same principal applies when a club wants to get away from a player. They have to seek a solution which is acceptable to the player otherwise the player stays and keeps picking up his wages a la Borini, Enrique and Balotelli. Trying to force players to move on against their will doesn't work and apart from being a pretty poor way to treat an employee it is in fact counter productive as the affected players have nothing to lose by stirring up $h1t in the press and generally creating a bad atmosphere at the club plus it will impact the clubs reputation when it comes to signing players who know one day soon they could be the ones being frozen out hence they either don't come or make sure their contracts fully protect them from such behaviour.

Francie Barrett wrote: »

Anyway, I don't know why people are so upset by what's going on. The only reason the likes of Borini, Balotelli and Enrique are remaining with the club is simply because they will not get more money elsewhere.

Correct and where does the blame lie for that? Why did we give them contracts greater than anyone else is prepared to pay them?

Harry Palmr · 14-08-2015 10:30AM

I'd actually loan Borini to Sunderland as a punishment.

54and56 · 14-08-2015 10:38AM

Harry Palmr wrote: »

I'd actually loan Borini to Sunderland as a punishment.

He obviously sees it the same way hence he refuses to go there

If only we could dictate to players what wages they earn, when and who they are sold or loaned to wouldn't it be ............. the 1950's

Francie Barrett · 14-08-2015 10:42AM

Je_suis_Jean wrote: »

Agree 100% with you. Loyalty has nothing to do with it however. If a player wants to get away from their current club a la Sterling recently the club will hardball to get compensation. That's what transfer fee's are - compensation by the buying club to the selling club for the selling club to agree to release the player form his contract.

Same principal applies when a club wants to get away from a player. They have to seek a solution which is acceptable to the player otherwise the player stays and keeps picking up his wages a la Borini, Enrique and Balotelli. Trying to force players to move on against their will doesn't work and apart from being a pretty poor way to treat an employee it is in fact counter productive as the affected players have nothing to lose by stirring up $h1t in the press and generally creating a bad atmosphere at the club plus it will impact the clubs reputation when it comes to signing players who know one day soon they could be the ones being frozen out hence they either don't come or make sure their contracts fully protect them from such behaviour.

Correct and where does the blame lie for that? Why did we give them contracts greater than anyone else is prepared to pay them?

I think they are being forced out because they are refusing to leave voluntarily.

Enrique has said himself, he had a good offer in Spain he would not take because of money.
We know Borini has spurned several attempts by Premier League clubs last season because he wanted more money
There is reported interest in Balotelli from Italy, however it's clear that wages are the barrier to the move.

I agree with you that there is a serious problem with the clubs scattergun transfer policy. We shouldn't be allowing ourselves to end up in this situation.

MD1990 · 14-08-2015 10:47AM

This is the team I would like for Bournemouth

Mignolet
Clyne----Lovren----Sakho----Moreno

Henderson----Milner
Ibe

Coutinho

Firmino

Benteke

The back 4 will I would think be the same as Stoke though but I would start Moreno to overlap & bring in Can for Ibe vs Arsenal.

Agent Coulson · 14-08-2015 10:53AM

Net Spend, Rodgers out, Free The Melwood 3 etc etc.

Now that is out of the way.

If everyone is fit and playing in there right position what would our strongest team be?

I'd go with this team.

Mignolet

Clyne----Skrtel----Sakho----Moreno-

----Henderson

Milner

Coutinho

Firmino

Sturridge

Benteke

Dickerty · 14-08-2015 10:57AM

MD1990 wrote: »

This is the team I would like for Bournemouth
Mignolet
Clyne----Lovren----Sakho----Moreno
Henderson----Milner
Ibe
Coutinho
Firmino
Benteke

The back 4 will I would think be the same as Stoke though but I would start Moreno to overlap & bring in Can for Ibe vs Arsenal.

I would agree, I think Gomez is more suited to a defensive set-up, Moreno will more naturally give us width as Clyne does. Not sure Skrtel will be dropped though, no real reason to change the CB pairing until they do something wrong...

Vicxas · 14-08-2015 10:58AM

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Net Spend, Rodgers out, Free The Melwood 3 etc etc.

Now that is out of the way.

If everyone is fit and playing in there right position what would our strongest team be?

I'd go with this team.

Mignolet

Clyne----Skrtel----Sakho----Moreno-

----Henderson
Milner
Coutinho

Firmino
Sturridge
Benteke

I think with some game time Gomez could be a massive threat to Moreno's position.

Also, where do we fit Can in. He was a driving force when he came on against Stoke.

Turtyturd · 14-08-2015 10:58AM

Kerrigooney wrote: »

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How can you type with your head in the sand?

Outstanding. :rolleyes:

Careful now, you might cause him to pull a Doughboy.

MD1990 · 14-08-2015 11:03AM

https://twitter.com/AnfieldHQ96/status/632126853428461569

https://twitter.com/AnfieldHQ96/status/632126957816311808

I would say nearly all of our PL signings have been Rodgers signings tbh.

Dickerty · 14-08-2015 11:05AM

Agent Coulson wrote: »

I'd go with this team.
Mignolet
Clyne----Skrtel----Sakho----Moreno-
----Henderson
Milner
Coutinho
Firmino
Sturridge
Benteke

And to think that excludes Lovren, Gomez, Can, Lucas, Allen, Lallana, Marko, Ings, Origi and all the kids. Squad is definitely stronger than 2 years ago, but first team isn't...

Knex* · 14-08-2015 11:05AM

I think that's pretty much how people would guess it, but hasn't Barrett been outside of the loop for a while now? Not sure how he can saw what's what with that certainty.

Agent Coulson · 14-08-2015 11:05AM

So who signed Balotelli then?

It looks like neither Rodgers or the committee according to those tweets.

Bowlardo · 14-08-2015 11:14AM

We should never buy an Italian again. They never work out! Loan ballotelli and borini to whoever they can manage to find that will take them.
Surprised no one wants Enrique. He was a decent defender I his day. Will probably have to make up some of his wages but he seems to have got the reina clown disease. Squad is quite sold but selling Lucas I madness without a replacement

Dickerty · 14-08-2015 11:15AM

Vicxas wrote: »

Also, where do we fit Can in. He was a driving force when he came on against Stoke.

I'd say he moreso allowed others to play, combined with Stoke retreating a little in the last half hour. Still not quite the full box-to-box player he is likely to become...

Dickerty · 14-08-2015 11:16AM

Bowlardo wrote: »

Squad is quite sold but selling Lucas I madness without a replacement

Not if we play Can in those games instead and develop him as a DM, which is probably his natural position. And with Allen to also come back, and Rossiter in reserve. We only pay two CMs, why do we need 5/6 completed for 2 spots?

Osmosis Jones · 14-08-2015 11:17AM

Agent Coulson wrote: »

So who signed Balotelli then?

It looks like neither Rodgers or the committee according to those tweets.

Just showed up and wrote himself up a contract.

corwill · 14-08-2015 11:22AM

PhiloCypher wrote: »

Are you cryarsing about my cryarsing ?

cryarseception

I was just about to cryarse about you cryarsing about my cryarsing about your cryarsing about all the cryarsing, but it looked like a tear was forming in the space-time continuum, so I decided on a coffee instead.

martyos121 · 14-08-2015 11:23AM

Osmosis Jones wrote: »

Just showed up and wrote himself up a contract.

The first anti-incentivised contract in football history. The less he plays and scores, the more he earns.

Dickerty · 14-08-2015 11:25AM

corwill wrote: »

I was just about to cryarse about you cryarsing about my cryarsing about your cryarsing about all the cryarsing, but it looked like a tear was forming in the space-time continuum, so I decided on a coffee instead.

Too much coffee makes me cry from my arse...

Too much info?? :eek::D

corwill · 14-08-2015 11:30AM

MD1990 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/AnfieldHQ96/status/632126853428461569

https://twitter.com/AnfieldHQ96/status/632126957816311808

I would say nearly all of our PL signings have been Rodgers signings tbh.

But how do "Rodgers alone" signings work? How does the transfer committee not have a say, in those instances?

It reads to me that those are signings where he voted with the committee. The other signings are ones when he got outvoted and the club signed them anyway.

So has he been telling porkies for the last 3 years about his "final say"?

Dysfunctional...

NukaCola · 14-08-2015 11:34AM

Je_suis_Jean wrote: »

You're not taking all the elements in the equation into account.

If you had a choice of dropping e.g. £1m a year in wages and moving to a club/city you didn't like in order to get playing time would you still go?

It's easy to hypothesise what you'd do when it's not real money.

I've moved to different cities when i didn't necessarily want to and taken jobs with better opportunities for my career with less money. Ya the money is on a different level with footballers but I will always do whats best for my career and mental health. I would imagine most professionals would.

These guys are already millionaires so its hard to compare, but I can and was only speaking for myself.

Dickerty · 14-08-2015 11:38AM

corwill wrote: »

So has he been telling porkies for the last 3 years about his "final say"?

Dysfunctional...

He has the final say about who plays, but not about who signs - every vote on the committee is equal. But yes, it's not ideal when 4 of the 5 committee members can choose to sign a player, and the manager can decide to never use that player.

But he has to know that if the team fails, he will unquestionably pay with his job...

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