The 2015 All Ireland Senior Football Championship

12-08-2015 10:34PM

Jayop wrote: »

Wooly who I did like has been sticking the boot in mercilessly the last few days so I'd take that with a pinch of salt. Would be interested to hear though.

Presume it's part of RTEs agenda. They must be getting to other stations...

Jayop · 12-08-2015 10:38PM

Royal Legend wrote: »

So RTE, Today FM, Newstalk, the Indo, are all anti Tyrone, or is it that they just have an opposite opinion of Tyrones tactics, along with 90% plus of the rest of the country?

By the way Mickey Harte was interviewed on Newstalk tonight and hinted at media bias versus Tyrone.
Peter Canavan was on Today FM earlier and seemed to imply that there would be legal proceedings over the supposed Donegal sledging incident.

The Indo is a rag, I try (in case conor is reading) not to read it. I never mentioned Today FM, Newstalk is generally fine I've never had a problem with it. Saying one guy who works on Newstalk has been sticking the boot in is nothing like what I've said about RTE.

Opposite opinion of who?

I listened to Mickey tonight and I've never heard him as close to losing his cool as he was.

Legal proceedings by who and against who?

Jayop · 12-08-2015 10:39PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Presume it's part of RTEs agenda. They must be getting to other stations...

Pathetic. Are you stalking me around the threads in some poor effort to WUM? Seriously it's tiresome. I've not used the ignore feature but it's getting close.

BonnieSituation · 12-08-2015 10:43PM

Jayop wrote: »

What Wooly is talking about now is worse.

It is but he's a spanner.

Only good to rove on the pitch.

keane2097 wrote: »

Wooly said on off the Ball this evening that he retweeted someone's joke about the incident that evening and that it was the sort of joke that wouldn't have indicated any sense of remorse if you know what I mean.

I didn't see it myself but I might dig around at some stage.

Remorse? If that's not taking out of all proportion. I dunno.

Jayop wrote: »

Wooly who I did like has been sticking the boot in mercilessly the last few days so I'd take that with a pinch of salt. Would be interested to hear though.

Let him. The lads were rational.

Royal Legend wrote: »

So RTE, Today FM, Newstalk, the Indo, are all anti Tyrone, or is it that they just have an opposite opinion of Tyrones tactics, along with 90% plus of the rest of the country?

By the way Mickey Harte was interviewed on Newstalk tonight and hinted at media bias versus Tyrone.
Peter Canavan was on Today FM earlier and seemed to imply that there would be legal proceedings over the supposed Donegal sledging incident.

I have to say that the uproar over this is mental and in fact has gotten worse since the ban was hinted at last night.

Media bias or not. It's unprecedented.

Royal Legend · 12-08-2015 10:48PM

Jayop wrote: »

The Indo is a rag, I try (in case conor is reading) not to read it. I never mentioned Today FM, Newstalk is generally fine I've never had a problem with it. Saying one guy who works on Newstalk has been sticking the boot in is nothing like what I've said about RTE.

Opposite opinion of who?

I listened to Mickey tonight and I've never heard him as close to losing his cool as he was.

Legal proceedings by who and against who?

you will have to listen to the podcast of his show, Canavan commented that there was something about to happen in relation to the alleged incident.

without a doubt in my opinion, neither Mickey Harte or most Tyrone supporters seem to see anything wrong with the type of tactics that their team employs to win games, more like Red hand tinted glasses

By the way, i was and still am the same with the labels some people (unfairly) put on the Meath teams of the 80's and 90's, we were no saints, but a lot of the stuff was imho exaggerated, but then thats my Royal Green tinted glasses

Jayop · 12-08-2015 10:50PM

Royal Legend wrote: »

you will have to listen to the podcast of his show, Canavan commented that there was something about to happen in relation to the alleged incident.

without a doubt in my opinion, neither Mickey Harte or most Tyrone supporters seem to see anything wrong with the type of tactics that their team employs to win games, more like Red hand tinted glasses

By the way, i was and still am the same with the labels some people (unfairly) put on the Meath teams of the 80's and 90's, we were no saints, but a lot of the stuff was imho exaggerated, but then thats my Royal Green tinted glasses

I made a big post a few pages ago going over Tyrone's sins and not defending them. I've already quoted it so I don't want to do it again for fear of spamming the place.

Tyrone fans know what the team does, but we also know the reaction to it is totally OTT.

Jayop · 12-08-2015 10:51PM

Also, which show was Canavan on? Cooper?

2moreMinutes · 12-08-2015 11:07PM

Jayop wrote: »

Also, which show was Canavan on? Cooper?

I'm assuming it was Matt Cooper but there doesn't seem to be a podcast of the interview on the Today FM site. There's a podcast on cats available though if that floats your boat.

DoctaDee · 12-08-2015 11:08PM

BonnieSituation wrote: »

..................

I have to say that the uproar over this is mental and in fact has gotten worse since the ban was hinted at last night.

Media bias or not. It's unprecedented.

Not quite .. the Sean Cavanagh incident was received by the outraged masses in much a similar vein ...

Whether people care to admit it or not .. their moral compass points firmly north with regards to the perceived ills of the game, and at times it's duly warranted, but it's far from a monopoly.

In the last 2 showpiece finals

2014 - Kerry ran down the clock with Buckley getting a black, BJK kicking the ball off the tee and JOD feigning injury

2013 - My own lads ran down the clock with Kevin McMenamon rugby tackling a Mayo player and Ger Brennan acting the maggot slowing the play also.

If we didn't have a Tyrone poster here contributing we'd have lashed Tyrone for 3 or 4 pages and let it sink to the bottom of the pile. The fact that we have an alternative opinion coming back the other way is largely fulfilling as far as debate goes - maybe that should be respected a bit more than what it seems at least to me is happening here.. just my 2 cents or (pence) ..

2moreMinutes · 12-08-2015 11:11PM

Jayop wrote: »

Also, which show was Canavan on? Cooper?

It's available on Part 3 of the Listen Back here: http://www.todayfm.com/player/listen_back/7/22475/12th_August_2015_-_The_Last_Word_with_Matt_Cooper_Part_3

keane2097 · 12-08-2015 11:16PM

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Remorse? If that's not taking out of all proportion. I dunno.

Wat?

keane2097 · 12-08-2015 11:18PM

Jayop wrote: »

Wooly who I did like has been sticking the boot in mercilessly the last few days so I'd take that with a pinch of salt. Would be interested to hear though.

I doubt he made it up.

Jayop · 12-08-2015 11:23PM

keane2097 wrote: »

I doubt he made it up.

I'm not saying he did. My point is that if it was something truly worthy of comment we'd all know what it was instead of some half chinese whispers. My point about the Meath goalie getting abuse was that once he said something it was retweeted and reported all over the shop. Given that McCann is public enemy No1, if he did post something on twitter then someone somewhere would have a retweet or a screen shot, or at the very least some sort of a rough summation of what he said.

12-08-2015 11:24PM

Jayop wrote: »

Pathetic. Are you stalking me around the threads in some poor effort to WUM? Seriously it's tiresome. I've not used the ignore feature but it's getting close.

What are you on about?

The whole "RTE agenda, RTE agenda, RTE agenda, RTE agenda" handwringing is coming from a few who are defending Tyrone.

The issue doesn't revolve around you. Relax.

Jayop · 12-08-2015 11:27PM

Deleted User wrote: »

What are you on about?

The whole "RTE agenda, RTE agenda, RTE agenda, RTE agenda" handwringing is coming from a few who are defending Tyrone.

The issue doesn't revolve around you. Relax.

lol, so you quote me and comment but it doesn't refer to me.

Sound.

The majority of posts regarding RTE have been replies to people who have been incredulous that we could possibly think that.

12-08-2015 11:31PM

Jayop wrote: »

lol, so you quote me and comment but it doesn't refer to me.

Sound.

The majority of posts regarding RTE have been replies to people who have been incredulous that we could possibly think that.

Now, don't get paranoid that I am stalking you just because I am answering one of your many many many posts defending Tyrone in recent days, but people might be incredulous at the suggestion that RTE have an agenda by pointing out that the criticism is hardly limited to RTE.

2moreMinutes · 12-08-2015 11:31PM

Re Canavans comment on the minor match controversy & the Ulster council investigation into it: "there will be legal consequences to follow on the back of the accusations that were made".

Not entirely sure what he's on about here. A more cynical person than myself may say it's simply to deflect away from the issue.

Royal Legend · 12-08-2015 11:35PM

2moreMinutes wrote: »

Re Canavans comment on the minor match controversy & the Ulster council investigation into it: "there will be legal consequences to follow on the back of the accusations that were made".

Not entirely sure what he's on about here. A more cynical person than myself may say it's simply to deflect away from the issue.

Sounds a bit OTT that it might go legal.

Jayop · 12-08-2015 11:36PM

2moreMinutes wrote: »

Re Canavans comment on the minor match controversy & the Ulster council investigation into it: "there will be legal consequences to follow on the back of the accusations that were made".

Not entirely sure what he's on about here. A more cynical person than myself may say it's simply to deflect away from the issue.

It's possible and would be disappointing.

12-08-2015 11:36PM

Royal Legend wrote: »

Sounds a bit OTT that it might go legal.

It would be an interesting development, get it all out in the open (eventually), who supposedly said what, who is telling porkies etc.

The unfortunate aspect would be forcing the player to go through the issue.

Jayop · 12-08-2015 11:37PM

Royal Legend wrote: »

Sounds a bit OTT that it might go legal.

On the one hand, if it actually didn't happen (unlikely) and they have some way of proving it (almost impossible) then you could fully understand it as a young lads name will have been dragged though the mud in the worst way for nothing.

TCDStudent1 · 12-08-2015 11:38PM

JRant wrote: »

The real winner here is Jim Gavin. All this talk of Tyrone's behaviour, can Kerry win another AI, will Mayo finally win one and all the while the Dubs will be quietly going about their business.

Less of a shīte I could give about McCann or Kerry for that matter. The real interest for me is can we stop AOS and who will win the battle between our half forwards and Mayo's half backs.

Probably the 2 best players in the country will be on display in AOS and Dermo.

I just hope the ref is completely anonymous but given how poor we've been refed so far this championship I'm not holding out much hope.

This is going to be intriguing. I still think Donegal were probably better suited to dealing with him than anybody so its gonna be curious what Dublin do.

Happyman42 · 12-08-2015 11:59PM

Jayop wrote: »

Here, reading clearly isn't your strong suit so this was posted 4 down from the post you quoted.

Am I in denial?

As for what you didn't say at all, you replied to the following post;

with this;

So you quoted a post where the whole point of it was saying that Monaghan were at the dirty play long before Tyrone by completely blanking that point and complaining again about Tyrone in the last 10 minutes.

What conclusion am I to draw from this other than you either don't think Monaghan were guilty of starting the crap or that you think they did and you don't care and just want to complain about Tyrone.

Monaghan where not at dirty play long before anyone, it was a typical Ulster game with two sides giving as good as they got.
Tyrone though (and this is where the controversy is) orchestrated a period of closing down the game when Monaghan looked like having a comeback. McCann's acting was the cherry on top.

Now you guys in Tyrone can either decide to do something about your image or draw the drawbridge up further. Quite simple. Not the first time a county had an awful reputation and changed the route it was taking.
Has to come from within though.

Jayop · 13-08-2015 12:01AM

Happyman42 wrote: »

Monaghan where not at dirty play long before anyone, it was a typical Ulster game with two sides giving as good as they got.
Tyrone though (and this is where the controversy is) orchestrated a period of closing down the game when Monaghan looked like having a comeback. McCann's acting was the cherry on top.

Now you guys in Tyrone can either decide to do something about your image or draw the drawbridge up further. Quite simple. Not the first time a county had an awful reputation and changed the route it was taking.
Has to come from within though.

Well my friend, that's where we differ in opinion. No big deal, you're entitled to your, admittedly wrong, opinion, and I'm entitled to my rose tinted but otherwise infallible opinion.

Edit: Having read the post you quoted now (I presume), do you still think I'm in denial?

Happyman42 · 13-08-2015 12:07AM

Jayop wrote: »

Well my friend, that's where we differ in opinion. No big deal, you're entitled to your, admittedly wrong, opinion, and I'm entitled to my rose tinted but otherwise infallible opinion.

Edit: Having read the post you quoted now (I presume), do you still think I'm in denial?

I think you may be in denial about the need for Tyrone to do something and fast.

BonnieSituation · 13-08-2015 08:47AM

DoctaDee wrote: »

Not quite .. the Sean Cavanagh incident was received by the outraged masses in much a similar vein ...

It developed in a similar vein alright. But this incident is no where near the severity of that and yet it's being dragged out even more than Seanín's.

Whether people care to admit it or not .. their moral compass points firmly north with regards to the perceived ills of the game, and at times it's duly warranted, but it's far from a monopoly.

This is the thing alright. On the head.

It winds me up no end when I see people talk about "Northern football" as if it is some catch all term.

The 2008 Tyrone team and the 2012 Donegal team played some of the greatest football ever imho.

Sure there's a definite thread that runs to Ulster football, but when it's dismissed so easily it shows the lack of insight and intelligence and ability to analyse it. One of the few reasons why I still like Brolly.

If anyone re-watched the 2011 SF between Dublin and Donegal (and I know you have Docta), you would have seen one of the most fascinating tactical battles of the decade. It was awful in real-time when I was there. But my appreciation and respect for Donegal and Jimmy grew after I watched it again (several times).

In the last 2 showpiece finals

2014 - Kerry ran down the clock with Buckley getting a black, BJK kicking the ball off the tee and JOD feigning injury

NEVER!

2013 - My own lads ran down the clock with Kevin McMenamon rugby tackling a Mayo player and Ger Brennan acting the maggot slowing the play also.

This is another thing that melts my head that these antics are solely the preserve of Uladh and that Kerry (and I single them out as I have never heard a Dub state a blind ignorance of our gamesmanship) are these virtuous exponents of the hallowed game. Bollocks. They do what they have to do to win. Amd they're bloody good at it (that hurt).

You don't win friends with salad as it were.

If we didn't have a Tyrone poster here contributing we'd have lashed Tyrone for 3 or 4 pages and let it sink to the bottom of the pile. The fact that we have an alternative opinion coming back the other way is largely fulfilling as far as debate goes - maybe that should be respected a bit more than what it seems at least to me is happening here.. just my 2 cents or (pence) ..

In fairness there has been a clear Ulster (and some of Dublin) vs the rest vibe in here. Fair dues to Jayop for keeping on topic in his posts. I would have lost the head by now.

TCDStudent1 wrote: »

This is going to be intriguing. I still think Donegal were probably better suited to dealing with him than anybody so its gonna be curious what Dublin do.

Ah now, talking football in a football forum, what are ya like? :P

keane2097 wrote: »

Wat?

I was referring to Woolly as mentioned in your quoted post. Not your goodself.

keane2097 wrote:

Wooly said on off the Ball this evening that he retweeted someone's joke about the incident that evening and that it was the sort of joke that wouldn't have indicated any sense of remorse if you know what I mean.

I didn't see it myself but I might dig around at some stage.

Referencing remorse I thought was a bit much from Woolly.

keane2097 · 13-08-2015 09:01AM

I'm sorry I don't actually understand what you're trying to say?

Does Colm Parkinson have something in his past where the very notion of him now referencing other sports people being potentially sorry or apologetic for things they have done is out of bounds? I'm trying to think of a transgression that would fit that statement but it seems absurb.

I'm beyond tired of this poisoning the well **** that goes on in every GAA discussion to be quite honest. Oh Colm O'Rourke can't talk Meath were dirty, oh Ciaran Wheldon can't talk he was a tramp, oh nobody in Kerry can talk because Pat Spillane and poisoned eagles. Now if I'm following the point Colm Parkinson can't talk because... I dunno some other thing.

Tyrone jerseys not needed for playing the man rather than the ball here.

bruschi · 13-08-2015 09:05AM

Jayop wrote: »

I'm not saying he did. My point is that if it was something truly worthy of comment we'd all know what it was instead of some half chinese whispers. My point about the Meath goalie getting abuse was that once he said something it was retweeted and reported all over the shop. Given that McCann is public enemy No1, if he did post something on twitter then someone somewhere would have a retweet or a screen shot, or at the very least some sort of a rough summation of what he said.

I saw the tweet myself, and he changed his cover picture later on. Excuse my memory on it, but the tweet went along the lines of:

"If you knew Tiernan McCann and how highly he values his hair, then its no surprise that he fell to the ground"

His cover picture was a quote from Joyce, I think, which said (and again, slightly paraphrasing from memory)
"Its better to be talked about than be forgotten"

I think I saw a screen shot of the Joyce image somewhere, will try dig it out. But I can guarantee that he did indeed retweet the joke about his hair, whether you want to believe me or not.

edit: found the tweet he retweeted:
Unreal performance from Tyrone, anyone who knows how much @teemccann values his hair will completely understand his reaction ��
https://twitter.com/ConanGrug8/status/630057993833447424

and you can see where people were talking to him after he retweeted it and engaged with them.

and this was his cover pic on Sunday night. Wilde, not Joyce.

Jayop · 13-08-2015 09:27AM

Cheers for digging that out. Not great but not too bad either. I'm sure loads will call it a disgrace but what can you do about that?

BonnieSituation · 13-08-2015 09:30AM

keane2097 wrote: »

I'm sorry I don't actually understand what you're trying to say?

Does Colm Parkinson have something in his past where the very notion of him now referencing other sports people being potentially sorry or apologetic for things they have done is out of bounds? I'm trying to think of a transgression that would fit that statement but it seems absurb.

I'm beyond tired of this poisoning the well **** that goes on in every GAA discussion to be quite honest. Oh Colm O'Rourke can't talk Meath were dirty, oh Ciaran Wheldon can't talk he was a tramp, oh nobody in Kerry can talk because Pat Spillane and poisoned eagles. Now if I'm following the point Colm Parkinson can't talk because... I dunno some other thing.

Tyrone jerseys not needed for playing the man rather than the ball here.

I really think you're jumping the gun here.

I'm merely saying that Parkinson calling for remorse is a bit much. I mean it wasn't like McCann killed anyone.

I would be saying the same if Spillane or O'Rourke or Canning or Morrissey called for remorse as well. It's nothing specific to Woolly.

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