The 2015 All Ireland Senior Football Championship

gizmo23 · 11-08-2015 10:59AM

Oh well look at ye having bar stool fans well la de da ... Try being a Wexford football fan we don't even have regular fans

Grueller · 11-08-2015 11:17AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

It just goes to show how pervasive his cult of playing dirty has become the norm in Tyrone.

Either that or across underage teams and clubs, they all spontaneously decided that spitting, eye gouging, insults about dead fathers, subs benches emptying to join fights, diving, punching and so on was the right way to play the game.

Ya because one man has such influence. I don't believe that tyrone are that much worse than any other county as stated on here, but if they are it is not just one man who has caused it.

Jayop · 11-08-2015 11:25AM

Anyone know a bar in the San Fran Bay Area that shows games live, especially in the San matteo area?

I'm over there for the first semi and in Vegas for the second.

11-08-2015 11:35AM

Grueller wrote: »

Ya because one man has such influence.

If successful, absolutely. Like O'Dwyer, Boylan and others whose influence extended far beyond the team they handled, in their cases even transcended counties.

The alternative is just illogical, that within the space of a few years lots of club teams and underage teams and senior teams in one particular county decided that the snide stuff, as opposed to just the physical side, was part of the game. I mean, when you have former inter county players shaking their heads at the abuse and intimidation by minors from that county, there must be a reason. It's hardly genetic.

DoctaDee · 11-08-2015 11:36AM

yop wrote: »

Barstoolers in any county are the same, if they had a real interest in the team they would go to the games, the same lads have wonderful opinions on all topics.

That's the great thing supporting the Dubs .. you can barstool then walk down the Clonliffe at 4.15 and catch the last hour of the match

yop · 11-08-2015 12:18PM

DoctaDee wrote: »

That's the great thing supporting the Dubs .. you can barstool then walk down the Clonliffe at 4.15 and catch the last hour of the match

Thats my point exactly ha ha.....

**I'm kidding btw!

major deegan · 11-08-2015 02:30PM

bbbbbbbbb4 wrote: »

mayo for sam

Kerry will be hard to beat in the final by the looks of things!!!

Peist2007 · 11-08-2015 02:31PM

homerjay2005 wrote: »

the Donaghy "braying" went on for all of 5 seconds. we will be hearing about Mayos win for 5 decades.

Stop embarrassing yourself, good lad.

Peist2007 · 11-08-2015 02:36PM

major deegan wrote: »

Kerry will be hard to beat in the final by the looks of things!!!

Kerry wont even get to the final. Last year was the worst Kerry team i have ever seen win an All Ireland in my lifetime. There are a lot of cracks in this Kerry team. I think Tyrone will turn them over.

D'Agger · 11-08-2015 03:20PM

Peist2007 wrote: »

Kerry wont even get to the final. Last year was the worst Kerry team i have ever seen win an All Ireland in my lifetime. There are a lot of cracks in this Kerry team. I think Tyrone will turn them over.

I love hearing this because, as a Kerryman, that was my favourite AI win, in my lifetime. Nothing was expected of Kerry, down alot of players, the stalwarts left weren't going well, the young players didn't look up to it in the league, Kerry were transitioning, it'd be a couple of years. And yet this team dismantled Cork in their last game in the Pairc, they ran over Mayo for 30 mins before leaving them back in, played one of the best contests I've seen in recent years in the replay & then completely snuffed out a strong Donegal side who had a much better coach at their disposal last year.

I don't think Tyrone will turn us over, and I say that as a Kerry fan who has respect for Tyrone, given how difficult an opponent they've been for us over the past decade. This Kerry team, current AI champions, once again have fúck all expected of them on account of winning an 'easy' All Ireland, would love to win another this year, if only to hear people trying to rationalize how a team so apparently poor could do a two in a row :pac:

Jayop · 11-08-2015 03:32PM

D'Agger wrote: »

I love hearing this because, as a Kerryman, that was my favourite AI win, in my lifetime. Nothing was expected of Kerry, down alot of players, the stalwarts left weren't going well, the young players didn't look up to it in the league, Kerry were transitioning, it'd be a couple of years. And yet this team dismantled Cork in their last game in the Pairc, they ran over Mayo for 30 mins before leaving them back in, played one of the best contests I've seen in recent years in the replay & then completely snuffed out a strong Donegal side who had a much better coach at their disposal last year.

I don't think Tyrone will turn us over, and I say that as a Kerry fan who has respect for Tyrone, given how difficult an opponent they've been for us over the past decade. This Kerry team, current AI champions, once again have fúck all expected of them on account of winning an 'easy' All Ireland, would love to win another this year, if only to hear people trying to rationalize how a team so apparently poor could do a two in a row :pac:

Kerry go into this game as massive favourites in most peoples eyes. Not that the weight of expectation has done ye any harm in the past.

Kerry 3/10
Tyrone 7/2

Some difference.

D'Agger · 11-08-2015 03:36PM

Jayop wrote: »

Kerry go into this game as massive favourites in most peoples eyes. Not that the weight of expectation has done ye any harm in the past.

Kerry 3/10
Tyrone 7/2

Some difference.

Sure that's only because Tyrone will be tired from the Monaghan game & the preceeding weeks :pac:

Jayop · 11-08-2015 03:38PM

D'Agger wrote: »

Sure that's only because Tyrone will be tired from the Monaghan game & the preceeding weeks :pac:

Nah. We got plenty of rest when the lads were lying on the pitch wasting time.

The odds are so stacked in Kerry's favour because of the Kildare game. If ye had won that by 5/6 points the odds would be much closer.

Peist2007 · 11-08-2015 03:40PM

D'Agger wrote: »

I love hearing this because, as a Kerryman, that was my favourite AI win, in my lifetime. Nothing was expected of Kerry, down alot of players, the stalwarts left weren't going well, the young players didn't look up to it in the league, Kerry were transitioning, it'd be a couple of years. And yet this team dismantled Cork in their last game in the Pairc, they ran over Mayo for 30 mins before leaving them back in, played one of the best contests I've seen in recent years in the replay & then completely snuffed out a strong Donegal side who had a much better coach at their disposal last year.

I don't think Tyrone will turn us over, and I say that as a Kerry fan who has respect for Tyrone, given how difficult an opponent they've been for us over the past decade. This Kerry team, current AI champions, once again have fúck all expected of them on account of winning an 'easy' All Ireland, would love to win another this year, if only to hear people trying to rationalize how a team so apparently poor could do a two in a row :pac:

I think your post doesnt necessarily disprove my point. You enjoyed it more because, let's face it, you didnt see them winning. And the Gods were kind to Eamonn Fitzmaurice last year. He had no interest in Donaghy at full forward until he threw him in there with 7/8 minutes left of the drawn all ireland semi.

major deegan · 11-08-2015 03:54PM

Peist2007 wrote: »

Kerry wont even get to the final. Last year was the worst Kerry team i have ever seen win an All Ireland in my lifetime. There are a lot of cracks in this Kerry team. I think Tyrone will turn them over.

Nah, Kerry-Dublin final.Tyrone not at the level of these at all!

Jayop · 11-08-2015 03:55PM

major deegan wrote: »

Nah, Kerry-Dublin final.Tyrone not at the level of these at all!

Don't really think we know that to be fair. Kerry are rightly strong favourites this year but this is the firs time they'll have been truly tested this summer.

D'Agger · 11-08-2015 03:59PM

Peist2007 wrote: »

I think your post doesnt necessarily disprove my point. You enjoyed it more because, let's face it, you didnt see them winning. And the Gods were kind to Eamonn Fitzmaurice last year. He had no interest in Donaghy at full forward until he threw him in there with 7/8 minutes left of the drawn all ireland semi.

No intention on disproving, was discussing - I think you're wrong about it being the worst team tbqh and whatever about the gods - I'm fairly certain Fitz had Kerry practicing balls into Star, on the off chance that they were chasing a late goal - put the Munster final replay this year against Cork into mind - Alan O'Connor went in FF for the last 10mins and did the sum total of fúck all - because it wasn't practiced.

I don't think last years team was the worst Kerry team to win an AI, same way I don't think it was luck or rolling of the dice by Fitz that had Donnaghy in at FF last year.

Duffy the Vampire Slayer · 11-08-2015 04:12PM

I think Mayo barstoolers are among the worst, they're perpetually negative and also have an unhealthy fondness for bull**** rumours. I'm glad I don't have to listen to their nonsense anymore.

Grueller · 11-08-2015 06:39PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

If successful, absolutely. Like O'Dwyer, Boylan and others whose influence extended far beyond the team they handled, in their cases even transcended counties.

The alternative is just illogical, that within the space of a few years lots of club teams and underage teams and senior teams in one particular county decided that the snide stuff, as opposed to just the physical side, was part of the game. I mean, when you have former inter county players shaking their heads at the abuse and intimidation by minors from that county, there must be a reason. It's hardly genetic.

I think that all of this blame on harte is a result of greater media coverage. Up until shortly before hartes reign started we only got to see tyrone on television once in a blue moon due to lack of coverage. This could be happening, and probably is for years. I am not saying that I like tyrones antics but to blame harte solely is rubbish imo.

Fr Tod Umptious · 11-08-2015 10:39PM

major deegan wrote: »

Nah, Kerry-Dublin final.Tyrone not at the level of these at all!

Tyrone will cause problems for Kerry.

It will be the best defense they have meet to date.

Given the fact that JOD has at best a dodgy shoulder, and at worst will be out altogether does not help Kerry's cause.
Plus Tyrone will waste no time targeting that shoulder if he is playing.

Donaghey was a late withdrawal in the QF, he would be very handy for Kerry as a target man to beat the blanket defence, but his health is not assured either.

On the flip side I have no idea how good Tyrone are up front, they scored with some ease v Monaghan but Monaghan were poor.

At the end of the day I'd expect Kerry to win it but they may struggle at times.

Jayop · 11-08-2015 10:50PM

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Tyrone will cause problems for Kerry.

It will be the best defense they have meet to date.

Given the fact that JOD has at best a dodgy shoulder, and at worst will be out altogether does not help Kerry's cause.
Plus Tyrone will waste no time targeting that shoulder if he is playing.

Donaghey was a late withdrawal in the QF, he would be very handy for Kerry as a target man to beat the blanket defence, but his health is not assured either.

On the flip side I have no idea how good Tyrone are up front, they scored with some ease v Monaghan but Monaghan were poor.

At the end of the day I'd expect Kerry to win it but they may struggle at times.

I posted this in the Tyrone thread, may as well whack it in here.

Not really sure tbh how this will go. We have a very good idea where Tyrone are but we still don't know just how good Kerry are. They destroyed Kildare, but Kildare just gave up after they started to fall behind so it's not really a good indicator.

Like any game against a big side we need to get a great start and keep it going. No lapses in concentration and hopefully no injuries/blacks to key players.

Kerry have conceded the following in the championship;
Kildare 0-10
Cork 1-06
Cork 3-12
Tipp 2-08

Their defence hasn't been amazing, especially at stopping goals going in.

In contrast we've conceded the following;
Monaghan 0-14
Sligo 0-14
Tipp 0-07
Meath 0-11
Limerick 0-08
Donegal 1-13

Apart from the goal against Donegal we've been rock solid a the back and even that was from a rebounded block iirc.

Tyrone really do need to go for goal, but with out running style every time we get within 30 we'll be fouled and will have to settle for the point. I'm genuinely worried now at how the reffing of the game will go. By rights the game should be reffed on it's own merit but in reality almost every ref will have seen the furore over Duffy and will be afraid to be seen to be giving 'soft' free's to Tyrone.

Tyrone are averaging just under 17 points a game, Kerry just under 23 but bear in mind that includes the Kildare game where they hit 37 in one match so the stats are skewed.

In the last 3 games we've managed to look very good going forward. Quick in moving the ball though the hands, good runs off the shoulder and finding space inside for the right men to take their points. My biggest worry is that we don't commit as many men to the attack as we have done. If we don't commit men then we're just going to hand the game to Kerry.

It'll be a high scoring game I reckon and Kerry will just edge it by 3/4 points.

BonnieSituation · 12-08-2015 09:54AM

Any one else (barring Tyrone lads) think the 8-week charge for McCann is a little OTT?

http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2015/0812/720713-eight-week-ban-proposed-for-tiernan-mccann/

Scandalous.

Ceist_Beag · 12-08-2015 09:56AM

Posted below over on the dark arts thread, agree Bonnie, completely scandalous.

It is already covered in the rulebook - diving is a yellow card offence - see GAA Rules & Regulations, point 4 under Cautionable Infractions (Yellow Cards) - 4. To attempt to achieve an advantage by feigning a foul or injury.

Introducing a retrospective 8 week ban for a yellow card offence is madness of the highest order and complete populism on behalf of the CCCC, if true! It sets a very dangerous precedent.

bucketybuck · 12-08-2015 09:58AM

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Any one else (barring Tyrone lads) think the 8-week charge for McCann is a little OTT?

http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2015/0812/720713-eight-week-ban-proposed-for-tiernan-mccann/

Scandalous.

I have zero sympathy for him and hope he gets every second of the 8 weeks.

threeball · 12-08-2015 09:58AM

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Any one else (barring Tyrone lads) think the 8-week charge for McCann is a little OTT?

http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2015/0812/720713-eight-week-ban-proposed-for-tiernan-mccann/

Scandalous.

Nope and the more we see of this the better. The level of cheating creeping into the GAA at the moment is alarming. Kids imitate their hero's and pretty soon you'll have young lads up and down the country flinging themselves to the ground left right and centre. It needs to be absolutely eradicated now and this is the only way it can be done as managers won't tackle the problems themselves.

robbiezero · 12-08-2015 10:00AM

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Any one else (barring Tyrone lads) think the 8-week charge for McCann is a little OTT?

http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2015/0812/720713-eight-week-ban-proposed-for-tiernan-mccann/

Scandalous.

Stupid, inconsistent thing to do at the end of the season where similar behaviour has already occurred without sanction. Would surely be quashed with any sort of decent appeal.
Would not mind seeing some hard sanctions brought in for this sort of behaviour where the referee does not deal with it adequately, but only at the start of the season.

Ceist_Beag · 12-08-2015 10:04AM

bucketybuck wrote: »

I have zero sympathy for him and hope he gets every second of the 8 weeks.

What you think isn't really relevant though. Rules are rules and what he did is already covered in the rule book. There is no place for the CCCC in acting like this at the AI semi final stage. As robbie said, if there is a concern here, bring in a new rule at the start of next season. Hitting a lad with an 8 week ban for a yellow card offence, no matter how pathetic the offence is, is just not on and a terrible decision by the CCCC. I fully expect Tyrone to vigorously fight this but it's completely unfair that their preparations for an AI semi final are now disrupted by this carry on.

threeball · 12-08-2015 10:04AM

Ceist_Beag wrote: »

Posted below over on the dark arts thread, agree Bonnie, completely scandalous.

It is already covered in the rulebook - diving is a yellow card offence - see GAA Rules & Regulations, point 4 under Cautionable Infractions (Yellow Cards) - 4. To attempt to achieve an advantage by feigning a foul or injury.

Introducing a retrospective 8 week ban for a yellow card offence is madness of the highest order and complete populism on behalf of the CCCC, if true! It sets a very dangerous precedent.

No diving to the ground like your shot in a blatant attempt to get an opponent red carded is a dangerous precedent. Do you want the games to end up like soccer with lads flailing around at every touch.
Mourinhio just basically suspended a physio for doing her job and blamed her for losing them 2 points because she was attending to a player who was feigning injury. He did not even attempt to castigate the player who had failed his team and left them with 9 men. That's where we're heading unless this is stamped out.

Ceist_Beag · 12-08-2015 10:07AM

threeball wrote: »

No diving to the ground like your shot in a blatant attempt to get an opponent red carded is a dangerous precedent. Do you want the games to end up like soccer with lads flailing around at every touch.
Mourinhio just basically suspended a physio for doing her job and blamed her for losing them 2 points because she was attending to a player who was feigning injury. He did not even attempt to castigate the player who had failed his team and left them with 9 men. That's where we're heading unless this is stamped out.

See my post above. Personal distaste for what happened should not trump over the rulebook. Rules are there for a reason - so that players know the boundaries.

threeball · 12-08-2015 10:10AM

Ceist_Beag wrote: »

See my post above. Personal distaste for what happened should not trump over the rulebook. Rules are there for a reason - so that players know the boundaries.

This was brought under the bringing the games into disrepute rule, which while not a match day rule, is still a rule of the association and must be adhered to.

The 2015 All Ireland Senior Football Championship

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