Cork GAA Discussion Thread

Well that just shows how down in the dumps Cork football is.

Cork football a shambles. Kerry have the All Ireland in the bag.

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

No team fears Cork, but that's not my point. Seeing Kildare being this poor shows how bad Cork were last week

That is my point. Because Kildare didn't fear cork they were happy to attack them and were justified in doing so.
Until Cork start beating big teams in the championship all division 2 and 3 teams will be happy to play them and believe they'll win

Amprodude wrote: »

Dublin only team with the resources to challenge Kerry but Kerry would still beat them. Who will Kerry play in the semi?

Monaghan or Tyrone. I fancy Mayo to win the AI this year beating Kerry in the final.

cantwbr1 wrote: »

You asked how did Kildare beat cork. Kildare went into that match without fear based on Corks performance since 2010. They've beaten no one of note. Kerry on the other hand have beaten numerous big teams and are a team to be feared

Your spot on and your correct Kildare never truth ever thought beat kerry but Cork knew were extremely beatable
All year long I said it i said after false false dawns drawn kerry team cork were awful and I said Kildare were awful team and today proved that and Cork just bad but Kildare better coach than cork not great

I said this last week here and kerry thread kerry would destroy Kildare second gear
It's some laugh hear fitzmaurice saying kerry could loose Kildare two days ago
In fairness over time you do have to applaud admire the kerry yerra


Reason kerry beat Kildare was unlikely cork had midfield win possession and had creative kick passing half forward line attacked creative guile fast flowing movement cork haven't done in six years since Tyrone all ireland semi final


Tommy carr said it kerry didn't have focus cork game and Cork got them cold and kerry today beat awful Kildare but Kildare show poor cork was
Commentator said ah cork unlucky penalty but carr thankfully brought realism table said yes that true but he said kerry had minds off cork when cork failed push on showed once off

I said this about cork draw was one off
Kerry proved how bad Kildare were today and second gear and had another pop cork in saying look what we done team destroyed ye


Course fitzmaurice if kerry win all ireland will say cork tough team faced draw game should lost cork there just rubbing salt wounds

Course naive fans would belive this nonsense
Kerry won't hammer Dublin not Dublin hammer kerry either
It would be close
Donegal who look tired team brilliant coached and once not tired should beat mayo over rated
This year and have not been tested

Galway for hour yesterday showed lot do but progress made and with curran and flynn have midfield and inexperienced vital times cost them but with young team Galway next year be dangerous
There is nothing in the top four worry cork outside that next year
Cork should aim to be top four

Sullivan is being postive as he wants minor job and it seems he's front runner get it
Clare game I don't know what he brings up could won when truth dominated two games

He says cork cusp greatness is following on not be negative weeks ago
He's comments come timings job available so let's keep it in perspective

Rock superb player but done nothing with under sixteen or any success coaching and worry is he goes in bring Ronan dwayne who while commitment and good intermediate this year over all coaching not great record you would have to wonder are they the best men for the minor

If ring goes part Hartnett would be better having won county under twenty one midelton
A very valid point was raised for all ring success minor in should beat limerick two years results still not winning so while I rate ring i understand some questions him on results
It's valid
The football next year is going to be kerry Dublin
Donegal every year more mileage club
Mayo you feel when loose this year will be transition
Galway should be top four
There's golden opportunity for cork football next year to be top four
As regards Walsh article it was a good piece in the times
He rightly so praised cuthbhertt for great work development squads
As I said cuthbhertt should be involved administration and he should be over cork under age development squads or involved in structure cork gaa
Cuthbhertt has good skills just coaching wasn't one of them
He should not be lost to cork gaa
He's ideal over see a project over time period

Rightwing wrote: »

But weren't you the man telling us on the Limerick thread that JBM was going to achieve 3 in a row. When I saw that I said this post is either genius or half-wit stuff. I knew the answer when Cork failed to beat a very average Clare team in '13.

I wouldn't like to see JBM go out in this fashion, a drubbing by Galway who luckily shot 23 wides on the day. I agree with you about TJ Ryan, like JBM, a very nice chap but tactically not the best.

As for the your footballers, they were very unlucky this year, could easily have got to the AI. And I don't think the hurlers are nowhere near as bad as last week, so certainly not all doom and gloom. If every county had a Donal og Cusack complaining on Rte we'd get no match analysis, just attacks on county boards.

Three in row in what

Show me the post please
How could jbm do three row all ireland or munster even when only had one
I never once mentioned three rows
I don't rate munster hurling championship as main prize and all ireland felt doing one great never once not once say cork three row

You should change your user name to ramblesontoomuch.

Rightwing wrote: »

They've got the tough route though, Donegal/Dublin/Kerry. No one would begrudge them if they do it.

I wouldn't begrudge Mayo the All-Ireland but they've got a brutal draw. I can't see them winning all 3 of those. I can't see them beating Kerry in the final either if it came to that so don't think this Year will be their Year.

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

He does and he doesn't

He says it as he knows it can't be denied but puts onus back clubs when some barely have funds run themselves and unfair ask ask them more

Kavanagh called board invest more as have money
Rock didn't really
Cork has the money in fairness
He's commitment and passion can't be questioned
But as proven other managers you need more manage

Were now in nearly four years of the twenty
At best we win all ireland three years but need right manager

Cusp greatness is not realistic but rock you see wants be one speaking out against this doom gloom cork hurling as be seen leading voice
No one likes being negative but kk with minors coming up and cody still there kk miles ahead cork absoultey miles ahead
Saving grace is other counties different reasons next few years may not drive on Cork good manager could be on the same level
But to beat kk we have no logic to even think about that at present


You see the rock instead saying cusp greatness could done cork huge favour by using he's articles paper say cork club scene hurling needs change and referee standard in particular and should backed meyler comments on referring cork


Meyler who was pro board strikes you have admire he's coaching record but fair play he said needed said Cork club scene to be changed
The rock seems attuide things are not bad as they seem when yes might get credit some people but truth is lot problem cork hurling still

Cusack isn't liked by many and no denying that he's not always right and has own agendas
However what he said last week was right and certainly by talk two board members close resign in paper shows some now maybe challenge executive way dealing cork gaa no bad thing in itself
We all want cork gaa be better but saying things fine then when there not won't change things

We seemed to produce better players at U21 level than Kerry in the last decade but Kerry seem much better at developing their U21's to Senior Level.

We had a great U21 side in 2011 but have lost the 2 best players - Walsh and Sheehan. Cahalane is lost to Hurling too and Jamie Wall to such a tragic illness. Clancy, O Rourke, Collins, O Driscoll and Hodnett have made the squad - O Laoire and Alan Cronin didn't quite make the grade.

8 made the senior squad but only 5 remain.
Kerry got 9/10 from their 2011 side but it seems that their development has been greater.

We haven't got things right in coaching or tactics since 2010 - the challenge is even greater now as we have a huge bridge to gap to get to Mayo and Donegals level - Kerry and Dublin look to be at an even slightly higher level again. Donegal, Kerry and Dublin seem to have it pretty right in terms of preparation - we don't know yet whether Mayo's management is good enough but a solid foundation was in place.

It'll be very interesting to see what information, if any, we get on the discord at CB executive level. Lane and Kennedy seem to be progressive but can they swim against the tide of stooges and yes men ? Frank won't be pleased by Kennedy's tweets and may well have asked a stooge to express this. He's probably oblivious to the fact that most informed opinion holds him accountable for the shameful neglect of underage development.

slingerz wrote: »

After watching those games today does anyone reckon that a blanket attack is the way to beat the blanket defence. Loading a team with forward minded players to play the game in the opponents half would have to yield benefits. A group of forwards committed to applying intense pressure in the opposition half of the field would overcome this fad in football IMO

It's an excellent point
And v kerry in the under twenty one this year when kerry played a sweeper cork at one stage played seven to force them out
Its got to be practiced and refined and not just numbers for the sake of it

Gary Neville wrote: »

We seemed to produce better players at U21 level than Kerry in the last decade but Kerry seem much better at developing their U21's to Senior Level.

We had a great U21 side in 2011 but have lost the 2 best players - Walsh and Sheehan. Cahalane is lost to Hurling too and Jamie Wall to such a tragic illness. Clancy, O Rourke, Collins, O Driscoll and Hodnett have made the squad - O Laoire and Alan Cronin didn't quite make the grade.

8 made the senior squad but only 5 remain.
Kerry got 9/10 from their 2011 side but it seems that their development has been greater.

We haven't got things right in coaching or tactics since 2010 - the challenge is even greater now as we have a huge bridge to gap to get to Mayo and Donegals level - Kerry and Dublin look to be at an even slightly higher level again. Donegal, Kerry and Dublin seem to have it pretty right in terms of preparation - we don't know yet whether Mayo's management is good enough but a solid foundation was in place.

It'll be very interesting to see what information, if any, we get on the discord at CB executive level. Lane and Kennedy seem to be progressive but can they swim against the tide of stooges and yes men ? Frank won't be pleased by Kennedy's tweets and may well have asked a stooge to express this. He's probably oblivious to the fact that most informed opinion holds him accountable for the shameful neglect of underage development.

With all due respect gary we don't know this - its clear Cuthbert et al are no judges of palyers and there was no coaching worth its salt in this management squad so whether olaoire and alan Cronin are good enough awaits to be seen.
Compare to the obvious coaching and development Kerry are putting in and its possibly Cuthberts worst failing. A good coach who develops the likes of Clancy, hodnett, olaoire, Cronin, Cronin, maceoin, Vaughan, Crowley, hurley and others will have cork back as a top 4 team very quickly, after that who knows.
Unlike the hurling where we have a very limited panel of players, in football there is a very strong panel of good players crying out for direction, coaching and belief........

keep going wrote: »

Personally I I tjink ye lost the run of yerselves with coaching and are looking at the whole problem back to front.any of you that are involved in coaching underage know the real problem is the lack of a proper structure for playing games at all levells thats the problem, there is a huge push to play a few league games early on that usually are competing with the final stages of a soccer or rugby league for players and then there is long breaks during the summer where the games are switched and changed according to the playing commitment s of a few good players.so enevitably you end up with the summer passing and very few games played.then there is a big rush to get the chamionship played in probably s##t weather in the autumn.not saying for one second coaching is not important but the bottom line is its about playing not training and young lads have other choices now maybe its different in some divisions but how can you see players developing if they are not playing games enough.expecting coaches with inter county teams to coach teams out of nothing when you havent been building from the bottom up is just nuts

Of course playing is important but it's absolutely useless now let's be honest if you play hundred games etc quality coaching bad or games etc

Cork senior football team played challenge and league lots games could played hundred more wouldn't made blind bit of difference in coaching system way off


Monaghan and fermanagh yes monaghan won ulster three years ago minor and Donegal got minor all ireland final but no huge success more than cork but they had o rourke and McGrath good coaches

You need to actually realise all team left quality coaches are stand out
Monaghan have o rourke
Tyrone had harte
Mayo still remain be convinced but great donie Buckley there
Dublin Gavin
Kerry fitzmaurice and o Neill
Donegal Gallagher
All proven good coaches or management
You hitting a point but your with respect way off in the under estimation of value of training from top quality coaches
I seen over two years cork senior football train and I said it many times my opinion coaching was way off drill but more importantly the intensity etc
Watch cork ladies football train nothing hugely scientific but intensity is magnificent and basic worked on

Coaching is absolutely paramount and the biggest factor any team success in yes you need talent but coaching will get everything out team
Good coaching gets team over or least achieve what should
Poor coaching a team under achieves
That's is essentially the bottom line as you call it in simple terms

sean mac wrote: »

With all due respect gary we don't know this - its clear Cuthbert et al are no judges of palyers and there was no coaching worth its salt in this management squad so whether olaoire and alan Cronin are good enough awaits to be seen.
Compare to the obvious coaching and development Kerry are putting in and its possibly Cuthberts worst failing. A good coach who develops the likes of Clancy, hodnett, olaoire, Cronin, Cronin, maceoin, Vaughan, Crowley, hurley and others will have cork back as a top 4 team very quickly, after that who knows.
Unlike the hurling where we have a very limited panel of players, in football there is a very strong panel of good players crying out for direction, coaching and belief........

Outstanding post sean outstanding logic as always
Sean what would you make of cleary English combination

Anyone read the independent yesterday regards Sweeney in he's words were cuthbhertt cork under him put up more ugly landmarks than Dublin corporation

Words are bit harsh to be fair bit sweeny was right
He also be fair said from day one this wouldn't work
He's headline was just admit you got it wrong
In the board made wrong appointment
He correctly said clearly of not offered job means board are appointed anyone bar clearly and won't admit got wrong last time
Sweeny was right and honest say cork should won more under twenty one but least cleary over time got best out him


One problem I wrote time Cork all ireland final v Galway was cork no full back and cahalane wasn't one but cleary no other option
He cleaned out by varley for the goal from Galway but he played well but Cork senior full back options

Clearly day one I was against dualism despite nonsense absoultey nononenss some here cuthbhertt had to try dualism he had to review it etc etc sweeny was right once he allowed dualism showed he lacked ruthless edge to success management

He's right talks misguided management are wrong bring outside man when only two in 50 years won all ireland title

He mentioned all the huge losses in great detail
Yes it not nice to read and people will probably say he's being harsh but that's he's job in he's sport writer and you look results everything he said hard to disagree with him


One point he's wrong he said no cork hurler long future team
Ellis Harnedy lehane etc do

Denis Walsh made great point in paper also and he's right cuthbhertt brilliant development squads
Problem was in cork fella get job they want not job skill set are good for
Cuthbhertt has be involved administration as he's good development squads but management inter county no
If he wants to reinvent himself coaching he needs to go to a club and prove himself over the next five years as be fair he hasn't proven himself as a coach

Diarmuid Donovan sweeny said put down hurling famine bad luck
He's great gaa man and father before him but this is typical typical Donovan
He's consistent views
He's same fella minor were poorly coached yet cleary had same bunch under twenty one winners all ireland
He same fella wrote article echo I posted serval times here that getting around two players win senior all ireland every twelve years so from minor team should be really judge of minor success
With respect this is nononenss absoultey nononenss
Always any team will produce senior players but it's develop core them in successful environment is key imo
Donovan is great football man and when cork played Dublin all ireland hurling semi final he be fair travelling team cork junior football team away lime light to London as played all ireland junior football semi final
He's heart is in right place and deserves be in cork gaa but Cork board need surrounding people with ruthless attuide winning and none this ah bad luck, we will be good next year Cork football no given right winning all ireland every twenty years etc

I said this time and time again in all my posting time here attuide is single biggest thing has changed cork gaa
When it does and Cork demands expect more everything else will fall in to place as attuide sets the standard
Sweeney was right now no fans cares who right or wrong strikes in all want do is forget past move on
The senior and minors appointment will with the board events in the forthcoming weeks tells us indeed if we are changing in cork gaa


The board can't just jump ship either and to please fans give sean og and rock etc big appointment just please pro strike fans
If that happens all you doing is replicating the same failed attuide of the ex ninety men in kennelling Fitzgerald Walsh etc in appointment ex great players no coaching record


Halpin deane etc need be involved from under fourteen up and at camps but should have work way up before they get big jobs


Rock shouldn't be put in Minor cause he's the rock
Should get it if proven in coaching to say he can progress to the next level
My great fear is in cork gaa board are still underestimated the true value great coaching brings a team

As sean said Cork senior football had no direction coaching or leader ship from the line

No point in going in to it now but what happened after drawn game with three players being dropped and one from the panel for discipline reason means no structure within either and things never that great as if we're beating kerry things should been crest wave but they weren't
Kerry were given a huge head start on Cork by two lost years but Sean right no reason none at all say cork can't be top four

Word has it cleary will be offered job
Only negations is cleary want he's terms
Cork board are and I said this before are in a weak position due topairc development
It can I'll afford another drama


Cleary if he wants it and isn't offered it whatever reason should run to the paper and bring it public if he's over looked and force board members ask why he's over looked at board level
He remained grace full and quiet last time when he didn't agree with the interview process


Just my opinion but if he's over looked I think he'll talk this time
What we need now is few ex pundits say he's the man
Board are as I said in very weak position and seen by the reluctant nature accept resignation as don't want a drama
People resigning can now demand certain things or they walk
The pairc at least had a good positivity in board need pairc but now club want their own things

Cleary deserves the job imo - whatever people think about him the bottom line is he has been successful at every level he has played at. For those saying he should have won more u21 all Irelands - look at the comparative results for those players as minors........it is so important to get the right team in with him, from what Ii hear james McCarthy also haven seems to be a well regarded coach, as for English maybe, definitely a drven winner again with a RECORD which needs to be considered.
As for diarmuid o Donovan, unfortunately a nice man but this week he has come across very poorly, talking about CUL CAMP numbers ffs as some example of cork on the way back, and as for mentioning 'luck' funny how winners seem to have all the luck???
Minor managers are vital, Ii would hope derek Kavanagh and pat mulcahy are involved in some role, both had the balls to have a cut off the board this week and they were right. I also think there is great credit to Kavanagh for getting so many of the 2010 winning all rieland footballers involved with the development squads, shows these mens ongoing commitment to cork football.
Ii also believe the sponsorship for cork is up this year so big pressure on the ccb to sell a stale product subsumed with negativivty...........I also understand the 'great' pearse murphy has been talking to clubs about the club draw which isn't doing anywhere near as well as people think, hard times for cork gaa ahead, cost overruns already with the white elephant down by the marina.........cleary must insist on everything a proper intercounty panel gets - including training camps abroad if required and staying in propoer hotels on trips away as required, no compromises now unlike the last set up which was the poorest in my memory and I include larrys famous running up and down hills in macroom set up in which players didn't see a football for months

Read this for a heap of ****
http://gaacork.ie/news/363765/statement_issued_by_cork_county_g_a_a_board-brian_cuthbert
I have absolutely no confidence that anything will change