The 2015 All Ireland Senior Football Championship

cj maxx · 26-07-2015 08:37PM

cjmc wrote: »

An aside but if cork had a 6 day turnaround since kerry , if the munster final had been settled first time would the loser have a 13 day break before the kildare game ??

Sorry , assumed donegal and sligo were playing today and cork had an unfair advantage .
Did they get rid of the 6 day turnaround for all losing finalists ?

Hibbeler · 26-07-2015 09:21PM

cjmc wrote: »

Sorry , assumed donegal and sligo were playing today and cork had an unfair advantage .
Did they get rid of the 6 day turnaround for all losing finalists ?

Yes as far as I am aware the whole A and B sides of the qualifier draws were designed specifically to get rid of the 6 day turn around for losing provincial finalists

Dirty Dingus McGee · 26-07-2015 09:38PM

Hibbeler wrote: »

Yes as far as I am aware the whole A and B sides of the qualifier draws were designed specifically to get rid of the 6 day turn around for losing provincial finalists

Cork only had 6 days because there was a replay.Had there been a result the first day there wouldn't have been a 6 day turnaround for any team.

Cheese Wagstaff · 26-07-2015 09:46PM

What's the story with Niall Kelly? He was class the other day, and I distinctly remember him being a key player for Kildare in the league a couple of years back. I remember also him coming on as a sub for Kildare in the last few Championship seasons after this, so he wasn't injured or anything like that.

Clearly the guy is one of Kildare's best fifteen players, so why hasn't he been starting regularly? Just curious.

klairondavis · 26-07-2015 09:51PM

Cheese Wagstaff wrote: »

What's the story with Niall Kelly? He was class the other day, and I distinctly remember him being a key player for Kildare in the league a couple of years back. I remember also him coming on as a sub for Kildare in the last few Championship seasons after this, so he wasn't injured or anything like that.

Clearly the guy is one of Kildare's best fifteen players, so why hasn't he been starting regularly? Just curious.

He was only in his first year out of minor when he made his senior debut in 2013. He played minor for Kildare for three years and won three county minor titles with Athy. He needed a hip operation last year which held him back a bit. This year he tore his hamstring in the Leinster u21 Final.

Cheese Wagstaff · 26-07-2015 09:53PM

klairondavis wrote: »

He was only in his first year out of minor when he made his senior debut in 2013. He played minor for Kildare for three years and won three county minor titles with Athy. He needed a hip operation last year which held him back a bit. This year he tore his hamstring in the Leinster u21 Final.

I see. I was very impressed during that league campaign and last night, he's a quality player. Hopefully we get to see more of the same next week

davegrohl48 · 26-07-2015 10:16PM

klairondavis wrote: »

He was only in his first year out of minor when he made his senior debut in 2013. He played minor for Kildare for three years and won three county minor titles with Athy. He needed a hip operation last year which held him back a bit. This year he tore his hamstring in the Leinster u21 Final.

Shocking to be needing a hip operation at that age. Top class talent. The goal he scored he made look much easier than it was.

davegrohl48 · 26-07-2015 10:24PM

klairondavis wrote: »

He was only in his first year out of minor when he made his senior debut in 2013. He played minor for Kildare for three years and won three county minor titles with Athy. He needed a hip operation last year which held him back a bit. This year he tore his hamstring in the Leinster u21 Final.

Shocking to be needing a hip operation at that age. Top class talent. The goal he scored he made look much easier than it was.

barca_123 · 27-07-2015 01:15PM

Any idea when the tickets for Sunday will be on sale? Thought they would have been by now!

Thanks,

Jayop · 27-07-2015 06:20PM

4 games this weekend. 3 of them look very predictable and the Galway/Donegal one should be straightforward but is the one most likely for an upset.

Tyrone should deal with Sligo easy enough. There's almost no-one from Sligo going to the game which shows what that Mayo hammering has done for the county. I'll go for a 5 point win for Tyrone

Donegal should get things moving again against Galway. I hope they do anyway so Tyrone can avoid Mayo in the quarters if we reach it. I'll say a 4 point win for Donegal.

Kildare again should run Kerry fairly close and there's an outside chance of an upset, but Kerry in Croker are something of a machine so I'll pick a 3 point Kerry win.

I reckon Fermanagh will keep the score down against Dublin for the most of the first half but the Dubs will have a 10 minute spell and blow them away. 11 point win for Dublin

munchkin_utd · 28-07-2015 10:26AM

barca_123 wrote: »

Any idea when the tickets for Sunday will be on sale? Thought they would have been by now!

Thanks,

tickets now on sale :
https://secure.tickets.ie/Listing/EventInformation/23426/gaa-football-all-ireland-championship-quarter-finals-kerry-v-kildare-2pm-and-dublin-v-fermanagh-4pm-croke-park-02-August-2015

harpsman · 28-07-2015 10:37AM

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

Cork only had 6 days because there was a replay.Had there been a result the first day there wouldn't have been a 6 day turnaround for any team.

Cork had 7 days actually-I wish people would stop calling it a 6 day turnaround-thats when you lose a game on Sunday and play a qualifier the following Saturday(or is that a 5 day turnaround??).

liogairmhordain · 29-07-2015 02:39PM

these paragraphs from a Belfast Telegraph article really put the Dublin-Fermanagh game into context:

Belfast Telegraph wrote:

Fermanagh will be led on Sunday by their captain Eoin Donnelly. He comes from Coa O'Dwyers - the smallest club in the county with the smallest population in Ireland.

It is an area of rocky ground and hardship. Anyone who hung about rather than emigrate was a hardy soul that had nothing to learn about stoicism.

On Sunday, he goes toe-to-toe with Michael Darragh Macauley, with his two All-Irelands and two All-Stars, coming from Ballyboden St Enda's, who field - no lie - 70 teams across all codes.

Jayop · 29-07-2015 03:22PM

Quite amazing too how much of a gap their is between some clubs and how many of the smaller teams have players from intermediate clubs playing senior county.

salmocab · 29-07-2015 04:41PM

Jayop wrote: »

Quite amazing too how much of a gap their is between some clubs and how many of the smaller teams have players from intermediate clubs playing senior county.

I think a few of the dubs in recent years are from intermediate clubs thats what happens when players can't move to 'better' clubs on a whim.

DoctaDee · 29-07-2015 04:42PM

salmocab wrote: »

I think a few of the dubs in recent years are from intermediate clubs thats what happens when players can't move to 'better' clubs on a whim.

.... I give you Paul Flynn

Jayop · 29-07-2015 04:43PM

salmocab wrote: »

I think a few of the dubs in recent years are from intermediate clubs thats what happens when players can't move to 'better' clubs on a whim.

Really? I had just assumed that all your lads would be from Senior clubs.

Proper order too that lads from smaller clubs or weaker ones are still given the opportunity to play Sr County if they're good enough.

salmocab · 29-07-2015 04:44PM

think OGara, Flynn, Bastick and Cullen are all from intermediate clubs

Jayop · 29-07-2015 04:52PM

salmocab wrote: »

think OGara, Flynn, Bastick and Cullen are all from intermediate clubs

The normal 1-15 in Tyrone are all from Senior Clubs but almost the entire bench are Intermediate and two from Junior clubs.

Stoner · 29-07-2015 06:03PM

salmocab wrote: »

think OGara, Flynn, Bastick and Cullen are all from intermediate clubs

Michael Fitzsimons, O'Gara and Bastic won an All-Ireland Junior Football Championship in 2008 before the senior win in 2011, Darren Homan was on that team too.

Figsy32 · 29-07-2015 06:05PM

Jayop wrote: »

Quite amazing too how much of a gap their is between some clubs and how many of the smaller teams have players from intermediate clubs playing senior county.

Cork have lads like the O'Driscolls, Alan O'Connor and Colm O'Neill all from very small junior clubs.

DoctaDee · 29-07-2015 06:05PM

Stoner wrote: »

Michael Fitzsimons, O'Gara and Bastic won an All-Ireland Junior Football Championship in 2008 before the senior win in 2011, Darren Homan was on that team too.

You can add Jonny Cooper and Darren Daly to that list

robbiezero · 29-07-2015 06:12PM

salmocab wrote: »

I think a few of the dubs in recent years are from intermediate clubs thats what happens when players can't move to 'better' clubs on a whim.

I stand to be corrected here, but Ciaran Kilkenny would have been from a Junior club when he was first on the Dublin panel.
If you haven't been picked up by your early twenties by the county team it is hard to make it if your not playing for a senior club I would imagine.

Jayop · 29-07-2015 06:16PM

robbiezero wrote: »

I stand to be corrected here, but Ciaran Kilkenny would have been from a Junior club when he was first on the Dublin panel.
If you haven't been picked up by your early twenties by the county team it is hard to make it if your not playing for a senior club I would imagine.

It's an interesting topic actually. You'd want a pretty big scouting network at counties like Cork and Dublin with masses of clubs to be able to identify the Junior or Intermediate players good enough to warrant a chance on the seniors.

I'm assuming that Dublin would have loads of development squads for the county though so that should help.

Figsy32 · 29-07-2015 06:19PM

Jayop wrote: »

It's an interesting topic actually. You'd want a pretty big scouting network at counties like Cork and Dublin with masses of clubs to be able to identify the Junior or Intermediate players good enough to warrant a chance on the seniors.

I'm assuming that Dublin would have loads of development squads for the county though so that should help.

Divisional squads and development teams is how they work it in Cork. Helps break things down and shows players ability against better opposition.

bucketybuck · 29-07-2015 06:48PM

robbiezero wrote: »

If you haven't been picked up by your early twenties by the county team it is hard to make it if your not playing for a senior club I would imagine.

Which actually makes sense really. While there may be very talented players at smaller clubs, its also true that the lads playing at the higher levels will have trained harder and developed further simply due to the higher competition. A player could be lording it in junior games but that level of play isn't really preparing him for the likes of county standard defenders.

I remember this argument relating to youth teams when I was young all those years ago. The Fermanagh minor team would be training away, but then when the McRory cup competition finished a lot of the St Micheals college players would be brought onto the panel and indeed into the first team. Many people were put out by this, claiming there was an unfair bias to the St Micks lads and that there were better players out there not being picked simply because they hadn't been at the school or on the McRory team.

They couldn't seem to grasp that on the whole the McRory lads were better, and they were better because by that stage they had been training 6 nights a weeks for the past year preparing for the McRory. While the rest of the minors were taking it handy the McRory lads were busting their balls, so is it any wonder they were faster, fitter and better prepared for county minor football? Of course the minor manager was going to pick them, regardless of their starting quality they were now leagues ahead of their peer group.

The same applies to senior players. The lads at the higher levels have faced better quality players and are best placed to step up another level again, simple fact of life. All it does is make it more impressive any time a junior footballer does manage to force himself into the team.

salmocab · 29-07-2015 07:31PM

wasn't cluxton playing for Parnells 2nd/intermediate team last year, possibly as an outfielder if I remember right? think it was some dispute in fairness but I'm not sure about that

DoctaDee · 29-07-2015 08:24PM

salmocab wrote: »

wasn't cluxton playing for Parnells 2nd/intermediate team last year, possibly as an outfielder if I remember right? think it was some dispute in fairness but I'm not sure about that

Indeed he was .. a difference of opinions with the senior set up ...I actually saw him kick a "Maurice Fitzgerald" from the sideline, he was playing half back

Stoner · 29-07-2015 08:52PM

It's been done before, Its what Kevin heffernan did in the 1970s went out and picked up big intermediate players . Galvin and Deegan coached that team too. I'd forgotten about Daly. I didn't count Cooper I was assuming his club had a senior team at the time but he was just not playing, or had played junior or intermediate the year before. Could be wrong though. All in all though it was significant and a lot came from it .

I remember the big interest at the time , particularly in O'Gara. It's mad when your senior team is not doing well you do take an interest in other competitions.

ProudDUB · 29-07-2015 10:46PM

salmocab wrote: »

think OGara, Flynn, Bastick and Cullen are all from intermediate clubs

Am pretty sure that TSS (O'Gara & Bastick,) Castleknock (Kilkenny,) & Skerries Harps, (Cullen) all have a team at the senior grade now. Only Paul Fynns Fingallians are at Intermediate level.

Then again, there are 32 clubs in the Senior champo, which is a mad number imo. What the Vincents and the SOPER's and the BK's can expect to achieve in a given year, is night and day, compared to what the likes of St Maurs and Fingal Ravens can expect to achieve. The same would go for the overall calibre of their players. (With all due respect to the utterly lovely people in Rolestown and Rush.

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