Man batters dog to death.

kylith · 29-07-2015 09:04AM

zeffabelli wrote: »

Lobsters are boiled alive.

Have any idea how lambs and cattle are slaughtered?

A throat slit and bled out?

Look up how fois gras is made.

Zeff, eating meat does not preclude one from talking about animal cruelty cases, so please stop.

CaptainInsano · 29-07-2015 09:04AM

zeffabelli wrote: »

I suppose every outraged poster on this thread is a vegetarian lobster rescue activist.

Was wondering when this irrelevant and idiotic post would pop up. You obviously condone the behaviour to some extent? Worrying.

zeffabelli · 29-07-2015 09:05AM

CaptainInsano wrote: »

Was wondering when this irrelevant and idiotic post would pop up. You obviously condone the behaviour to some extent? Worrying.

I don't condone it but I find the outrage on this thread beyond reasonable tbh.

zeffabelli · 29-07-2015 09:07AM

kylith wrote: »

Zeff, eating meat does not preclude one from talking about animal cruelty cases, so please stop.

Sorry, but most vegetarians would disagree with you.

When you look at the meat industry close up, which no one wants to do, the moral outrage on this thread is beyond reasonable.

There are farmers drowning puppies and kittens all the time, what you want them to serve a prison sentence for that?

CaptainInsano · 29-07-2015 09:14AM

zeffabelli wrote: »

I don't condone it but I find the outrage on this thread beyond reasonable tbh.

Ah but you condone it ever so slightly don't you? Obviously you do, in your eyes attempting to suffocate a dog before bludgeoning to death in front of kids is on par with boiling a lobster.

zeffabelli · 29-07-2015 09:17AM

CaptainInsano wrote: »

Ah but you condone it ever so slightly don't you? Obviously you do, in your eyes attempting to suffocate a dog before bludgeoning to death in front of kids is on par with boiling a lobster.

Yeah ok...sure if you say so.....

Penny Tration · 29-07-2015 09:18AM

zeffabelli wrote: »

Sorry, but most vegetarians would disagree with you.

When you look at the meat industry close up, which no one wants to do, the moral outrage on this thread is beyond reasonable.

There are farmers drowning puppies and kittens all the time, what you want them to serve a prison sentence for that?

I'd want them punished, but at least it's somewhat more humane than BEATING the poor thing.

And no, I don't eat lobster or lamb. I eat beef very occasionally, but again, even though I don't like the slaughtering process, it is NOT the same as battering an animal to death.

You know the difference full well, too.

Oh, and I'd never eat fois gras, because how they make it is absolutely sickening.

CaptainInsano · 29-07-2015 09:19AM

zeffabelli wrote: »

Sorry, but most vegetarians would disagree with you.

When you look at the meat industry close up, which no one wants to do, the moral outrage on this thread is beyond reasonable.

There are farmers drowning puppies and kittens all the time, what you want them to serve a prison sentence for that?

How do you know most vegetarians would disagree?
And ignorant farmers drowning animals despite the many, many humane options available? Sure let's all smash our dog's heads in when they become and inconvenience, we eat meat afterall.

AudreyHepburn · 29-07-2015 09:21AM

zeffabelli wrote: »

Lobsters are boiled alive.

Have any idea how lambs and cattle are slaughtered?

A throat slit and bled out?

Look up how fois gras is made.

Do you eat any of these products? Or is your life cruelty free?

I probably just killed several thousand ants hanging out my laundry.

I don't eat lobsters, I don't like the taste and I don't like how they are cooked.

I do however enjoy lamb, poultry and fish and I won't apologise for it. But as I think you well know most of these are, in this day and age, humanely killed.

It's completely different to what's been discussed here.

zeffabelli · 29-07-2015 09:22AM

Jenny Thalia wrote: »

I'd want them punished, but at least it's somewhat more humane than BEATING the poor thing.

And no, I don't eat lobster or lamb. I eat beef very occasionally, but again, even though I don't like the slaughtering process, it is NOT the same as battering an animal to death.

You know the difference full well, too.

Oh, and I'd never eat fois gras, because how they make it is absolutely sickening.

Look, I would not be capable or working in an abbatoir or battering an animal to death, I just don't have that in me.

I don't eat lamb or veal either, but I do find this thread outrageously irrational by people calling for prison sentences. And honestly the meat industry isnt any more humane than what this guy did, other than they don't do it in front of kids, but the in front of kids part of what people are upset about seems to be really a side issue to the fact it's a dog.

CaptainInsano · 29-07-2015 09:22AM

zeffabelli wrote: »

Yeah ok...sure if you say so.....

You said it earlier, you know you did. I'd take a look at myself personally if I didn't feel any emotion reading the dog's ordeal because farmers drown puppies all the time. Anyway your argument is redundant so good luck to you.

foggy_lad · 29-07-2015 09:22AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

No doubting this was outrageous, and think a ban on having pets in future would have been in order. But if he's looking after a child, I'd have concerns about a custodial sentence.

My main concerns would be the health and safety of the child!

dodderangler · 29-07-2015 09:23AM

snubbleste wrote: »

Would it be different if it was a rat or a pigeon or a termite

If any one touched my pet termite like that id kill them??

lawred2 · 29-07-2015 09:24AM

NorthStars wrote: »

Not sure where to start on this one so I'll post the link first.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/circuit-court/man-avoids-jail-after-violently-killing-dog-in-public-park-1.2299771

What kind of a sick individual does something like this to an animal?

The judge seems to be living on a different planet too claiming that the guy is 'a contributing member of society' and that 'he didn't want to deprive the man's child of having a dog'.

Blame the anti-depressants seems to be the main defence.

If this guy is capable of doing this to an animal, what else is he capable of doing?

How exactly is he contributing to society?

This level of cruelty to any living creature should be punished

He's clearly not right of mind

“Sorry, I thought I was doing the right thing,” Dowling said in interview.

kylith · 29-07-2015 09:25AM

zeffabelli wrote: »

Sorry, but most vegetarians would disagree with you.

When you look at the meat industry close up, which no one wants to do, the moral outrage on this thread is beyond reasonable.

There are farmers drowning puppies and kittens all the time, what you want them to serve a prison sentence for that?

No vegetarians, or vegans, that I know have ever said that they think omnivores shouldn't be able to comment on issues of animal cruelty, and they'd probably not thank you for assuming to speak for them.

Yes, I would like to see anyone who drowns a pup or kitten prosecuted, and foie gras banned, and battery farming.

And I've done work experience in an abbatoir, I know exactly how cattle are slaughtered and they don't have time to register what's going on it's NOTHING like what happened to this poor dog.

Let me put it this way Zeff, if you were going to die would you prefer a bullet to the back of the head when you weren't expecting it, or would you think it's all the same if you get beaten to death over the course of a couple of hours?

Reggie. · 29-07-2015 09:28AM

Pure animal.

Swing him out of a lead onto the ground a few times and see how he likes it :mad:

lawred2 · 29-07-2015 09:28AM

tigger123 wrote: »

Beating a family pet to death in a public place is not the behavior of a sane person. I think its more than reasonable to be concerned about how he looks after his kids.

How anyone could do that to a dog is beyond me.

that's what jumped straight out at me...

the lad needs some serious pychiatric help

Zombienosh · 29-07-2015 09:30AM

So this guy who smashed the dog into the ground "up to 30 times"......then "was also seen putting his foot on the dog’s head while it was on the ground and pulling the lead tight"...

......"cares for a child and is a “contributing member of society.”"

Sorry there I wouldn't be comfortable with him looking after a child.

omahaid · 29-07-2015 10:03AM

As an aside, the guy that robbed Judge Nolans house got an 8 year sentence (3 years in jail). Contrast that with Nolans sentence yesterday of zero jail time for an attack on father-of-two in front of his young family.

dodzy · 29-07-2015 10:09AM

anewme wrote: »

Very upsetting reading

between reading this and then that disgusting American Dentist who paid to slaughter a majestic lion, you would have to wonder who the ANIMALS are?

See that bastard, right there. What a pr**k.

lawred2 wrote: »

that's what jumped straight out at me...

the lad needs some serious pychiatric help

Help ? You think he needs help ? I'll tell you what he f***..............

/shuts up to avoid a ban.

Streetwalker · 29-07-2015 10:11AM

NorthStars wrote: »

Or a fellow human being.
Battering a helpless Jack Russell into the concrete up to 30 times is not normal behaviour.
More animal than the dog he killed.

Right. So the guy killed a dog so that means it's possible a human is next? That's your assumption?

Samaris · 29-07-2015 10:25AM

Streetwalker wrote: »

Right. So the guy killed a dog so that means it's possible a human is next? That's your assumption?

Not next, no, but there is often an increasing pattern of cruelty or violence that can end up with hurting a fellow human. Now, this particular case, assuming it's quite accurate that he's never done anything like this before, the answer is that no, it's probably not likely. On the other hand, even afterwards, he's shown absolutely no remorse for the monstrous way he did it, and the pain and suffering inflicted on an animal that he's cared for as a pet. That is ...strange, and rather an alarming sign. "Sorry, I thought it was the right thing to do" or whatever the specific phrasing was shows no real comprehension of the sheer violence and cruelty of the act.

Regarding the strange assumptions that one has to be a lobster-defending vegan to have any emotional reaction to viciously beating and strangling a small, sick, pet dog to death, that's just ridiculous. The two things are not remotely connected. Animals are raised and slaughtered for a specific reason - that we are omnivores and eat them. I quite agree that there are certainly areas where it needs to be done more humanely - and your bleeding from the throat business, I -think- is halal slaughter. Mostly it involves a stun gun and then killing with the express intention of not causing more fear and suffering than neccessary.

No, it simply can't be compared with beating a small animal off the ground twenty or thirty times, standing on its head and strangling it. To suggest otherwise is quite honestly disingenuous nonsense.

Vojera · 29-07-2015 10:50AM

Streetwalker wrote: »

Right. So the guy killed a dog so that means it's possible a human is next? That's your assumption?

Probably not, but if this guy could have some sort of mental break that makes him think that smashing a small dog repeatedly off the ground is the "right" thing to do then I would worry that the next time his child misbehaves that he might also decide a punch to the head is the "right" thing to do.

Maybe it's not that likely, but if something like that did happen then it's too late to say "Hey, maybe we should have assessed this guy that time he killed a dog in a public park".

conorh91 · 29-07-2015 11:22AM

omahaid wrote: »

As an aside, the guy that robbed Judge Nolans house got an 8 year sentence (3 years in jail).

Sorry to impede the March of the Righteously Indignant, but the person in question was imprisoned for there years, not for burgling Judge Nolan's house, but for burgling three other houses, with 54 previous convictions to his name and apparently no remorse. Furthermore, he wasn't convicted nor sentenced by Judge Nolan. And you'd all be up-in-arms if he wasn't sentenced to a term of imprisonment, with that kind of criminal record.

But don't let any of this get in the way of the outrage.

omahaid · 29-07-2015 11:31AM

conorh91 wrote: »

Sorry to impede the March of the Righteously Indignant, but the person in question was imprisoned for there years, not for burgling Judge Nolan's house, but for burgling three other houses, with 54 previous convictions to his name and apparently no remorse. Furthermore, he wasn't convicted nor sentenced by Judge Nolan. And you'd all be up-in-arms if he wasn't sentenced to a term of imprisonment, with that kind of criminal record.

But don't let any of this get in the way of the outrage.

Nope, I'm just contrasting one sentence which is consistent and fair with one which is unfair. You can throw out this line about Righteously Indignant all you want, defending nolans record does the judiciary a disservice in my mind as you are claiming his bizarre sentences are consistent with other judges when in fact they are not.

kylith · 29-07-2015 11:34AM

conorh91 wrote: »

Sorry to impede the March of the Righteously Indignant, but the person in question was imprisoned for there years, not for burgling Judge Nolan's house, but for burgling three other houses, with 54 previous convictions to his name and apparently no remorse. Furthermore, he wasn't convicted nor sentenced by Judge Nolan. And you'd all be up-in-arms if he wasn't sentenced to a term of imprisonment, with that kind of criminal record.

But don't let any of this get in the way of the outrage.

The question I'd have is; was one of those three houses Judge Nolan's? And would he have been jailed for as long had that house instead belonged to Steve the plumber?

He may not have been convicted or sentenced by Nolan, but I'd put dollars to donuts that the judge knew Nolan.

the_monkey · 29-07-2015 11:36AM

SpaceTime wrote: »

We should immediately inform the pharmaceutical regulation agencies and the FDA about this dangerous side effect!

Can the judge not look at medical evidence before making a pronouncement like that based on zero science ?!

At the very least get a psychiatrist's opinion on the medication and its possible side effects

Problem is Judges in Ireland are absolute idiots in every subject except their own particular little bullsh'it field.

Morons.

Morons from the big boys club with no clue of the real world.

omahaid · 29-07-2015 11:45AM

It's not even the lack of a custodial sentence that is what concerns me about this sentence it's the following

He (Nolan) said he would not impose a ban on Mr Dowling keeping animals, as he "didn't want to deprive the man's child of having a dog."

I think the DSPCA are spot on

independent.ie wrote:

“The DSPCA are calling for the full implementation of the penalties under the Animal Health and Welfare Act 2013 in this brutal and horrific case of animal cruelty.
“Given that this animal was a family pet, we are also at a loss to understand why a lifetime ban on the ownership of animals has not been imposed on this individual.”

Wacker The Attacker · 29-07-2015 11:48AM

dogging

29-07-2015 11:52AM

omahaid wrote: »

It's not even the lack of a custodial sentence that is what concerns me about this sentence it's the following

He (Nolan) said he would not impose a ban on Mr Dowling keeping animals, as he "didn't want to deprive the man's child of having a dog."

I think the DSPCA are spot on

I would think a custodial sentence unusual in a case of one instance of (extreme) cruelty to animals for a person minding a child.

But the part you highlight is what I found bizarre.

Man batters dog to death.

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