Man batters dog to death.

NorthStars

Not sure where to start on this one so I'll post the link first.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/circuit-court/man-avoids-jail-after-violently-killing-dog-in-public-park-1.2299771

What kind of a sick individual does something like this to an animal?

The judge seems to be living on a different planet too claiming that the guy is 'a contributing member of society' and that 'he didn't want to deprive the man's child of having a dog'.

Blame the anti-depressants seems to be the main defence.

If this guy is capable of doing this to an animal, what else is he capable of doing?

mikom

The most chilling bit.........

He further noted that Dowling cares for a child

snubbleste

Would it be different if it was a rat or a pigeon or a termite

SpaceTime

We should immediately inform the pharmaceutical regulation agencies and the FDA about this dangerous side effect!

Can the judge not look at medical evidence before making a pronouncement like that based on zero science ?!

At the very least get a psychiatrist's opinion on the medication and its possible side effects

thomasm

With this and the other threads on lenient sentencing you feel the need to have a clean out of the judiciary at this stage. They seem to be removed from reality

Señor Fancy Pants

Ansolute scumbag.

He repeatedly slammed the dog into the ground and thought he was "doing the right thing"!

Sickening.

mikom

snubbleste wrote: »

Would it be different if it was a rat or a pigeon or a termite

They'd probably die quicker.

The_Valeyard

What the f*ck. How could someone be so cruel. Serious issues there. Poor creature .

omahaid

What judge was involved? I bet I can guess. Is that petition to sack him still going?

Encrypted Pigeon

mikom wrote: »

snubbleste wrote: »

Would it be different if it was a rat or a pigeon or a termite

They'd probably die quicker.

:eek:

strandroad

omahaid wrote: »

What judge was involved? I bet I can guess. Is that petition to sack him still going?

This judge apparently:

http://www.broadsheet.ie/2013/11/18/who-is-judge-nolan-jailing/

Fr_Dougal

One witness saw Liam Dowling (44) swing the Jack Russell dog overhead by its lead and smash it to the ground up to 30 times as he crossed a park area by Clonliffe College.

Sicko.

anewme

Very upsetting reading

between reading this and then that disgusting American Dentist who paid to slaughter a majestic lion, you would have to wonder who the ANIMALS are?

Birneybau

anewme wrote: »

Very upsetting reading

between reading this and then that disgusting American Dentist who paid to slaughter a majestic lion, you would have to wonder who the ANIMALS are?

The things being killed?

That judge is a facking joke. Won't bar yer man from keeping animals as it would be wrong to deny the child.

Encrypted Pigeon

Are judges in this country actually accountable to anyone? Some decisions you read about are baffling.

Birneybau

Encrypted Pigeon wrote: »

Are judges in this country actually accountable to anyone? Some decisions you read about are baffling.

A lot of them are from the same judge, that is, this one...again.

KungPao

I won't be reading that. Animal cruelty sickens me and enrages me.

Hope he's locked up for a long time, banned from ever owning a pet and looking after children.

Medusa22

I just cannot believe that the judge stated that he wouldn't ban Dowling from keeping animals because he didn't want to deprive his child of a pet. That man should never be allowed to have an animal ever again, he could have brought the dog to the DSPCA and had him euthanised humanely at the very least, or brought him to a no-kill shelter that would have him fostered or rehomed. There was no need to do this, and I'm sure that the child will be far more traumatised knowing that his/her father beat their 9 year old pet to death than by being not allowed to have another pet.

When the Sun Hits

When withdrawing from antidepressants I was uncontrollably aggressive and was smashing plates all over the place. Doctors like to underplay the effects of these medications unfortunately.

Horrible incident obviously.

RaRaRasputin

Well at least he is being named in the papers which increases the chances of someone deciding to give him a taste of his own medicine.
I'm getting quite tired of these drink/ drug excuses, esp. prescription drugs
where you have the chance to talk to someone about the effects.

But since he got off so lightly, let's hope his child doesn't get sick, because clearly this doesn't seem to be a worry for the judge.

pawrick

These judges are a joke and bring shame to the country every time we hear of these cases. He'd probably get more of a punishment if he didn't have a dog licence.

When the Sun Hits

RaRaRasputin wrote: »

I'm getting quite tired of these drink/ drug excuses, esp. prescription drugs
where you have the chance to talk to someone about the effects.

Doctors are either totally dishonest or lacking in awareness when in come to the effects of SSRIs.

I'm not excusing his behavior because I don't actually think the meds were the cause for what he did, but your comment is not accurate with regards to SSRIs. Doctors are like dodgy car salesmen when it comes to antidepressants.

Vojera

Jebus! Whatever about his reasons for committing this horrific act, he doesn't even get a ban from keeping animals?

What community service is he likely to get? Any chance he'd have to work with an animal rescue in the hopes that he fully appreciates what he did?

moc moc a moc

thomasm wrote: »

With this and the other threads on lenient sentencing you feel the need to have a clean out of the judiciary at this stage. They seem to be removed from reality

This Martin Nolan character in particular is notorious for ridiculous lenience, I remember his name coming up many times in conjunction with suspended sentences for violent animals with dozens of previous convictions. He and his ilk need to go.

Let's remember the name 'Judge Martin Nolan' next time the politicians come knocking looking for votes, folks. 'Judge Mary Ellen Ring' is another one to bring up while we're at it.

Dave_The_Sheep

KungPao wrote: »

I won't be reading that. Animal cruelty sickens me and enrages me.

Hope he's locked up for a long time, banned from ever owning a pet and looking after children.

Well, I hate to break it to you, but the answer is "none of the above".

Absurd decision from Nolan. Again.

RDM_83 again

SpaceTime wrote: »

We should immediately inform the pharmaceutical regulation agencies and the FDA about this dangerous side effect!

Can the judge not look at medical evidence before making a pronouncement like that based on zero science ?!

At the very least get a psychiatrist's opinion on the medication and its possible side effects

He should have at least demanded he had a psycological assesment or similar, I am open to idea that sometimes a person isn't in full control of their actions due to their mental state but at least get that assessed by a qualified person, if its going to be a mitigating factor then they should at least be treated!

hatrickpatrick

The thread title badly needs to be edited to include "and gets no jail time". :mad:

F*ck the Irish courts. Seriously, f*ck them. If this sh!te goes on much longer I'm going to find myself advocating vigilantism more and more, which really isn't something I want to support. But scumbags not suffering any real consequences for their scumbaggery is an absolute affront to civilised society. Something has to change.

omahaid

He was shuffled off to family court the last time his decisions were bringing some scrutiny on the judiciary - http://www.broadsheet.ie/2013/01/14/to-the-family-court-with-you/

RaRaRasputin

When the Sun Hits wrote: »

Doctors are either totally dishonest or lacking in awareness when in come to the effects of SSRIs.

I'm not excusing his behavior because I don't actually think the meds were the cause for what he did, but your comment is not accurate with regards to SSRIs. Doctors are like dodgy car salesmen when it comes to antidepressants.

That's why they come with leaflets. Every antidepressant comes with a leaflet that lists side effects such as mentioned and asks you to seek clarification. If the doctor is little help I am not surprised, but then you look elsewhere...as I said, I am tired of people blaming their shortcomings on others.

Streetwalker

NorthStars wrote: »

Not sure where to start on this one so I'll post the link first.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/circuit-court/man-avoids-jail-after-violently-killing-dog-in-public-park-1.2299771

What kind of a sick individual does something like this to an animal?

The judge seems to be living on a different planet too claiming that the guy is 'a contributing member of society' and that 'he didn't want to deprive the man's child of having a dog'.

Blame the anti-depressants seems to be the main defence.

If this guy is capable of doing this to an animal, what else is he capable of doing?

Eh doing it to another animal?

When the Sun Hits

RaRaRasputin wrote: »

That's why they come with leaflets. Every antidepressant comes with a leaflet that lists side effects such as mentioned and asks you to seek clarification. If the doctor is little help I am not surprised, but then you look elsewhere...as I said, I am tired of people blaming their shortcomings on others.

Leaflets are written by the pharma companies, they do not have adequate information. It's disingenuous to dismiss doctors advising patients into taking meds as a person's "shortcomings". Medical professionals should be aware of all the properties and possible side effects of anything they prescribe. It's one of the things they're paid to know.

Ciaran_B

mikom wrote: »

The most chilling bit.........

Also chilling.......

He said he would not impose a ban on Dowling keeping animals, as he didn’t want to deprive the man’s child of having a dog.

Do you know what else will deprive the man's child of having a dog? Killing the dog you currently have.

Like another poster, I just cannot read the article. Just like the cases of horses being burnt to death, I just cannot get my head around how anyone can be that cruel to a helpless animal.

And this crap about medication, drugs, alcohol, whatever it was in this scumbags case, NOTHING excuses such wanton cruelty. If he was a member of my family I would want nothing more to do with him.

Some of these judges honestly are not fit to judge, are they above sanction? can they not be removed from the bench when they make decisions like this one that are so obviously out of step with what is right?

That poor little animal. I hope someone 'takes care' of this worthless piece of sh*t

NorthStars

Streetwalker wrote: »

Eh doing it to another animal?

Or a fellow human being.
Battering a helpless Jack Russell into the concrete up to 30 times is not normal behaviour.
More animal than the dog he killed.

DeadHand

Very worrying that this man has responsibility over children.

I mean, his story is nonsense. Even if his story about not knowing any other way to kill the animal were true- does he not have a sack and a few rocks?

Dangerous violence.

Having said that, it always is true that AH will get more animated over the murder of an animal than a human being.

mikeym

http://www.herald.ie/news/courts/man-who-couldnt-afford-vet-bills-beat-his-dog-to-death-in-front-of-children-in-park-31409926.html

The Dogs Bollix

I used to know someone who used to SCREAM at kids while babysitting. Kids are kids but screaming was too much.

Caught them hitting their pets before too.

Eventually went onto batter the crap out of someone.

These type people don't stop.

The judge should be fired for not giving a proper sentence.

Allow the man another dog for the same thing to happen again, only to allow an older child to witness to such an act. If he can do it in a park full of children, nothing stopping him from letting his child see such horrific acts and teaching them that it's OK to hurt animals. A lifetime ban on pet ownership was needed here.

Dublin has a service no other part of the country has, the blue cross charity helping people and pets who can't afford veterinary fees. They would have humanely put the dog to sleep instead of allowing him to suffer for five months because he was sick and that coward couldn't afford vet bills and took it into his own hands. You can bet he can afford a few pints on the weekend though.

I only hope when he gets sick that someone returns the favour to him and treats him the same way.

The Dogs Bollix

Every few months there's a horrific case of animal cruelty.

Honestly, was there ever a case where they were locked up for their crime?

RDM_83 again

DeadHand wrote: »

Very worrying that this man has responsibility over children.

I mean, his story is nonsense. Even if his story about not knowing any other way to kill the animal were true- does he not have a sack and a few rocks?

Dangerous violence.

Having said that, it always is true that AH will get more animated over the murder of an animal than a human being.

+1
To me there is a big difference between a callous disregard for animal welfare which would motivate somebody to drown, hit with a heavy blunt object or on a milder type abandon a pet and to beat an animal slowly to death in a bizarre apparently spontaneous manner in public, I mean it seems like more effort than a quicker (slightly!) more humane method.

The former might be cruel to animals and very scummy but the latter strikes me as somebody thats dangerous.

Right Turn Clyde

snubbleste wrote: »

Would it be different if it was a rat or a pigeon or a termite

Dogs and men first became 'best friends' in Asia about 19,000 years, or possibly in Europe during the Ice Age, about 30,000 years ago. That's the difference.

I'm not saying your wrong, but it's quite obvious why people get very emotional over dogs and why we've developed certain societal norms in relation to how they're protected.

conorh91

moc moc a moc wrote: »

'Judge Mary Ellen Ring' is another one to bring up while we're at it.

Almost laughably inaccurate.

You wouldn't have wished to appear in front of Judge Ring as a legal practitioner without having your house in order, let alone standing as an accused person. Renegade District Judges have nothing on her, she's as tough as a pair of old boots.

I'd love to know where you're getting your information. Presumably some unusual case, relayed in a poorly-written article, scribbled on the back of a notepad, uploaded in a hurry onto the Herald's website.

NachoBusiness

Bit of an overreaction here, yes he's a total scumbag but come on, if we jail for crimes like that we'd have no room in our prisons for those that pose a real threat to public safety, such as the genuine hardcore criminals.

TerrorFirmer

Judge Martin Nolan commented that “by any standard what happened to this poor dog was incredibly cruel”, but noted that Dowling had been on prescription drugs at the time.

What planet does this Judge reside on?

Note: Side effects may include drowsiness, weight gain, nausea and the sadistic and brutal murder of domestic pets.

The Dogs Bollix

Did anyone ever tell him that children are expensive too?

Cost of a dog: Approx €20,000 over their lifetime
Cost of a child until their 18: €250,000 (a figure I read somewhere)

And he couldn't afford vet bills?

He'll have problems with child number 1, so hope he doesn't have any more. And he clearly can't afford any more pets. And the judge wants to give him more dogs.

Scumbag. Absolutely raging.

The Dogs Bollix

NachoBusiness wrote: »

Bit of an overreaction here, yes he's a total scumbag but come on, if we jail for crimes like that we'd have no room in our prisons for those that pose a real threat to public safety, such as the genuine hardcore criminals.

He probably can't afford to pay his TV licence either. He is a scumbag.

RacoonQueen

The term 'cares for a child' worries me, it leads me to think the child is unwell or needs more care than an average child and he is the sole carer....

I'l sick of reading about lenient sentences for serial criminals. 12 previous convictions, I wonder if any of them were for violence?

NachoBusiness

The Dogs Bollix wrote: »

He probably can't afford to pay his TV licence either. He is a scumbag.

Well, no shame in being broke but I bet he would have got in more trouble for not paying court fines than for what he did was my point really.

Are there any free pet euthanasia services in Dublin does anyone know?

xhoundx

Just sentence? Castration by dog please

RacoonQueen

NachoBusiness wrote: »

Well, no shame in being broke but I bet he would have got in more trouble for not paying court fines than for what he did was my point really.

Are there any free pet euthanasia services in Dublin does anyone know?

He could have surrendered the dog to any of the shelters Paws and Dog Trust to name but two who would have nursed it back to health and rehomed it. Abandoning it outside the DSPCA would have been a nicer, kinder thing to do that what he did.

NachoBusiness

NachoBusiness wrote: »

Bit of an overreaction here, yes he's a total scumbag but come on, if we jail for crimes like that we'd have no room in our prisons for those that pose a real threat to public safety, such as the genuine hardcore criminals.

Completely disagree that its an overreaction. Insofar as room in jail, I would happily pay more tax to build and run more jails, to get rid of scumbags like him in addition to all the other scobies who should be off the streets for a very long time.

xhoundx

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Completely disagree that its an overreaction. Insofar as room in jail, I would happily pay more tax to build and run more jails, to get rid of scumbags like him in addition to all the other scobies who should be off the streets for a very long time.

Sorry that's a non starter, how the **** are the legal aid solicitors supposed to make a living?