Man batters dog to death.

Ciaran_B · 28-07-2015 10:02PM

mikom wrote: »

The most chilling bit.........

Also chilling.......

He said he would not impose a ban on Dowling keeping animals, as he didn’t want to deprive the man’s child of having a dog.

Do you know what else will deprive the man's child of having a dog? Killing the dog you currently have.

28-07-2015 10:04PM

Like another poster, I just cannot read the article. Just like the cases of horses being burnt to death, I just cannot get my head around how anyone can be that cruel to a helpless animal.

And this crap about medication, drugs, alcohol, whatever it was in this scumbags case, NOTHING excuses such wanton cruelty. If he was a member of my family I would want nothing more to do with him.

Some of these judges honestly are not fit to judge, are they above sanction? can they not be removed from the bench when they make decisions like this one that are so obviously out of step with what is right?

That poor little animal. I hope someone 'takes care' of this worthless piece of sh*t

NorthStars · 28-07-2015 10:04PM

Streetwalker wrote: »

Eh doing it to another animal?

Or a fellow human being.
Battering a helpless Jack Russell into the concrete up to 30 times is not normal behaviour.
More animal than the dog he killed.

DeadHand · 28-07-2015 10:17PM

Very worrying that this man has responsibility over children.

I mean, his story is nonsense. Even if his story about not knowing any other way to kill the animal were true- does he not have a sack and a few rocks?

Dangerous violence.

Having said that, it always is true that AH will get more animated over the murder of an animal than a human being.

mikeym · 28-07-2015 10:27PM

http://www.herald.ie/news/courts/man-who-couldnt-afford-vet-bills-beat-his-dog-to-death-in-front-of-children-in-park-31409926.html

The Dogs Bollix · 28-07-2015 10:32PM

I used to know someone who used to SCREAM at kids while babysitting. Kids are kids but screaming was too much.

Caught them hitting their pets before too.

Eventually went onto batter the crap out of someone.

These type people don't stop.

The judge should be fired for not giving a proper sentence.

Allow the man another dog for the same thing to happen again, only to allow an older child to witness to such an act. If he can do it in a park full of children, nothing stopping him from letting his child see such horrific acts and teaching them that it's OK to hurt animals. A lifetime ban on pet ownership was needed here.

Dublin has a service no other part of the country has, the blue cross charity helping people and pets who can't afford veterinary fees. They would have humanely put the dog to sleep instead of allowing him to suffer for five months because he was sick and that coward couldn't afford vet bills and took it into his own hands. You can bet he can afford a few pints on the weekend though.

I only hope when he gets sick that someone returns the favour to him and treats him the same way.

The Dogs Bollix · 28-07-2015 10:34PM

Every few months there's a horrific case of animal cruelty.

Honestly, was there ever a case where they were locked up for their crime?

RDM_83 again · 28-07-2015 10:35PM

DeadHand wrote: »

Very worrying that this man has responsibility over children.

I mean, his story is nonsense. Even if his story about not knowing any other way to kill the animal were true- does he not have a sack and a few rocks?

Dangerous violence.

Having said that, it always is true that AH will get more animated over the murder of an animal than a human being.

+1
To me there is a big difference between a callous disregard for animal welfare which would motivate somebody to drown, hit with a heavy blunt object or on a milder type abandon a pet and to beat an animal slowly to death in a bizarre apparently spontaneous manner in public, I mean it seems like more effort than a quicker (slightly!) more humane method.

The former might be cruel to animals and very scummy but the latter strikes me as somebody thats dangerous.

Right Turn Clyde · 28-07-2015 10:43PM

snubbleste wrote: »

Would it be different if it was a rat or a pigeon or a termite

Dogs and men first became 'best friends' in Asia about 19,000 years, or possibly in Europe during the Ice Age, about 30,000 years ago. That's the difference.

I'm not saying your wrong, but it's quite obvious why people get very emotional over dogs and why we've developed certain societal norms in relation to how they're protected.

conorh91 · 28-07-2015 10:50PM

moc moc a moc wrote: »

'Judge Mary Ellen Ring' is another one to bring up while we're at it.

Almost laughably inaccurate.

You wouldn't have wished to appear in front of Judge Ring as a legal practitioner without having your house in order, let alone standing as an accused person. Renegade District Judges have nothing on her, she's as tough as a pair of old boots.

I'd love to know where you're getting your information. Presumably some unusual case, relayed in a poorly-written article, scribbled on the back of a notepad, uploaded in a hurry onto the Herald's website.

NachoBusiness · 28-07-2015 10:52PM

Bit of an overreaction here, yes he's a total scumbag but come on, if we jail for crimes like that we'd have no room in our prisons for those that pose a real threat to public safety, such as the genuine hardcore criminals.

TerrorFirmer · 28-07-2015 10:53PM

Judge Martin Nolan commented that “by any standard what happened to this poor dog was incredibly cruel”, but noted that Dowling had been on prescription drugs at the time.

What planet does this Judge reside on?

Note: Side effects may include drowsiness, weight gain, nausea and the sadistic and brutal murder of domestic pets.

The Dogs Bollix · 28-07-2015 10:53PM

Did anyone ever tell him that children are expensive too?

Cost of a dog: Approx €20,000 over their lifetime
Cost of a child until their 18: €250,000 (a figure I read somewhere)

And he couldn't afford vet bills?

He'll have problems with child number 1, so hope he doesn't have any more. And he clearly can't afford any more pets. And the judge wants to give him more dogs.

Scumbag. Absolutely raging.

The Dogs Bollix · 28-07-2015 10:57PM

NachoBusiness wrote: »

Bit of an overreaction here, yes he's a total scumbag but come on, if we jail for crimes like that we'd have no room in our prisons for those that pose a real threat to public safety, such as the genuine hardcore criminals.

He probably can't afford to pay his TV licence either. He is a scumbag.

RacoonQueen · 28-07-2015 11:00PM

The term 'cares for a child' worries me, it leads me to think the child is unwell or needs more care than an average child and he is the sole carer....

I'l sick of reading about lenient sentences for serial criminals. 12 previous convictions, I wonder if any of them were for violence?

NachoBusiness · 28-07-2015 11:00PM

The Dogs Bollix wrote: »

He probably can't afford to pay his TV licence either. He is a scumbag.

Well, no shame in being broke but I bet he would have got in more trouble for not paying court fines than for what he did was my point really.

Are there any free pet euthanasia services in Dublin does anyone know?

xhoundx · 28-07-2015 11:04PM

Just sentence? Castration by dog please

RacoonQueen · 28-07-2015 11:04PM

NachoBusiness wrote: »

Well, no shame in being broke but I bet he would have got in more trouble for not paying court fines than for what he did was my point really.

Are there any free pet euthanasia services in Dublin does anyone know?

He could have surrendered the dog to any of the shelters Paws and Dog Trust to name but two who would have nursed it back to health and rehomed it. Abandoning it outside the DSPCA would have been a nicer, kinder thing to do that what he did.

28-07-2015 11:07PM

NachoBusiness wrote: »

Bit of an overreaction here, yes he's a total scumbag but come on, if we jail for crimes like that we'd have no room in our prisons for those that pose a real threat to public safety, such as the genuine hardcore criminals.

Completely disagree that its an overreaction. Insofar as room in jail, I would happily pay more tax to build and run more jails, to get rid of scumbags like him in addition to all the other scobies who should be off the streets for a very long time.

xhoundx · 28-07-2015 11:10PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Completely disagree that its an overreaction. Insofar as room in jail, I would happily pay more tax to build and run more jails, to get rid of scumbags like him in addition to all the other scobies who should be off the streets for a very long time.

Sorry that's a non starter, how the **** are the legal aid solicitors supposed to make a living?

The Dogs Bollix · 28-07-2015 11:10PM

NachoBusiness wrote: »

Well, no shame in being broke but I bet he would have got in more trouble for not paying court fines than for what he did was my point really.

Are there any free pet euthanasia services in Dublin does anyone know?

The blue cross helps out people in need.

johnnyskeleton · 28-07-2015 11:13PM

Two observations:

Dont the blue cross do a free or subsidised vet service in the city centre. They come around near me ever week or so and provide a great service to animal owners who cant afford private vet bills.

In fairness, its not the Judge so much as the law/legislature which places more emphasis on prison for drugs and revenue offences than for violence and sexual offences. The Judge is essentially taking his cue from government policy on what is a serious offence. I think it should be the other way around, but then again I aint in government.

phonypony · 28-07-2015 11:14PM

Clown of a judge, like Carney before him and others around the country with an apparent soft spot for evil. Eventually stupid leniency like this will just lead to mob justice in this country.

johnnyskeleton · 28-07-2015 11:15PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Insofar as room in jail, I would happily pay more tax to build and run more jails, to get rid of scumbags like him in addition to all the other scobies who should be off the streets for a very long time.

Unfortunately you and me are in the minority. More people care about their paycheck/not paying charges etc than about prison places.

Muahahaha · 28-07-2015 11:18PM

NachoBusiness wrote: »

Bit of an overreaction here, yes he's a total scumbag but come on, if we jail for crimes like that we'd have no room in our prisons for those that pose a real threat to public safety, such as the genuine hardcore criminals.

I think its an under-reaction in some ways tbh. Its well known that many eventual psychopaths begin by killing animals, just recently we heard how Graham Dwyer boasted of stabbing and killing a sheep in the Wicklow mountains. I'm not saying this guy is a psychopath but he has displayed a common behaviour of a psychopath so at a minimum I'd like to see him locked up and assessed psychiatrically. Not sent back out on the streets to bring up a now traumatised daughter and own another pet that she'll love but be forever fearful that her father will kill it, just like the last time.

dublinman1990 · 28-07-2015 11:32PM

****ing hell. What an absolute scumbag. :eek:

I nearly felt sick when reading the articles. He should not be given the light of day on the streets again. He should be stuck in a jail cell for a very long time and the child should be brought up in care of his parental guardians to take care of him in the future.

The prevention of animal cruelty has really hit an all-time low with a story like that. The courts in this state are a ****ing joke.

NachoBusiness · 28-07-2015 11:41PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Completely disagree that its an overreaction.

Muahahaha wrote: »

I think its an under-reaction in some ways tbh.

Check the link folks. Of course it's not an overreaction. I was being sarcastic.

RaRaRasputin · 28-07-2015 11:41PM

When the Sun Hits wrote: »

Leaflets are written by the pharma companies, they do not have adequate information. It's disingenuous to dismiss doctors advising patients into taking meds as a person's "shortcomings". Medical professionals should be aware of all the properties and possible side effects of anything they prescribe. It's one of the things they're paid to know.

Really? Then how many doctors have you come across who actually know all the details of the medications they can prescribe? I have across some that bother to check these things before handing out a prescription, but this is not a given. You cannot expect to be given any substances in a GPs practice and throw away all responsibility.

Good luck with any law suits against the pharma industry because of the information in the leaflets by the way.

When the Sun Hits · 28-07-2015 11:49PM

RaRaRasputin wrote: »

Good luck with any law suits against the pharma industry because of the information in the leaflets by the way.

Where did I mention lawsuit?

Really? Then how many doctors have you come across who actually know all the details of the medications they can prescribe? I have across some that bother to check these things before handing out a prescription, but this is not a given. You cannot expect to be given any substances in a GPs practice and throw away all responsibility.

It is the persistent promotion of these meds by doctors which I have a problem with, hence why I made the comparison to "dodgy car salesmen". When I say persistent I mean telling you that you should be on antidepressants during every medical appointment despite objecting several times before. It's strange to say the least. This behavior is widespread.

hatrickpatrick · 29-07-2015 12:04AM

NachoBusiness wrote: »

Bit of an overreaction here, yes he's a total scumbag but come on, if we jail for crimes like that we'd have no room in our prisons for those that pose a real threat to public safety, such as the genuine hardcore criminals.

We apparently already have no room for them anyway, hence that paedo we've been talking about on AH being free to leer through the windows of schools.

What would you suggest we do?

I suggest personally that we empty all non violent offenders from prison, and then we re-fill those prisons starting from the most to the least severe violent crimes. Only after every one of those violent offenders has been locked up should we then consider if we have any free spaces left for non violent offenders.

Non violent offenders can be punished in other ways - those who are violent and dangerous need to be segregated from society so that the rest of us don't have to be afraid to be out in public. The number of "known to the Gardai" scumbags who openly walk the streets in some of the dodgier areas of Dublin is absolutely ridiculous - if you're "known to the Gardai" as a violent person, you shouldn't be free to appear unsupervised in public. End of story.

Man batters dog to death.

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