Cork GAA Discussion Thread

As regards Cork Club hurling I have seen a few challenge games in Cork against clubs from different counties and I always find that the refs blew for very little in Cork

When is the last time a cork club won an all Ireland in hurling or football, ballymartle?
Is this lack of success to do with poor club coaching?
Is there any merit to amalgamating the two intermediate divisions?

CORKDOUBLE wrote: »

I have watched both games for my sins ....both teams showed no hunger , no desire , no commitment ...poor decision making ...whats wrong that our teams cant maintain the workrate and desire and hunger that is a requirement in any championship match to give your all beat your man die on your feet etc...both teams did this in there matches against Kerry drawn game and the Clare hurling match and look at the results...the changes made by the hurling management did not work ..why did they make them... the team that finished against Clare looked the team to go with yesterday ...luck with injurys etc went against the footballers bigtime the 7 day turnaround ...but there are no excuses for the effort on Saturday night ...when they played with drive towards the end it showed if they started like that they would have won...but once again the management have got it all wrong and why were some players drinking last week ...I hope JBM stays we don't have anyone else ...he could get Pat Mulcahy on board ...the football management must go ...if interested now John Cleary should get a chance he would have the respect of the players he knows them all from his u21 days....but I don't like the statement from Ger Lane sounds like Cuthbert will be asked again and funny I think JBM might go .

Agree with Cuthbert statement you made. He is away out of his depth and out at sea. We will have no success with him. Also I think JBM hasn't got it either with the hurlers and the reason I say this is, Leaving out that we don't have quality hurlers here my main reasons why he shouldn't continue., poor recent record with the Cork team. 2012 league final destroyed by Kilkenny. 2012 semi final against Galway beaten well even-though it was only five points. 2013 league final beaten by Clare well. 2013 Munster final destroyed by Limerick. 2013 all Ireland final well beaten all over the field both days against Clare. 2014 Semi Final v Tipperary similar to yesterday a no show. 2015 League final destroyed by Waterford. 2015 Munster semi final destroyed by Waterford and yesterday's game tells me I have enough of JBM. He is not a good tactical manager makes bad calls and isn't blessed with having top class players at his disposal. If this was in Kerry with the footballers he would be sacked straight away. Mullachy couldn't do any worse with the hurlers so if he's next in line to manage, let him in and try him out. We are going nowhere soon anyway. JBM you did your best your a legend in Cork but like Cuthbert must leave command now. Rant over.

What was more disheartening then the performance on Sunday was the Cork 'fans' speaking shamefully about OUR players. A large portion of these 'fans' will go to 3 or 4 matches a year. Probably are not involved in their local club but pay their money to get in & they think that gives them the right to hurl terrible abuse about the players. I know they didn't do themselves justice on Sunday but they are more disappointed than any supporter. the things I heard coming out of Semple about Walsh Cooper Ellis and a few others made me embarrassed to be wearing the same colours. Training 5/6 times a week and then not turn up on the day must be a terrible feeling. So I asking people on this site don't be so hard on the squad, its the same with the footballers. The target should & MUST be the gombeens Donal Og is talking about. The way things are going the only time Parc de Frank will be filled is if Garth Brooks will come

Looking in from the outside surely its the clubs that need to start pressuring the Cork County Board. Not a lot the likes of Cusack and co can do without the support of the clubs.

I also feel guys like Cusack O Hailpin etc have a role to play in developing the youth. Sad to see such great players treated the way they were.

Anyway water under the Bridge.

Getting the underage structures isn't rocket science but the sooner the better. As bad and all as they appear, the waterford minor team than won the all ireland were put to the pin of their collar by Cork.

Surely there is guys from that team that must be there or thereabouts.

Looking at the senior team, Lehane, Harnedy are top class and i think Eoin Cadogan would be an ideal center back if he came back.

I wasn't convinved on Ellis. Think Cork need to freshen up and add 2 or 3 more defenders to compete at the top table again

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/conor-mccarthy-cork-review-process-wont-be-easy-but-worth-it-in-the-long-run-344947.html


A good read but there's a neglect here and refusal to question management which is wrong

McCarthy brilliant writer articulate etc but like christy o connor and Barry Donovan there brilliant but at times seem hint with points than making bold ruthless calls to say this is this etc only small point I'd disagree with them


He made points about sweeper he's right
Made points about the skill set of not being so much mental problem but structure and system has been placed allow skillet improve and he's right mentality week is lame excuse often thrown cork football when it's not valid


To take he's point further how can you expect loughrey be mentality strong when he's know it fans know it he's club knows it he's played out position corner back
I seen him club taken cleaners corner back such club play him midfield or half where he's excellent


How can you expect Brian Driscoll be strong when you confine him corner back man marking role he's never ever played

How can you expect cadogan flourish midfield when all league slow point attack down as run in contact not clean ball winner
How can you expect Barry driscoll lead half forward when he's half back NEVER EVER EVER PLAYED NEMO there

How can you expect doc lead when pace gone so much English duhallow never plays him anywhere but centre forward area yet inter county he's on fast corner backs

How can you expect Kevin Driscoll lead when everyone knows no creative skills but defender should be and yet after three good games pushed out position half forward


The bottom line is who decides the game plan picks the players makes changed
Lot stuff being ignored by media here
Cork system as said here was wrong not working v Kildare
Well why hop around the point why not say this is something management needs be asked on


Why is not questions that cork made no change drawn game kerry to reply
Why like ist draw did cork with age make subs
Why is same players always taken off
Doc for instance
Dorman treated appalling Imo outstanding Morgan ucc played lot league games cork out position then brought on like last year ist sub yet gould others get game after game after game after game after game after game


All problem cork team originate management as they pick the system the team
Skillet mentioned as you need structure
Why wasn't it asked who proven coach cork football doing basic skills coaching
Cork no proven coach
Structure and organisations mentioned
Why oh why do we cherry pick
Why isn't this point further explored
Why are out training camps a joke compared to monaghan Dublin kerry warm weather etc

Why doesn't any one I mean anyone media as no one absoultey no one cork national media asked one question lot cork fans ask
What has Davis sexton or sullivan ever coached and then proven record coaching
Also cuthbhertt what has he's coaching done



McCarthy outstanding writer and he's attention detail second to none
I'm disappointed and surprised he didn't say cork minor team under him and year with Cork senior management cork teams defence is poor
Worse thing is Cork playing supposed blanket now
Why doesn't McCarthy say dublin like Cork play attack last year but one year best defence ireland
Yer cork started it last July v sligo have one worse blanket defence around


On blanket defence for stature and structure I'd say Dublin Donegal monaghan fermanagh are better cork
Kerry have huge problem with less defence options cork but still better

Talk about reviews isn't worth paper it's written on if management aren't questions

The science with Cork football has fallen again with some so defeaning like thunder roaring in the sky the thunder rolls and the lighting strikes
With Cork football no flash of electrical currently to give bright light dark sky imo though


As slocum Tompkins this world all fast enough critse fans plead support suddenly gone quiet
How predictable

Christy o connor awesome writer only poor piece ever wrote was when he said start this management was new science more less cork football needed

One point he made there was depended on he's selectors who brought in
Connor imo rushed praise cork had right man before knew selector was
O connor now if look see cork selectors no record at all and this often overlooked consistently by pundits


Just look at most of the teams left
Management strike out like sore thumb
McGrath outstanding all ireland management down and Irish rules manager
Ryan isn't great but solid and was proven Wexford
Kerry fitzmaurice and course awesome o Neill
Dublin Gavin proven senior under twenty one
Mayo have management while I doubt joint status they coached mayo under twenty one all ireland some club success but skill coach awesome donie Buckley kerry well proven


This fella is a legend

Donegal Gallagher new but worked mcguimness and coaches the system
Monaghan article posted last week o rourke outstanding record fermanagh and club etc now monaghan
Tyrone yes may outgrown the team but harte under age and three senior all ireland outstanding


Compare and contrast that to the Cork set up and it's not me anti Cork management rather more so I look at rest and compare this to them there logic say cork miles off standard
Galway Kevin Walsh proven sligo limited team made them better than they were


Cork management have to be held accountable for shambles and Cork hurling also but hurling be fair jbm least made cork better were took over as had them top four three years and owed cork nothing and limited resources
Football unlike hurling has senior all ireland better young talent and were top four but now top six if even that

One gold point made in cuthbhertt defence and I said this before is he's good administration and done well with development squads

Great organisation and structure there even though had be revamped from initial launch
He deserves huge huge credit this
I hope he's involved cork gaa this side think as he could be huge asset
I said this many times before


Unfortunately imo management not the players are the weakest part this set up and Cork can do reviews after reviewing after reviews but fooling no one of this management get second term

This management not intercounty and crucially I now feel players lost belive this set up
Imagine your colm o Neill you get no ball
Imagine you player played out position
If fans are able see this let's not kid ourselves course players can
Players are intelligent humans doctors banks etc there professional working people after two years big defeat after defeat big games surely reasonable to say have they lost confidence management


Just my opinion nothing more but I believe the management have lost this dressing room and one off game v weak kerry team with four key players not starting just one off emotional game every team has back wall performance but once it gone the failing system etc exposed


McCarthy made point about structure kerry
In fairness every one knows my biggest concern all year and I said it time again cork play individual indeed under this management never once played as a team big games once there under pressure no default system like kk tipp monaghan Donegal that play bad still eke or grind out championship win bar tippeary game
It's all or nothing usually with the performances
It's time for a change in cork football


Rumours has it may of not be true but this management cuthbhertt wants second term and some feel he should get it

youngbob wrote: »

What was more disheartening then the performance on Sunday was the Cork 'fans' speaking shamefully about OUR players. A large portion of these 'fans' will go to 3 or 4 matches a year. Probably are not involved in their local club but pay their money to get in & they think that gives them the right to hurl terrible abuse about the players. I know they didn't do themselves justice on Sunday but they are more disappointed than any supporter. the things I heard coming out of Semple about Walsh Cooper Ellis and a few others made me embarrassed to be wearing the same colours. Training 5/6 times a week and then not turn up on the day must be a terrible feeling. So I asking people on this site don't be so hard on the squad, its the same with the footballers. The target should & MUST be the gombeens Donal Og is talking about. The way things are going the only time Parc de Frank will be filled is if Garth Brooks will come

I agree all that
Cahalane gets unfair critsed
He wasn't worst player sunday and ist yellow harsh
Good year over all
Once on field performance it's fine but fella went over mark here saying cahalane should be banned hurling football cork which awful remark made
Gareth Brook is coming to cork I heard opening song cork gaa is if tomorrow never comes
As cork gaa always case tomorrow but nothing ever done
False promises reviews after reviewing
Problem is lads doing reviews

I don't get why having no commitment or desire on the pitch from the players is the fault of anyone but the players. You are responsible for your own attitude, end of.

Its all well and good Donal Og getting paid big money to travel to Dublin every Sunday night and take cheap shots at Frank Murphy and the board when they aren't there to defend themselves but if he was such a true Cork man should he not be at home helping out his club or county.

There are lots of problems in Cork and people getting up on the pulpit without contributing anything to their own club or county is certainly one of them

Kieran Shannon comes up again with another fantastic article in the Examiner ....just outstanding .

danganabu wrote: »

I have no real thoughts on the football tbh, hurling is my main interest.

I just find it very strange that JBM escapes any sort of negative reactionm at all, last Sundays performance and last years semi v Tipp were two of the most embarrassing performances ever for Cork and nobody has dared say anything remotely negative about the management team.

The 2013 ALL Ireland Senior Hurling Championship was a complete anomally and both Cork and Clares form lines since proves this - Cork, Clare and indeed Dublin all thought they were in a far better place than they were based on that years results. And have no doubt that Davy Fitz and JBM are still at the their respective helms as a result.

I appreciate thaty I am unlikely to get support here from Cork GAA men and women when I question JBM's suitability for the job but the questions need to be aske and if he wasn't teh iconic figure that he is there is no doubt he would be gone already.

Fair enough if you don't have interest on the football but that's the main reason I think Cuthbert gets so much more criticism.

There's definitely a reluctance to criticise JBM, no doubt about it but in fairness there has been talk here that he's not the best tactical manager.

Last year's Tipp game and Galway this year concerns me purely because of how flat we were on both days. The thing that I enjoyed so much about 2013 was the fight and spirit we showed throughout. That alone nearly robbed us an All-Ireland. I'm not sure where that has gone and that's a big worry.

Again from the outside looking in surely the current situation with the hurlers is only a blip? granted it could be 15 years before ye win the senior all irl since your previous one.I mean with the size of the county with the proper structures in place it should take at max ten yrs before you start to see improvement and for me I know your u21s have been woeful as of late but am I correct in saying the cork minors drew with the Waterford minor winning team of 13 and last yr though limerick were better they put it up to a very good limerick minor team who should have won the all irl last yr, and finally this yr ye should have beaten limerick and prob would have had if they hadn't lost Kingston and in my opinion would have been right up there to win the minor outright this yr.

I wouldn't be as familiar with the names but that lad coleman and Kingston are defo 2 that could improve and I don't think for one second there isn't more

Club games on this weekend