CORKDOUBLE wrote: » I have watched both games for my sins ....both teams showed no hunger , no desire , no commitment ...poor decision making ...whats wrong that our teams cant maintain the workrate and desire and hunger that is a requirement in any championship match to give your all beat your man die on your feet etc...both teams did this in there matches against Kerry drawn game and the Clare hurling match and look at the results...the changes made by the hurling management did not work ..why did they make them... the team that finished against Clare looked the team to go with yesterday ...luck with injurys etc went against the footballers bigtime the 7 day turnaround ...but there are no excuses for the effort on Saturday night ...when they played with drive towards the end it showed if they started like that they would have won...but once again the management have got it all wrong and why were some players drinking last week ...I hope JBM stays we don't have anyone else ...he could get Pat Mulcahy on board ...the football management must go ...if interested now John Cleary should get a chance he would have the respect of the players he knows them all from his u21 days....but I don't like the statement from Ger Lane sounds like Cuthbert will be asked again and funny I think JBM might go .
Amprodude wrote: » Agree with Cuthbert statement you made. He is away out of his depth and out at sea. We will have no success with him. Also I think JBM hasn't got it either with the hurlers and the reason I say this is, Leaving out that we don't have quality hurlers here my main reasons why he shouldn't continue., poor recent record with the Cork team. 2012 league final destroyed by Kilkenny. 2012 semi final against Galway beaten well even-though it was only five points. 2013 league final beaten by Clare well. 2013 Munster final destroyed by Limerick. 2013 all Ireland final well beaten all over the field both days against Clare. 2014 Semi Final v Tipperary similar to yesterday a no show. 2015 League final destroyed by Waterford. 2015 Munster semi final destroyed by Waterford and yesterday's game tells me I have enough of JBM. He is not a good tactical manager makes bad calls and isn't blessed with having top class players at his disposal. If this was in Kerry with the footballers he would be sacked straight away. Mullachy couldn't do any worse with the hurlers so if he's next in line to manage, let him in and try him out. We are going nowhere soon anyway. JBM you did your best your a legend in Cork but like Cuthbert must leave command now. Rant over.
Mountainlad wrote: » I remember the doom and gloom around Corks underage shambles and the despair for the county going forward being talked about at the back end of 2011. After all, yed been hammered by Galway who in turn were hammered by Waterford, who were hammered by Tipp, who lost to Kilkenny so ye were quite a ways a way from the top table. I remember when the rumors about JBM started that some posters said it was absolutely vital he come in as it could be the one saving grace of a bleak future outlook. To some degree I think that was spot on. An all Ireland semi in his first year, seconds from an all Ireland in his second year, a Munster in his third year. The success he carved with the Seniors meant that the underage problems were out of the limelight once more. In fact, if you'd have predicted the weekends beating or the all Ireland semi final loss on the basis of poor underage structures leading to players not at the level of their counterparts, you'd have been laughed at. It's only in the wake of those two results it's really been highlighted once more, courtesy of Cusack. Point I'm making, is given very few quality players were coming through and that JBM has had the same sub standard team from 2011 aside from that, he has done a great job with Cork once again. There was no need for him to come back after what he achieved in his first stint as manager but he did so because he lives Cork Gaa. If anyone owes Cork nothing it's him. I have no doubt most of ye will remember that. What's more is he comes across as a really genuine fella too.
commonsense. wrote: » Re the bit in bold, you are spot on. JBMs relative success allowed the CCB to continue with their propaganda and persist with their neglect of hurling at grass roots level.
youngbob wrote: » What was more disheartening then the performance on Sunday was the Cork 'fans' speaking shamefully about OUR players. A large portion of these 'fans' will go to 3 or 4 matches a year. Probably are not involved in their local club but pay their money to get in & they think that gives them the right to hurl terrible abuse about the players. I know they didn't do themselves justice on Sunday but they are more disappointed than any supporter. the things I heard coming out of Semple about Walsh Cooper Ellis and a few others made me embarrassed to be wearing the same colours. Training 5/6 times a week and then not turn up on the day must be a terrible feeling. So I asking people on this site don't be so hard on the squad, its the same with the footballers. The target should & MUST be the gombeens Donal Og is talking about. The way things are going the only time Parc de Frank will be filled is if Garth Brooks will come
Tomfla wrote: » I don't get why having no commitment or desire on the pitch from the players is the fault of anyone but the players. You are responsible for your own attitude, end of. Its all well and good Donal Og getting paid big money to travel to Dublin every Sunday night and take cheap shots at Frank Murphy and the board when they aren't there to defend themselves but if he was such a true Cork man should he not be at home helping out his club or county. There are lots of problems in Cork and people getting up on the pulpit without contributing anything to their own club or county is certainly one of them
danganabu wrote: » I must say as an outsider looking in I find it very amusing that all the collective faults of Cork Football are the responsibility of Cuthbert but that the shortcomings of the hurlers is down to Frank Murphy and the quality of players. Some people really need to take off the blinkers when it comes to JBM.
Figsy32 wrote: » Speaking for myself, I feel the hurlers are, by in large, picking the best players in their best positions and they're just not good enough. It's not the same for the footballers though.
danganabu wrote: » I have no real thoughts on the football tbh, hurling is my main interest. I just find it very strange that JBM escapes any sort of negative reactionm at all, last Sundays performance and last years semi v Tipp were two of the most embarrassing performances ever for Cork and nobody has dared say anything remotely negative about the management team. The 2013 ALL Ireland Senior Hurling Championship was a complete anomally and both Cork and Clares form lines since proves this - Cork, Clare and indeed Dublin all thought they were in a far better place than they were based on that years results. And have no doubt that Davy Fitz and JBM are still at the their respective helms as a result. I appreciate thaty I am unlikely to get support here from Cork GAA men and women when I question JBM's suitability for the job but the questions need to be aske and if he wasn't teh iconic figure that he is there is no doubt he would be gone already.
Figsy32 wrote: » Fair enough if you don't have interest on the football but that's the main reason I think Cuthbert gets so much more criticism. There's definitely a reluctance to criticise JBM, no doubt about it but in fairness there has been talk here that he's not the best tactical manager. Last year's Tipp game and Galway this year concerns me purely because of how flat we were on both days. The thing that I enjoyed so much about 2013 was the fight and spirit we showed throughout. That alone nearly robbed us an All-Ireland. I'm not sure where that has gone and that's a big worry.
