The Sunday Game Thread

Mountainlad · 26-07-2015 10:53PM

Cheese Wagstaff wrote: »

Maurice Shanahan got it, any of him, Gleeson or Bennett would have been fair.

I'm seriously impressed at how Waterford have managed to form a brand new team out of nowhere (not literally nowhere, as they have had underage success of course), and how they have all fit in seamlessly. It's both fascinating and very encouraging.

And lastly, Austin Gleeson. What a phenomenal talent. Mother of god. He is everything you want in a modern day hurler.

When you say brand new team out of nothing what exactly do you mean?

11 of the players that started today started in the defeat to Wexford last year. 3 others were injured and so didn't start. The other was Shane Bennett, who was still a minor. Of the subs, Daniels was injured last year and Paddy Curran was a minor. Tom Devine the only one really whose been called up that wasn't there last year who is getting game time. Stephen Bennett also came on against Wexford last year.

As for out of nowhere, the work has been done with schools and underage teams so it's a consequence of that. Two Or three tony forristals since 2007, 3 Croke cups, 4 Harry cups, one all Ireland b, 2 Munster bs (one of which was a final between Dungarvan CBS and St Paul's in Waterford). This year was the first year since 2009 that we didn't win a match at Minor level, the standard of hurlers coming through has been high. Hasn't been reflected at u21 level but I genuinely don't think that's as important as it's being made out to be. 8 of the starting team have won fitzgibbons, a lot of Waterford hurlers featuring in college teams that wasn't the case even as recent as a couple of years ago.

It's no accident. I know it's off topic, and I know to be fair to you that you wouldn't be exposed to all this as much as I would being from Waterford, but if you don't mind me saying I assume the comments about it being a new team for example are to some degree fueled by the reporting on Waterford this year.

Going back to my original point about how many of them played last year, I find it incredible that the writers for articles on websites like the Gaa.ie for example still talk about an almost entirely new look Waterford team when that is not the case. The only decent article I saw this year was by Sean Moran where he talked about the underage success but even at that he failed to mention how many of the Waterford team is basically the same as that which lined out against Wexford last year in terms of personnel.

Edit: having read that again you did acknowledge the underage success so I apologize on that.

washman3 · 26-07-2015 10:56PM

dastardly00 wrote: »

That table/graph that Donal Og really highlights how bad Cork hurling has become over the last six years.

Is it more than a coincidence that Cork hurling is in freefall since the strike, ironically led by Donal Og and a handful of his cronies.?
That strike had an adverse effect on hurling in the county.

tayto lover · 26-07-2015 10:59PM

Brolly is really doing my head in tonight.
He must be sponsored by a pharmacy.

OldMrBrennan83 · 26-07-2015 11:00PM

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Amprodude · 26-07-2015 11:00PM

washman3 wrote: »

Is it more than a coincidence that Cork hurling is in freefall since the strike, ironically led by Donal Og and a handful of his cronies.?
That strike had an adverse effect on hurling in the county.

Players should be there. We have 300 clubs. Plenty of range there to get top class 30 players. We don't have the best players on the team. Aidan Walsh and Cahalane? Come on they are very average players and today showed that.

iDave · 26-07-2015 11:02PM

Patww79 wrote: »

It's just a wall of noise when he's on. Complete dose.

Still banging on about a refereeing decision 2 games earlier and then resting his head on his hand.
Complete lack of professionalism.

OldMrBrennan83 · 26-07-2015 11:04PM

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Nib · 26-07-2015 11:04PM

Jesus, what utter tripe this is. You'd think Cork played Kerry last night the way Brolly is going on.

What an insufferable wanker!

washman3 · 26-07-2015 11:08PM

Amprodude wrote: »

Players should be there. We have 300 clubs. Plenty of range there to get top class 30 players. We don't have the best players on the team. Aidan Walsh and Cahalane? Come on they are very average players and today showed that.

True, while Cahalane will give absolutely 110% to the cause every game he's simply not up to the calibre of Cork senior intercounty players that we are accustomed to.
Walshe is a footballer, full stop. But he seems to have gained cult status in Cork Gaa circles for reasons that simply baffle me. He has been placed on a pedestal and compared to Brian Corcoran since minor grade.

Realt Dearg Sec · 26-07-2015 11:11PM

zetecescort wrote: »

gotten to stage that Croke Park need to get involved but they will never go over Frank's head.

What business is it of Croke Park that Cork can't get their **** together? It's not really their job to ensure Cork have successful teams. And it's certainly not their job to step in over your own county board because your clubs haven't the balls to get the people they want in charge (and if they already have who they want in charge, then...well...whose problem is that outside of Cork?)

Stacksofwacks · 26-07-2015 11:18PM

Kenajonn wrote: »

Donal Og just called Henry Shefflin stupid very poor form Donal Og

yes it was but you have to think where Donal Og is coming from. He led 3 different strikes in the 00's to make changes in Cork hurling and nothing really changed hence you have an outcome like that today. He's trying to articulate his frustration calmly and Henry basically asks what's the deal with Cork hurling coming from a Kilkenny man who never had to deal with such nonsense from his county board nor understands how something like this could happen.

Realt Dearg Sec · 26-07-2015 11:22PM

Stacksofwacks wrote: »

He led 3 different strikes in the 00's to make changes in Cork hurling and nothing really changed

Ah, well, then Henry Shefflin MUST be stupid.

Amprodude · 26-07-2015 11:27PM

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

Ah, well, then Henry Shefflin MUST be stupid.

Henry doesn't have much between the ears but good hurler.

Hitchens · 26-07-2015 11:32PM

Amprodude wrote: »

Henry doesn't have much between the ears but good hurler.

the greatest hurler of all time, actually

Amprodude · 26-07-2015 11:33PM

Hitchens wrote: »

the greatest hurler of all time, actually

Debatable. Players like Tony Browne never get recognised because they didn't win All Irelands. Henry was part of an epic team and best manager of all time. Tony Browne wasn't. Tony Browne for me had everything as a player
but didnt have all ireland success at senior level.

Realt Dearg Sec · 26-07-2015 11:40PM

Amprodude wrote: »

Henry doesn't have much between the ears but good hurler.

I wouldn't mind that that's completely insulting, but it's also completely wrong. Ironically, a pretty stupid post, all in all. And doesn't go any way towards addressing Donal Og's ignorant sideswipe, nothing at all unusual from a man who never really got around to taking his never-ending beatings from Shefflin et al with even a hint of grace, and now has to resort to insulting him while on his other hobby horse (the main one being to blame Kilkenny for...whatever the moan du jour is today) of blaming everyone but himself and his team mates for the total collapse of their hurling team after 2005.

Amprodude · 26-07-2015 11:57PM

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

I wouldn't mind that that's completely insulting, but it's also completely wrong. Ironically, a pretty stupid post, all in all. And doesn't go any way towards addressing Donal Og's ignorant sideswipe, nothing at all unusual from a man who never really got around to taking his never-ending beatings from Shefflin et al with even a hint of grace, and now has to resort to insulting him while on his other hobby horse (the main one being to blame Kilkenny for...whatever the moan du jour is today) of blaming everyone but himself and his team mates for the total collapse of their hurling team after 2005.

I did say he was a good hurler.

Realt Dearg Sec · 27-07-2015 12:05AM

Amprodude wrote: »

I did say he was a good hurler.

Which was the greatest insult of all!

Stacksofwacks · 27-07-2015 12:08AM

Henry is an intelligent guy, no doubt. Donal og shouldnt have reacted like that but I think it was more frustration boiling over about the Cork situation and Henry was just an innocent bystander!

hardybuck · 27-07-2015 12:10AM

Had to laugh at Shefflin staring at Donal Og with his gob open for about 30 seconds before interrupting with a question because he probably felt as if he should probably say something. He then misread the analysis and asked silly questions - if he did that in work lads would be wondering about him.

Brolly as well spent 80% of the time talking about previous weeks games and didn't analyse the game itself. Whelan was getting pretty fed up with his interruptions.

Stacksofwacks · 27-07-2015 12:11AM

Even the normally cool JBM lost the plot slightly at the end of the interview so something must be seriously wrong

Mountainlad · 27-07-2015 12:42AM

washman3 wrote: »

Is it more than a coincidence that Cork hurling is in freefall since the strike, ironically led by Donal Og and a handful of his cronies.?
That strike had an adverse effect on hurling in the county.

Elaborate on that please. Don't see how you can come to that conclusion.

I do find though that Donal Og has an agenda when he's going off on one about this. Don't like that it all becomes about him and Cork either. The Sunday Game is bigger than that.

hardybuck · 27-07-2015 12:55AM

In fairness to Donal Og I think he genuinely wants Cork to be successful, as I'm sure everyone down there does. But you have to sit up and listen to some of the points that he's making.

The hurlers are probably overachieving, they would appear to have issues in their structures and have been left behind at club, schools and underage in Munster. That can't have anything to do with the senior county team going on strike in the 00s.

Then their footballers are totally underachieving and have been for some time. They've fantasic players who've done it all at underage. Should have won at least one more all Ireland in the Counihan era, and stumbled over the line the year they won it when they should have won the competition comfortably. They looked awful v Kildare yesterday and had the lack of bottle which people pointed to before the Kerry games.

So an awful weekend for Cork GAA. When was the last time they had no teams playing in August?

ProudDUB · 27-07-2015 01:06AM

Mountainlad wrote: »

Elaborate on that please. Don't see how you can come to that conclusion.

I do find though that Donal Og has an agenda when he's going off on one about this. Don't like that it all becomes about him and Cork either. The Sunday Game is bigger than that.

But who else is going to speak up if he doesn't? Should things just be left to go on as they are...Frank Murphy running Cork GAA like his own personal fiefdom, spending 70 million on a white elephant stadium project that will see a full house maybe 2-3 times a year, the neglect of under age structures, the fact that so many players involved with the most recent AI wins, have been marginalized & shut out from having anything to do with inter county coaching, because they were on the "losing" side of the strikes?

Should the Sunday Game ignore all that, just so that they don't piss Chairman Frank off? People are spending far too much time knocking Donal Og and his so called agenda and not enough examining the cold hard facts of what he is laying out on the table. Until that stops, Cork GAA will continue to decline.

Amprodude · 27-07-2015 01:10AM

hardybuck wrote: »

In fairness to Donal Og I think he genuinely wants Cork to be successful, as I'm sure everyone down there does. But you have to sit up and listen to some of the points that he's making.

The hurlers are probably overachieving, they would appear to have issues in their structures and have been left behind at club, schools and underage in Munster. That can't have anything to do with the senior county team going on strike in the 00s.

Then their footballers are totally underachieving and have been for some time. They've fantasic players who've done it all at underage. Should have won at least one more all Ireland in the Counihan era, and stumbled over the line the year they won it when they should have won the competition comfortably. They looked awful v Kildare yesterday and had the lack of bottle which people pointed to before the Kerry games.

So an awful weekend for Cork GAA. When was the last time they had no teams playing in August?

2001

hardybuck · 27-07-2015 01:19AM

Amprodude wrote: »

2001

Does that include minor?

windy shepard henderson · 27-07-2015 01:27AM

donal og is right about the clubs though , in fairness there is a large number of players on the cork hurling panel at the moment from the football areas , which speaks volumes about what the clubs in the traditional hurling areas are not doing , i am not sure if balming the county board solves all of corks problems , there are plenty of yes men hanger's on and dictatorship chairmen in an awfull lot of other counties too , the last really good cork teams of the early to mid 2000's were also only a bare panel of maybe 20 players, if one or two really key players got injured they struggled to replace them , which tells me but for a number of exceptional players that came together from maybe 3 or 4 clubs the problem was already in existence back then

Amprodude · 27-07-2015 01:28AM

hardybuck wrote: »

Does that include minor?

Senior only.

Very Bored · 27-07-2015 08:16AM

Stacksofwacks wrote: »

yes it was but you have to think where Donal Og is coming from. He led 3 different strikes in the 00's to make changes in Cork hurling and nothing really changed hence you have an outcome like that today. He's trying to articulate his frustration calmly and Henry basically asks what's the deal with Cork hurling coming from a Kilkenny man who never had to deal with such nonsense from his county board nor understands how something like this could happen.

So Donal Og etc. went on strike three times and via these strikes he and his mates ended up with a complete cow pat of a county board that puts in yes man, after yes man, after yes man into the most important positions in the county. Kilkenny county board made a brave decision nearly twenty years ago to bring in a man who doesn't give a b*llocks how other people think he should run the shop, its his way or the highway, and the Cats have been richly rewarded. And its Henry Shefflin who is stupid? I never liked Donal Og, neither as a player nor as a commentator and he's done this cr*p with Brendan Cummins before. Now this just confirms what I thought all along, the man is an idiot.

namloc1980 · 27-07-2015 09:20AM

It's alright. Once we have our shiny new stadium and 1 pitch Centre of Excellence everything will be grand.

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