Reseeding 2015

just do it · 22-07-2015 7:15pm

mahoney_j wrote: »

Why the ph2ylosith gg.i priced and looked at it when doing my reseed 2 weeks ago and couldn't justify the price 245 a tonne.200 kg per acre at reseed and 100 kg every year then.put out 2 tonne ground lime at 23 euro an acre spread and I'll get 4/5 years before it'll need any again

I thought the rule of thumb is 1t/yr?

Greengrass1 · 22-07-2015 7:18pm

mahoney_j wrote: »

Why the phylosith gg.i priced and looked at it when doing my reseed 2 weeks ago and couldn't justify the price 245 a tonne.200 kg per acre at reseed and 100 kg every year then.put out 2 tonne ground lime at 23 euro an acre spread and I'll get 4/5 years before it'll need any again

Cause I have it in the yard lol.

Ah no we like it here. Really did alot for the soil structure imo.
Usually at reseeding we go with 100 kg and 50kg every jan then.
Soil resting again this jan but 9h was still at 6.5 lwhen we tested 2 yrs ago

We're getting it for 220/t

mahoney_j · 22-07-2015 7:22pm

just do it wrote: »

I thought the rule of thumb is 1t/yr?

1/2 to 3/4 tonne for grazing and one average cut silage per year is what I work off

RobinBanks · 23-07-2015 9:52am

Does grass seed have a best before date? I got 10 acres worth of seed a couple of weeks ago but the land I reclaimed is still not dry enough to seed and it wont be for another couple of weeks. Bulldozer left if very raw.

I am wondering how long would he seed keep? Say if things got really bad and I did not get it seeded until Sept / October would this seed be still ok to use?

frogloch · 23-07-2015 10:37am

RobinBanks wrote: »

Does grass seed have a best before date? I got 10 acres worth of seed a couple of weeks ago but the land I reclaimed is still not dry enough to seed and it wont be for another couple of weeks. Bulldozer left if very raw.

I am wondering how long would he seed keep? Say if things got really bad and I did not get it seeded until Sept / October would this seed be still ok to use?

Keep a year or a little over it as long as you keep it dry and stop moisture getting near it, otherwise will start to go mouldy.

djmc · 24-07-2015 5:47pm

Anyone know if it OK to power harrow or rotavate after spreading grass seed.
A lot of grass and trash on ground that seed was spread on.

White Clover · 24-07-2015 5:58pm

djmc wrote: »

Anyone know if it OK to power harrow or rotavate after spreading grass seed.
A lot of grass and trash on ground that seed was spread on.

No it would Bury seed too deep. Have u a chain Harrow ? This would gather the trash. Go over and back across the field and lift at the headlands you would have to gather from here or push up against ditch. Ideally should be done before seeding. Never had that problem but we sometimes use this method if a lot of stones on top of ground

djmc · 24-07-2015 6:12pm

Don't have chain harrow and would be worried it would remove the seed spread on grass and trash at this stage
Also it wet heavy ground on hill so is not really able to travel with tractor at the moment.
If it stays dry for another day or 2 might be able to roll or rotavate.
It seems to have a lot more trash now after drying out a bit.

White Clover · 24-07-2015 6:18pm

djmc wrote: »

Don't have chain harrow and would be worried it would remove the seed spread on grass and trash at this stage
Also it wet heavy ground on hill so is not really able to travel with tractor at the moment.
If it stays dry for another day or 2 might be able to roll or rotavate.
It seems to have a lot more trash now after drying out a bit.

shur the rotavator will put the seed down 6 inches. I'd let the trash there before going near it with that. If wet, the roller won't improve things either. Only leave tracks trying to drag it around

Markcheese · 24-07-2015 7:24pm

Roll - roll - roll - or rain rain rain -

djmc · 24-07-2015 8:45pm

Thanks for the info might try to roll the dry parts and hopefully the rain will do the rest.
Thought about buying or making a roller for the quad but don't think it would have any impact weight wise.

just do it · 24-07-2015 8:50pm

djmc wrote: »

Anyone know if it OK to power harrow or rotavate after spreading grass seed.
A lot of grass and trash on ground that seed was spread on.

Leave it alone! It's wet ground so seed will take. I'd seed take on headlands of a freshly cut silage field which had no cultivation

yosemitesam1 · 25-07-2015 7:55am

djmc wrote: »

Don't have chain harrow and would be worried it would remove the seed spread on grass and trash at this stage
Also it wet heavy ground on hill so is not really able to travel with tractor at the moment.
If it stays dry for another day or 2 might be able to roll or rotavate.
It seems to have a lot more trash now after drying out a bit.

Did you stick out any lime, decomposing trash will reduce germination if it stays wet

jfh · 25-07-2015 9:25am

Out of interest, what's the going rate for spreading a ton of lime?
Getting quoted €25

zetor 4911 · 25-07-2015 11:01am

Hi,
Reseeded a field last week sprayed off about 6 weeks ago. Applied lime then power harrowed and put seed in. Spread fertiliser 2 days later and then rolled. Went to look at it this morning and grass starting to come up but the field it a mess as something has dug it up. As I did not plough there is a far bit of trash on surface and this trash was dug up. Would it be birds that is doing this? Anyone with any experience of this?

td5man · 25-07-2015 12:21pm

jfh wrote: »

Out of interest, what's the going rate for spreading a ton of lime?
Getting quoted €25

Supplied and spread <€20 , neighbours wanted €24.

jfh · 25-07-2015 12:43pm

td5man wrote: »

Supplied and spread <€20 , neighbours wanted €24.

Where about is that?
Good value. I'm getting quotes of mcgraths in clare

td5man · 25-07-2015 12:55pm

jfh wrote: »

Where about is that?
Good value. I'm getting quotes of mcgraths in clare

North East family rate.

just do it · 25-07-2015 8:05pm

jfh wrote: »

Where about is that?
Good value. I'm getting quotes of mcgraths in clare

Sounds about right. Was €20 before Whelans shut and when that happened it jumped to €22. Last year was €24.

just do it · 26-07-2015 12:34pm

10 days

just do it · 26-07-2015 12:37pm

Some more

Count Mondego · 30-07-2015 12:07pm

Lads,

What fertiliser are ye putting down with the reseed? I'd usually go with 3 X 10.10.20 but as I'm index 1 for both P and K it think is might be

1 X 0-16-0
2 X 10.10.20

Is there a danger lashing out P during the summer with cattle grazing in a few weeks, could too much be toxic?

White Clover · 30-07-2015 12:28pm

Count Mondego wrote: »

Lads,

What fertiliser are ye putting down with the reseed? I'd usually go with 3 X 10.10.20 but as I'm index 1 for both P and K it think is might be

1 X 0-16-0
2 X 10.10.20

Is there a danger lashing out P during the summer with cattle grazing in a few weeks, could too much be toxic?

I wouldn't think so count. I'd even go heavier than what you're thinking

Username John · 30-07-2015 12:34pm

Count Mondego wrote: »

Lads,

What fertiliser are ye putting down with the reseed? I'd usually go with 3 X 10.10.20 but as I'm index 1 for both P and K it think is might be

1 X 0-16-0
2 X 10.10.20

Is there a danger lashing out P during the summer with cattle grazing in a few weeks, could too much be toxic?

If you are index 1 in both P and K - why go with 0-16-0?

Would you not be better off going with 10-10-20 - as you have both P & K, for almost the same price? (given you need both?)

Greengrass1 · 30-07-2015 1:16pm

Count Mondego wrote: »

Lads,

What fertiliser are ye putting down with the reseed? I'd usually go with 3 X 10.10.20 but as I'm index 1 for both P and K it think is might be

1 X 0-16-0
2 X 10.10.20

Is there a danger lashing out P during the summer with cattle grazing in a few weeks, could too much be toxic?

Go with 4 bags of 0 10 20.
That's what we do here. Easy way of building indexs

mahoney_j · 30-07-2015 2:01pm

Reseeded 8 acres 3 weeks ago .4*10 10 20 and 2 tonne lime per acre .spread 30 units urea on it this am.flying out of the ground

degetme · 30-07-2015 2:38pm

mahoney_j wrote: »

Reseeded 8 acres 3 weeks ago .4*10 10 20 and 2 tonne lime per acre .spread 30 units urea on it this am.flying out of the ground

I taught you weren't to spread urea so soon after ground lime

mahoney_j · 30-07-2015 2:58pm

Fook ur correct didn't even think of it,aghh bol1x .sure it's out now nothing can be done .

Count Mondego · 30-07-2015 10:07pm

Username John wrote: »

If you are index 1 in both P and K - why go with 0-16-0?

Would you not be better off going with 10-10-20 - as you have both P & K, for almost the same price? (given you need both?)

Thanks John. P is more important for root growth in the first year. It would be getting plenty K next spring as they're both silage fields.

Username John · 30-07-2015 10:13pm

Count Mondego wrote: »

Thanks John. P is more important for root growth in the first year. It would be getting plenty K next spring as they're both silage fields.

I know and I bought 0-16-0 as I was index 1 for P as well (although index 4 for K strangely)

But was sorry I didn't just get more 10-10-20 in the end, it seemed more cost effective, as the bit of N would have been good too.

After going with the 0-16-0 in some fields, the difference in the first spring grass was unreal...

CloughCasey1 · 30-07-2015 10:16pm

Going to burn off two acres next wk with roundup. How soon can I give it dung??

Was thinking:

Spray
Heavy coat of fym
Four bags of gran lime
Two runs of disc harrow
Rotavator thats on deaths door (as contractor refuses to use power harrow as our ground is so rocky)
Grass seed
6bags 0-10-20
Big bush
Roll

Any ideas of good mix to use on light very free draining soil? Also like the idea of clover in the mix as trying to let the clover do the N bit from april to before closing when I might put out some can. Mainly use 10-10-20 or 18-6-12 S5% on other reseeded ground in summer and doesn't seem to affect the clover.

CloughCasey1 · 30-07-2015 10:19pm

Oh and I forgot about 4 trailers of stones if yer free don't be shy!

Count Mondego · 30-07-2015 10:21pm

Username John wrote: »

But was sorry I didn't just get more 10-10-20 in the end, it seemed more cost effective, as the bit of N would have been good too.

I have found in the past that anything more than 30 units of N is a disaster as it drives the new grass to quickly. Put out 3 x 18-6-12 before as it was in the shed, never again. I had silage after a few weeks as I couldn't graze it with broken weather.

Username John · 30-07-2015 10:23pm

CloughCasey1 wrote: »

Going to burn off two acres next wk with roundup. How soon can I give it dung??

Was thinking:

Spray
Heavy coat of fym
Four bags of gran lime
Two runs of disc harrow
Rotavator thats on deaths door (as contractor refuses to use power harrow as our ground is so rocky)
Grass seed
6bags 0-10-20
Big bush
Roll

Any ideas of good mix to use on light very free draining soil? Also like the idea of clover in the mix as trying to let the clover do the N bit from april to before closing when I might put out some can. Mainly use 10-10-20 or 18-6-12 S5% on other reseeded ground in summer and doesn't seem to affect the clover.

Would you need the rotavator after the disc harrow? Esp if the ground is stoney?

Reseeding 2 acres myself at the min, contractor said to out out 6 bags granlime, as there was a good bit of thrash... But you mightn't have the same issue...

Username John · 30-07-2015 10:25pm

Count Mondego wrote: »

I have found in the past that anything more than 30 units of N is a disaster as it drives the new grass to quickly. Put out 3 x 18-6-12 before as it was in the shed, never again. I had silage after a few weeks as I couldn't graze it with broken weather.

Ah, ok. We have the opposite.
Dry enough ground, and sheep...

Robson99 · 30-07-2015 10:52pm

mahoney_j wrote: »

Reseeded 8 acres 3 weeks ago .4*10 10 20 and 2 tonne lime per acre .spread 30 units urea on it this am.flying out of the ground

What varieties did you use mj

Greengrass1 · 30-07-2015 10:57pm

Username John wrote: »

Would you need the rotavator after the disc harrow? Esp if the ground is stoney?

Reseeding 2 acres myself at the min, contractor said to out out 6 bags granlime, as there was a good bit of thrash... But you mightn't have the same issue...

6 bags of gran lime :eek: 3 would be plenty.
what's the ph atm

CloughCasey1 · 31-07-2015 12:11am

Username John wrote: »

Would you need the rotavator after the disc harrow? Esp if the ground is stoney?

Reseeding 2 acres myself at the min, contractor said to out out 6 bags granlime, as there was a good bit of thrash... But you mightn't have the same issue...

Might try it without that and see.

mahoney_j · 31-07-2015 7:42am

Robson99 wrote: »

What varieties did you use mj

6 kg Tyrella,4 kg abberchoice 4 kg Aston energy no clover

Greengrass1 · 31-07-2015 8:21am

mahoney_j wrote: »

6 kg Tyrella,4 kg abberchoice 4 kg Aston energy no clover

Would you not change it up.a little and choose different varieties. Tyrella has been well outclassed now
Did you not use that mix last yr aswell?
Clanrye going in here with aberherald clover @.7kg/ac when we decide what to do with this field

mahoney_j · 31-07-2015 9:07am

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Would you not change it up.a little and choose different varieties. Tyrella has been well outclassed now
Did you not use that mix last yr aswell?
Clanrye going in here with aberherald clover @.7kg/ac when we decide what to do with this field

Nope it's doing the business gg so no need to change .i like Tyrella great for early and late season growth

Greengrass1 · 31-07-2015 9:20am

mahoney_j wrote: »

Nope it's doing the business gg so no need to change .i like Tyrella great for early and late season growth

Dunluce abetmagic and abergain well ahead of it mj.
Try one if them instead of tyrella next time.

mahoney_j · 31-07-2015 9:40am

Dunluce and abbergsin both tetraploids ,not a fan and dunluce heads too early 30/5 .abbermagic looks ok but also heads too early 30/5

mahoney_j · 31-07-2015 9:42am

Username John wrote: »

Would you need the rotavator after the disc harrow? Esp if the ground is stoney?

Reseeding 2 acres myself at the min, contractor said to out out 6 bags granlime, as there was a good bit of thrash... But you mightn't have the same issue...

2 tonne ground lime better and cheaper in long run .6 bags seems very excessive

Greengrass1 · 31-07-2015 9:43am

mahoney_j wrote: »

Dunluce and abbergsin both tetraploids ,not a fan and dunluce heads too early 30/5 .abbermagic looks ok but also heads too early 30/5

Dry ground? Should be no issue. I've abergain on its on and think it has very ground cover. Even though only sown this yr I know.
Have it in 3 paddocks along with aberchoice and tyrella but the abergain on its own is king in my book grazed 3 times this month while other reseeds are 14 days

mahoney_j · 31-07-2015 9:46am

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Dry ground? Should be no issue. I've abergain on its on and it's very think ground cover.
Have it in 3 paddocks along with aberchoice and tyrella but there abergain on its own is king in my book

I know it's going to well for you but id never put in a single variety on its own .way too risky .seen a few different places that put in monoculture tetraploid grasses and not impressed ,way too open and I reckon they won't last as well as a mix if cows poach or damage it in wet weather .

td5man · 31-07-2015 10:00am

mahoney_j wrote: »

2 tonne ground lime better and cheaper in long run .6 bags seems very excessive

I have 4 acres to reseed going to use gran lime at seeding but will be spreading ground lime later on. How much gran lime should I use?

Username John · 31-07-2015 10:33am

Greengrass1 wrote: »

6 bags of gran lime :eek: 3 would be plenty.
what's the ph atm

mahoney_j wrote: »

2 tonne ground lime better and cheaper in long run .6 bags seems very excessive

There was a lot of weeds came in it, cos I was waiting so long for the contractor to come :mad: So there is a good bit of stuff to rot down.

Dont know what the pH is (I took soil samples, and have consistently forgotten to send them off for weeks)

Ground lime not an option really - I dunno would a lime spreader travel it, the granlime will be put out with a quad. Plus, I wouldn't have need for a load (20 ton) of lime... so the gran lime suits me.

Greengrass1 · 31-07-2015 10:37am

td5man wrote: »

I have 4 acres to reseed going to use gran lime at seeding but will be spreading ground lime later on. How much gran lime should I use?

What's its ph?

mahoney_j · 31-07-2015 10:52am

td5man wrote: »

I have 4 acres to reseed going to use gran lime at seeding but will be spreading ground lime later on. How much gran lime should I use?

2 bags per acre regardless of ph .2 tonne of ground lime then later

Reseeding 2015

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