Cork GAA Discussion Thread

keano25 wrote: »

What was the story with Cadogan? He did the warm up and was warming up on the sideline.

Can't help but think he would of caused something positive on the field.

Torn hamstring apparently.

Gary Neville wrote: »

Yeah - CORKDOUBLE - the difference between success and failure is very slim. Some of the whinging on this thread is pretty sicking - with all due respect to the whingers LOL.

Kealy probably won the Munster Title for Kerry with that save.

We have superb players - unfortunately we are having a serious run of injuries - Clancy, O Rourke, Crowley, Vaughan, Deane, Maguire etc - these would all probably be major players for us this year but injuries have hampered their development.

I'm delighted with the effort of the players - we can't blame them for the incompetence of Paudie Hughes. We have 2 serious defenders now in BOD and Cronin and they will really benefit from the 2 games in Killarney.

If Cork were able to pick themselves up last season, then I'm fairly sure they'll do so again. We can't talk of Dublin until we (hopefully) beat Kildare.

I don't know what to make of Cuthbert - but management has improved an awful lot this season. I believed that he should not be judged until after the Munster Final and as he was robbed of victory then I think we'll have to reserve judgement until our season ends.

There's very little to choose between Donegal, Kerry, Mayo and ourselves - Dublin look the team to beat but they can always be caught cold.

Your unreal let's be honest you have done enough that yourself so called whinging as you put it have you not regards cork managment past times
Nobody is whinging but just being realistic with games yesterday


You changed view too many times you forget which one you support be honest at this stage imo

Don't kid anyone that nonsense
Monaghan and Donegal are ahead cork
Mayo have not been tested and Cork probably beat
Dublin so far ahead cork not even funny and just cause you fail acknowledge this well two week time will show it

You don't know what make management yet you think they improved
Which is it black or white it can't be both

Galway much better coached side cork


You name Crowley clancy yet you fail realise cork only pick three half backs

O rourke was never favourite this cork team Management

Deane fully fit last year couldn't get game now he's fit again can't get game

Vaughan would not started

Your naming players for sake it without realising cork stronger players some cases

Cork had strong team for yesterday but best team wasn't picked and colm Driscoll should been sub Collins moving out

Tell me what area please management improved this team
You ignored the other questions I asked in your with respect cherry picking what you want to see with management
What players improved under cuthbhertt

Halloran finally back to form but he always was good despite you demanding yes you demanding he never play for Cork again when he kick outs were poor despite failing realise no midfield aim to
O Connor helped him this year to degree
But just a hint for you with respect when Dublin high press cork kick outs and dominate our midfield like kerry did at midfield don't go back blaming ken as you do


Shields form has never improved from this coaching he was good long before cuthbhertt
Sullivan like wise league final four years ago but took ages cuthbhertt realise full back only position
Loughrey didn't have good game in donughe time again got ball ist created scores
Loughrey is no where near player he can be under this management

Cronin as you will recollect I cried out for him get games but he brought too late but against kerry twice while good man marking wrong players
Better corner back and won't become great player under this set up
O Driscoll has always been great but is wasted defence centre back should be wing back or a ten
He was always great but you could argue held back under this management and Dublin will expose lack holding six
Barry o Driscoll one good game but poor in defence Saturday and taken off
He's not half back never was

O Connor always great warrior but like said day one should not being recalled
Honey moon over he had one great game but kerry underestimated him
He was dominated last day and Dublin will expose lack pace
He was good midfield long before cuthbhertt

Collins kelly were always good and cuthbhertt hasn't improved them in fact with kelly imo hindered him
Kevin o Driscoll be fair has improved hugely so yes I'll say job well done however Driscoll shouldn't be asked create but immense credit he's been excellent all year and showed tough streak
Deserves start next game in defence role as not creator however when you have him or tom clancy for defence role it's harsh on Driscoll but clancy seems better player in clancy under age been stand out defender
Kevin would be better defence than Barry though as Kevin can defend
Kevin isn't a scorer or creative player and management shouldn't ask him to do it
He showed great hunger battle last two games so while I pick clancy ahead him just my preference if starts on form he deserves it


Hurley and colm have gone backwards huge huge rate progression despite wonderful talent as even you surely realise great players need the ball
If kerry had same panel like tomas o se said would win the all ireland



That will never change in football
Donnacha always great but again management take him off incorrectly time and again

Upon review your assessment is imo with greatest respect flawed and totally innaccurte and Cork are not as good you make them out be and non improvement defence in attack appalling team selection and slow sub changes show management is problem and no one no one knows what there doing bar flangan and McCarthy possibly
Now I suggest next time Cork train league do challenge matches you watch them and watch them train cause it's clear as day you haven't a clue what your talking about if you think this coaching is anywhere near good Donegal monaghan or Dublin etc or mayo with donie Buckley
Again please debate any points above but you again won't as you actually have nothing to counter debate with
This is not a rant but when you say other views are sickening just cause it's dose realism well you need be told logic





Be interesting when unfortunately cork loose Dublin your views management you'll probably as you done past go against management
I no problem with fella views but with respect One minute you laud this set up praise then next day critse them and you know too well that's true just look your old posts with respect
Where do you exactly stand with management
Are you resting on moral victory against mayo and kerry
I take it you're man United fan by name
Fair play truly great club
Imo you have huge conflict interest in mentality in United are winners don't do moral victory and have minimum standard so much rightly so sacked Moyle that they want more for united
In cork football though by your posts you seem to accept the moral victory one point defeat to mayo and draw kerry as acceptable
The irony of it
Roy keane motto was prepared to fail fail prepared

Cork football team don't come close in terms preparation like kerry
You do realise kerry used gps sunday ist football team gaelic-games use it
Why do you think put warm weather camp back from April to summer
They rates Dublin and simply did not rate Cork challenge
As bad at times kerry were Saturday they will unlike cork as kerry do improve with every game
Cork at best will stay the same


In fairness your not alone
The ccb neglect cork football in don't treat it seriously at club and senior level and by look minor football appointment it shows again the neglect they have cork football with poor management again likely be in charge
As another poster wonderfully said kerry don't do anything else bar football so it's treated seriously bar rugby course producing great mick Galway mick doyle and jj hanahrahan
But still of cork treated football seriously they could compete with kerry




Again Dublin wont be caught cold like Donegal last year
Cork draw kerry is bad news for Cork as Dublin are going to be focused
How we did pick ourselves up last season
Moral victory one point defeat mayo is in your eyes good
Get real how in God's name will cork ever improve with attuide like yours we celebrate moral victory

Your the cork football view well we'd moral victory v kerry we only drew yes referee was awful but in truth cork should finished game off anyway, we beaten kerry you blame everything you can't control like weather the referee then we'll beat Kildare and hosed by Dublin and you will cod yourself again next year we have players we have this we on any given day rubbish can win when under two years manager and one selector cuthbhertt has awful record yet you don't see that but you then unfortunately like all cork fans will have suffered same pain when cork loose again next year make no progress


Eammon Sweeney was right he's exact words were they are management in sport talk bullshi#,in article I linked he said it where get old cliches and snippets and think using them there great manager
They fail under standsble basic coaching and cuthbhertt minor and senior look teams defence statics he doesn't understand defence organisation at all at all

But cuthbhert comes out nonsense arm band cork team do not surrender in Irish
It's good if it's mixed with good coaching
But it's not and imo it's cop out in its management only throw dice and imo blaming players when things go wrong in putting onus them not on managment in when cork loose imo like the circle trust broken when that's do not surrender is uselessness when you pick exact same team exactly same tactics to play kerry in replay

Management spoke after the game how cork control game and game managed weather bar the last fifteen minutes
Wrong wrong wrong wrong complete horse manure with respect in cork failed score around twenty six minutes kerry dominated midfield
It was the usual nonsense players they said stopped doing what should done
This management need new motto forget about do not surrender more tactics innovation
Do not surrender isn't worth a dime if team is systematically out witted time and time again


What's next for Cork football
Win against awful Kildare and people naive as yourself say cork improving when you fail realise Kildare are awful
Dublin will hose this team despite your pre match talk nonsense cork can beat Dublin
Just look at mark ingle and sherlock with Gavin compared cork set up
There world's apart
And don't be naive say well catch Dublin cold
Like ireland play all blacks three test games game one you surprise them games two and three you don't
Element surprise with Cork gone and Dublin Donegal lesson will have them focused


Worry cork is no changes be made as this appalling management purely terms football sense will actually think we played well v kerry and we'll improve again and same team bar cadogan with hamstring will start and Dublin half forward line will destroy cork all out attack and midfield will be cleaned out and o Connor saddens me say great player exposed lack pace croke park



Limerick loss kk I said last year worse thing happened limerick in gave Ryan new three year term
Draw in kerry is worse thing Cork football in management will get a new term
Kerry couldn't scripted it better when you look at it how it turned out, cork gave them a scare and they lucky with under strength team to survive but now have had two games Dublin haven't but also in the ist game made cork look better than what they are and given management new term and kerry don't rate this cork managment and know too well there no threat to cork football when they remain in charge



Most sickening thing of all again is when you hear the usual nonsense again by some Cork football hasn't the talent to compete with the best
It has absoultey it just needs coaching
Cork football has shown no improvement two years but gone backwards and creedon derry manager bealin even tomas flaherta all left or were sacked and John Owen huge pressure in roscommon yet our manager will get new term
If management stay cork will be like limerick hurling this year in have outgrown management and team will get worse as Galway are coming team and Cork imo now top six team if even that
Tough tough times ahead unless we change things cork football

Figsy32 wrote: »

Talk is he's 50/50 for Kildare next weekend so it must be a minor one alright.

He should not be rushed at all as he won't be needed against Kildare and sullivan well up task
But this management doesn't do logical football decisions
Kerry were laughing at cork when brought on Paul galvin and saw alan Connor going full forward with mahony sweeper
That's summed up cork in again proved we had no plan b but hail Marys in square hope for a break
You wouldn't see it in the school boy games now days
Cork wanted target man well then play natural one dan maceoin
O Connor caught ball no guarantee he's score anyway as not forward
Maceoin is but not on the panel
Last twenty minutes Kerry were toying with Cork
Like is this the best ye got

kilmac14 wrote: »

You want Dan MacEoin as a natural full forward and target man...hahaha have you ever seen him playing for his club, no workrate off the ball and waits for the ball to be played down his throat the whole time.

TTM while I admire your knowledge of Cork GAA sometimes you need to think before you type.

You constantly have a go at the management team and the lack of tactical ability amongst them (bar Pat Flanagan) but who, and Ive said this before to you, are the credible alternatives for the job; you've namedropped Gene O Driscoll and Ned English a number of times and neither have the quality to coach at the top level IMO.

Ned English's style of football is extremely negative and involves some much handpassing it would make you sick.

As for O Driscoll, did nothing with Carbery, bar a county semi final two years ago where they didnt turn up on the day. He has some very good ideas but again has the tactical ability to manage at senior IC.

You have a go at Colm O Neill in an earlier post about his movement inside. The man has had three cruciate operations and come back to play at IC level, he deserves more respect than that and is our most talented forward by a country mile at the moment.

The issues that really affects Cork football is the lack of quality kickpassers at all grades in the county. No team at any level in Cork (from what Ive seen) have the quality or ability to kick the ball accurately or into the correct areas to give or forwards the best chance of scores. Its a problem from Junior B level up to Senior and needs to be addressed urgently along with other defiences like High fielding and tackling

Wrong wrong wrong WRONG POSTER KIDDO
Never once had go o Neill movement

Recheck with common courtesy lad


In huge fan o Neill only one didn't critse him after drawn game
I said him hurley going backwards under management as there getting no ball



You just gave a master class in irony saying I need to think before I speak
I never questioned o Neill movement
He's awful gets no ball and I don't blame o Neill

When we compare management options I have given simply point is while yes no one can say win all ireland with certainty but what is certain is cuthbhertt and management worse those option


I'll simply explain this is not rocket science


Cuthbhertt doing nothing at club football absoultey nothing
Cork minors all ireland final Yes but haunted in conceding huge scores five goals Galway nineteenth point armagh
You get away it in minor not senior



Selector under couninhan and two years manager record appalling in football sense as blankets defence not blankly defence or close to it
Attack is ponderous methodical and laboured rugby league style


English much better cuthbhertt in for one clyda or duhallow always do better what should rarely hammered and clyds perfect blanket defence to tee
English cork would have effective blanket and wouldn't be more awful watching teams tesd though out defence and have no clue how to defend
Cleary English were going in if got it and you had blend attack and defence
English got waterford ist win championship twenty years my going in coach six week before championship years ago v clare with no one giving them a chance
Coached drom munster football club title a limited team he got everything out of them

English got clyds win intermediate county and also duhallow county final and all teams die boots on
He training better than cuthbhertt and cuthbhertt wouldn't tie he's shoe laces


Gene Driscoll yes Carbery not always good but won all ireland coach o Donovan rosss huge success under twenty one team over kerry and ran tippeary close with huge injuries

And referee robbed cork v roscommon

He's coaching for any doubt you have is still ten times better cuthbhertt



Sexton and sullivan and Davis have done Nothing absoultey NOTHING IN CLUB MANAGEMENT and no expirence so options I gave simply can't be any worse what I mentioned



Ephie Fitzgerald has doubters but still won nemo dromcollogjrr limerick selector limerick senior football run all ireland quarter final done more cuthbhertt ever done
It's actually the point this management so bad there's much better
Flangan fitness brilliant but as Kieran shannon said o Neill kerry is equal and same mark ingle Dublin is same so Cork advantage flangan good v Kildare not enough beat top four teams


Flangan is proven at all levels coaching and none other cork selection team is a point that cork media and pundits some conviently never mentioned again


Sweeney article in the indo correctly said cuthbhertt management record was poor
This isn't opinion but a fact
Just look at the teams and results with teams he managed in fairness

Huge game in the hurling sunday

All eyes on that game now from hurling sense
Football on sky

DDC1990 wrote: »

Lads ye are far too negative.

Ye have a serious defensive system in place, which Kerry who have a great forward line struggled to break down.

Ye were undone by a bit of magic from Cooper, and Cork were inches away from 2 more goals, Cronin's miss and the quick free kick, which Jonathan Lyne got a hand to to prevent a 1 on 1 shot.

Ye were beaten around the middle of the field by Moran and Maher, in my opinion the best midfield in the game.

A few individual errors coming out if defence cost ye 2 points.

There is plenty to work on, but he have the foundation of a seriously competitive team.

I think that Cuthbert needs to be more reactive on the line. I'd have had Hurley off after 20 minutes. Enright clearly had his number inside. Kerrigan is good for 35 minutes and disappears.

Gould is not the player Cuthbert thinks he is. Minimal impact off the bench. Is Ruaraí Deane a better option?

Finally the patience Cork had in the first game deserted he in the replay. Focus on the mental side and not only will ye beat Kildare, but ye'll give the Dubs a good scare.

That's a good sensible post.

The negativity is unreal.

TTM - let's get one thing staight - I thought our management was brutal last year. I thought that Cuthbert should not have got the job as he had no CV and John Cleary was the obvious choice.

Players had huge reservations after first season but decided to air their complaints and hope for the best.

I don't have direct contact with any squad member but my infomration suggests that morale is much better this season. Management have made mistakes this season but it's a huge improvement from last season. It's silly saying someone else could do better just like O Se's inane suggestion that FitzM would do a better job with the Cork Players.

Management put out a side 2 weeks ago that was superbly prepared and motivated and came back after a few body blows and were desperately unlucky to be pegged back by a mis-hit lob.
You have an obvious agenda wrt Cuthbert even being as childish as ridiculing the wrist bands used the first day.
You have a good knowledge of Cork GAA but you've lost the plot here. You are even preparing to criticise if we beat Kildare. Just give it a rest and wait to see how the season pans out.

As for KOH - I thought he could never improve his re-starts. He's no Cluxton but has improved a lot and I'm happy to say I was wrong - try it, its a good liberating feeling.

Figsy32 wrote: »

+1 on KO'H. Happy to say I was wrong about his kickouts. He's been excellent in the two games.

I mentioned about Hurley and O'Neill's movement. Obviously I've massive massive respect for O'Neill and all he's been through, he's a warrior for coming back time and time again.

The point I was trying to make is that often when the ball was being carried into Kerry's half and players were looking for options, him and Hurley were motionless inside and not making any runs to become available. We do have good passers out the pitch but even if we had the best kick passers in the game they wouldn't have been able to find them.

One of the few times a run was mad it led to our goal.

It's almost as if they're told not to make runs until Donnacha or Paddy Kelly get the ball. As I said earlier, the difference between our inside line looking for ball compared to the Kerry inside forwards was incredible. Maybe they're told to hang inside to help a running game, I dont know, but it definitely hurt us especially in the second half where we had a bit of a breeze.

I'm in the same boat - I wouldn't criticise Hurley or CON but the movement from JOD and Geaney was unreal.

Hurley needs a few scores - it was a shame for him and Cork that his narrow wide didn't go over. However, I've seen enough of him at club and IC to know that he's a quality forward and he'll be fine once he raises a few white flags.

We are only developing a system - we had no time last year to do meaningful work and the league isn't much good as it lacks intensity - the Clare game - we didn't want to show our hand and set up in a traditional way. So the drawn game was the first real test of our new system and there was a few blips. The same on Saturday.

We face a massive test to get our spirits lifted again for Kildare - very few beaten provincial finalists can deal with a week turnaround.

Our players and management need support and not criticism now - let's hope that people will travel to Thurles.

keep going wrote: »

Just out of curiosity how many here have managed or coached teams or have had any role in the structure of thegaa

Everyone, surely.

Gary Neville wrote: »

That's a good sensible post.

The negativity is unreal.

TTM - let's get one thing staight - I thought our management was brutal last year. I thought that Cuthbert should not have got the job as he had no CV and John Cleary was the obvious choice.

Players had huge reservations after first season but decided to air their complaints and hope for the best.

I don't have direct contact with any squad member but my infomration suggests that morale is much better this season. Management have made mistakes this season but it's a huge improvement from last season. It's silly saying someone else could do better just like O Se's inane suggestion that FitzM would do a better job with the Cork Players.

Management put out a side 2 weeks ago that was superbly prepared and motivated and came back after a few body blows and were desperately unlucky to be pegged back by a mis-hit lob.
You have an obvious agenda wrt Cuthbert even being as childish as ridiculing the wrist bands used the first day.
You have a good knowledge of Cork GAA but you've lost the plot here. You are even preparing to criticise if we beat Kildare. Just give it a rest and wait to see how the season pans out.

As for KOH - I thought he could never improve his re-starts. He's no Cluxton but has improved a lot and I'm happy to say I was wrong - try it, its a good liberating feeling.

Get real now in fairness does cork football actually mean that much to you that you won't be realistic and set expectations high
We should beat Kildare to be fair

What do you want cork beat Kildare and have open top buss down south mall and media say we're all ireland contenders
Kildare are absolutley awful in Ryan is good coach to point but Kildare lost host big players



Cork will get zero credit if midfield isn't fixed year in two years still the same zero credit unless full forward line get ball and zero credit if half forward line don't create and defence conceded huge score despite possible Kildare so poor cork can win just like clare game but fact is performance shows problem


I let's be clear now crystal clear never once unlike your good self made critsim personal regards cuthbhertt
Never once
I yes severely critsed on managment only managment just like Spillane with mcgenney and sweeny with cuthbhertt and o se and masters purely only field play


Are you that hard up that again you fail counter debate questions I asked you regards team only come back is usual lazy excuse is anyone critsed set up player has agenda
No no no no no no agenda but yes my agenda is want cork football be best that can be
Simple really

For what it worth cuthbhertt should be administration as good at that stuff in development plans under age etc and huge part development quads


Just like humphrey Kellher fantastic blue print for Dublin hurling
However they are great those skills but as both proved not management skills
That's not slight them person all it is saying poor management on field play



You say you have no information close players but you have information moral is good
Donnacha didn't look too happy coming off did he now
With respect I don't care either way whether you think I'm negative
I'm not I'm just being realistic
Cork had one way game v kerry that your blowing out of proportion
Look Denis Walsh beat tipperary's munster and was poor
Limerick one game v kk last year that was it
Matt o Connor came within close extra time beat championship toulon but leinster weren't fooled in one game never made it in so poor v bath and all year that all season not one off back wall scenario saved him they realised he coaching good other teams not for leinster



Cuthbhertt like Connor isn't best coaching fit cork
No agenda just on managment alone
I'm cork like you I want cork win all Ireland not celebrate draw against complacent weaker kerry the ist day
Wrist band reference is imo total again focus on players mentality by management in if cork failed it like players total reason
There at fault
Cuthbhertt unlike jbm and Gavin never once never once admitted he's management were completely wrong after defeat and unlike jbm and Gavin by not doing do put huge onus players and imo players will self doubt there confidence and Cork didn't look confidence team

Gary Neville wrote: »

I'm in the same boat - I wouldn't criticise Hurley or CON but the movement from JOD and Geaney was unreal.

Hurley needs a few scores - it was a shame for him and Cork that his narrow wide didn't go over. However, I've seen enough of him at club and IC to know that he's a quality forward and he'll be fine once he raises a few white flags.

We are only developing a system - we had no time last year to do meaningful work and the league isn't much good as it lacks intensity - the Clare game - we didn't want to show our hand and set up in a traditional way. So the drawn game was the first real test of our new system and there was a few blips. The same on Saturday.

We face a massive test to get our spirits lifted again for Kildare - very few beaten provincial finalists can deal with a week turnaround.

Our players and management need support and not criticism now - let's hope that people will travel to Thurles.

We have been building since sligo this system last year
Dublin completely change their system in one year and only started in November
Nobody saying don't support cork football



But what is true support, say nothing when real problem in team and nothing changes were same position next year
Man United improved as honesty this year know change needed
That's all fans want is honesty in cork football
No excuse for time and league when most teams defy your logic
Cork had plenty time to prepare
Look at cork hurling change system in two games huge improvement
Five championship games since last year and lot old problem remain

sean mac wrote: »

**** building for the future, blooding players etc the future is now. Cokr football is always talking about the future..........imo we did ok with kerrry up to a point on Saturday, a moments lapse in the defence and kery got a goal - after that cork fell apart and here is where things get very bleak.
The good teams are able to change things on the pitch with direction from the line, going long to a target man is a perfectly acceptable plan b, but it must be rehearsed and must involve a man playing on the square who is comfortable there, NOT a hard working midfielder who has never played there ffs.......Kerry couldn't believe their luck. If cork want that as plan b then they should have persevered with young peter Kelleher instead of having 3 exact same type of forwards on the bench like hodnett, hayes and goulding........would that have worked, probably not but at least it would have shown a plan b instead of the full on panic that emenated from the line and translated onto the pitch with players taking crazy pot shots. That could easily have been built into the team since the forst game, but what do cork do......nothing exact same system again vs Kerry ffs you wouldn't do it at junior b level as teams would find you out.
Brian hurley is playing poorly but he is also playing too far from goal and is the right man to have next to a ball winning full forward as is daniael goulding the forgotten man of this set up.
For the next day start goulding, give the man 50 minutes, give hurley a rest and bring him on, bring the likes of Kelleher into the squad instead of the ineffective hayes or hodnett, they need to think again about barry o driscoll if they are serious, a decent player going forward Dublin definitely but Kildare also will follow the Kerry blueprint and push him towards his own goal. Midfield with oconnor and deane to start with an odrsicoll to come in because at this stage fintan has ran his race imo.
Cork must shake it up, actually work on a plan b instead of just talk about it (one of this managements great strengths is talking - they talk a great game) or else possibly Kildare but certainly Dublin will absolutely destroy cork

Blunt harsh not an easy read but totally totally one hundred percent correct


Christ above Dublin will absoultey destroy cork if changes aren't made


Sean would you agree with the view i have kerry were complacent and off the boil ist game and Cork one off game

Would you think management improved at all this year and where
Do you belive in weather lady luck against cork and if so is it time for hundred hail Marys and we should ask future games be played under a roof

How would you rate Cork defensive wise
Regarding management do they deserve a second term and if not who would you put in
Your an absolute astute poster judge player how would you rate maceoin
What would be your team v Kildare with Dublin in mind


Do you think some here being harsh regards sunday or just realistic

just my thoughts on things

I actually reckon things arent that bad for Cork footballers. Losing a replay to Kerry in Killarney isnt a shock nor is it something to be ashamed of. I think Cork played as well as they can expect really. In terms of ranking Kerry and Dublin have better players/athletes than Cork, Donegal are possibly further along in their development as a team as are Mayo with Cork coming behind them along with Monaghan & Tyrone.

Cork struggled in the transition from defence to attack, Kerry have better footballers to distribute the ball into their forwards than Cork do using kick passes and also possess a target man and an inside forward with movement that Cork dont possess. The use of the sweeper by Cork was the correct tactical decision however the insistance on running the ball into the forward line given the weather conditions was unwise and a targetman would have been more ideal really.

I think Cuthbert is an ok manager, nothing great but not as bad as he is often made out to be. He's not good enough to win something especially with a group that would not be the strongest group in the competition which is something really good managers can do.

I think in moving on Pierce O'Neill, Kissane, Canty, Noel O'Leary, Alan O'Connor last season was unwise. Certainly Noel O'Leary's performances in the club championship indicate that he cant cut it anymore as injuries have caught up with him but i think the others would be certainly good influences on the side, if not to start then definitely from the bench.

I think Cork are in a state of transition at present and the coach that comes in needs to build a squad and panel and be given time and the resources to do so. I dont think Cuthbert had that sort of development in mind and has fallen between 2 stools in a way. The defections of Walsh and Cahalane to the hurlers have hurt the football chances and it is a pity that those 2 are not available not to mention Ciaran Sheehan as things would be in a different state entirely if they were around with a good coaching setup.

I think Cork may beat Kildare next week but the end of the line is coming on the August Bank holiday

slingerz wrote: »

just my thoughts on things

I actually reckon things arent that bad for Cork footballers. Losing a replay to Kerry in Killarney isnt a shock nor is it something to be ashamed of. I think Cork played as well as they can expect really. In terms of ranking Kerry and Dublin have better players/athletes than Cork, Donegal are possibly further along in their development as a team as are Mayo with Cork coming behind them along with Monaghan & Tyrone.

Cork struggled in the transition from defence to attack, Kerry have better footballers to distribute the ball into their forwards than Cork do using kick passes and also possess a target man and an inside forward with movement that Cork dont possess. The use of the sweeper by Cork was the correct tactical decision however the insistance on running the ball into the forward line given the weather conditions was unwise and a targetman would have been more ideal really.

I think Cuthbert is an ok manager, nothing great but not as bad as he is often made out to be. He's not good enough to win something especially with a group that would not be the strongest group in the competition which is something really good managers can do.

I think in moving on Pierce O'Neill, Kissane, Canty, Noel O'Leary, Alan O'Connor last season was unwise. Certainly Noel O'Leary's performances in the club championship indicate that he cant cut it anymore as injuries have caught up with him but i think the others would be certainly good influences on the side, if not to start then definitely from the bench.

I think Cork are in a state of transition at present and the coach that comes in needs to build a squad and panel and be given time and the resources to do so. I dont think Cuthbert had that sort of development in mind and has fallen between 2 stools in a way. The defections of Walsh and Cahalane to the hurlers have hurt the football chances and it is a pity that those 2 are not available not to mention Ciaran Sheehan as things would be in a different state entirely if they were around with a good coaching setup.

I think Cork may beat Kildare next week but the end of the line is coming on the August Bank holiday

Some valid point
But Cork football should just give up with respect if we entertainment loosing kerry no big deal


How gods name can cork football change legacy if accept loosing kerry okay


When mcguimness came Donegal he sick being always humiliation Tyrone
He told players no more
They expected beat Tyrone and now dominate them


Cork ladies football had culture failures
New management Ryan changes that mental attributes as expected wanted beat kerry and demanded it
If we don't see loosing kerry is failure let's be honest were just aiming second best and in truth will never change attuide one all ireland twenty years fine


Cork three years ago should been ahead kerry in transition
Kerry now beaten cork three years row
Your view is roll over accept it
With respect cork football deserves more and proper coaching could complete with kerry
I agree other points though