Milk Price- Please read Mod note in post #1

Timmaay · 18-07-2015 10:57AM

Definitely breeding for both here, fat might be lower paid but it's easy to make big gains in. I suppose like je being a quick fix for fertility it will also be a quick fix for bf. I'm looking at nz xbreds more closely though, you get the boost in fat and protein alongside the boost in fertility and lower maintaince, the last two traits I will most certainly need as the herd here grows to 120+.

mahoney_j · 18-07-2015 11:01AM

stanflt wrote: »

The only answer to that question lie I. The results from the profit monitor

Profit per cow
Profit per ha
Which is better 20cpl profit from 4500 litre
Or 18cpl from 7500????

Gg answer is in there,your version of higher yield is a bit different than mine or stans.your solids % are excellent no doubt but what your cows are averaging now is what mine will still be doing in early November .and I'll probably sell 100kg plus solids per cow more and have 6 weeks out of parlour during winter

Greengrass1 · 18-07-2015 11:02AM

stanflt wrote: »

The only answer to that question lie I. The results from the profit monitor

Profit per cow
Profit per ha
Which is better 20cpl profit from 4500 litre
Or 18cpl from 7500????

5241 sold last yr at av 42.92c
costs in region of 25-27c
be closer to 6k sold this yr I reckon.

Don't want this to turn into an argument lads just interested in who's better off

stanflt · 18-07-2015 11:04AM

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Okay so how do we compare
me with 21.6 l @4.37 bf and 3.78 P

How do you work it out.
be a great one fir dg meeting here next month

Work out your kg ms price

Gg I don't think your getting my point

The higher the f and p % the better in any system

The more litres sold in any system the better- but these litres must be profitable

What I'm pointing out Is that the closer the ratio of kilos of p to kilo of f the more money the kilo of Ms is worth

On another note any joy with the farmer who delivered 415kg Ms with zero meal

I really need to visit him so does all the milk industry

mahoney_j · 18-07-2015 11:05AM

stanflt wrote: »

I wouldn't go breeding for it at the expense of protein gg

Take price per kg Ms into account- my kilo Ms is worth way more than yours plus with volume I have a hell of a lot more

No point having 450 kg Ms made up of fat

I hope you can understand what I mean

A lad made a good statement to me at walk one day,solids determine how big your net milk price per litre is but amount of litres determines how big the eft to bank account is!!

Timmaay · 18-07-2015 11:20AM

On another note any joy with the farmer who delivered 415kg Ms with zero meal

I really need to visit him so does all the milk industry[/quote]

Sounds like a nz setup, he is in Ireland? Does he manage this year in year out? What's his grazing block SR? Are high dmd wraps a suitable enough substitute for meal in his case? And I guess the final question ha, if milk prices were to remain extremely average for like 2/3years (say sub30), would his low cost system still make a profit ha?

Timmaay · 18-07-2015 11:50AM

Greengrass1 wrote: »

5241 sold last yr at av 42.92c
costs in region of 25-27c
be closer to 6k sold this yr I reckon.

Don't want this to turn into an argument lads just interested in who's better off

5800 here at 39cent. Same income per cow. My feed costs 6c/l tho, I'd hazard a guess your closer to 3?

yosemitesam1 · 18-07-2015 12:20PM

Greengrass1 wrote: »

So lads buying these acid buffs etc are wasting there money really?

They all have their place, sticking in a buffer if your feeding a small amount of meal might be unnecessary from a Sara viewpoint, but it is still possible it could give a worthwhile response depending on milk price/grass quality etc, there is no one size fits all, different herds could respond differently to the same thing.

trixi2011 · 18-07-2015 12:30PM

Timmaay wrote: »

On another note any joy with the farmer who delivered 415kg Ms with zero meal

I really need to visit him so does all the milk industry

Sounds like a nz setup, he is in Ireland? Does he manage this year in year out? What's his grazing block SR? Are high dmd wraps a suitable enough substitute for meal in his case? And I guess the final question ha, if milk prices were to remain extremely average for like 2/3years (say sub30), would his low cost system still make a profit ha?[/quote]
He has to be in ireland plenty of lads in nz doing 450+ ms on grass only

jaymla627 · 18-07-2015 12:44PM

Greengrass1 wrote: »

5241 sold last yr at av 42.92c
costs in region of 25-27c
be closer to 6k sold this yr I reckon.

Don't want this to turn into an argument lads just interested in who's better off

Have you got winter milk bonuses included in this, it skews the figures a fair bit if they are compared to a normal lad just working of normal base price

Greengrass1 · 18-07-2015 12:51PM

jaymla627 wrote: »

Have you got winter milk bonuses included in this, it skews the figures a fair bit if they are compared to a normal lad just working of normal base price

How? My costs are over the yr same as MP and so are there's
Be pointless taking out bonus because I'd surely be worse off in comparison then

jaymla627 · 18-07-2015 01:19PM

Greengrass1 wrote: »

How? My costs are over the yr same as MP and so are there's
Be pointless taking out bonus because I'd surely be worse off in comparison then

But your getting a premium for your milk of 3-4 cent give our take, for a side by side comparison you have to be working of same base price for a proper result

mf240 · 18-07-2015 07:34PM

Cows here munching on a bale of hay at milking time. They have lots of lovely lush grass (if i do say so myself) but still pick away at it. Keeps the dung solid. I hate to see cows scuttering. I know if i was scuttered for most of the summer id be making an appointment to see someone.

freedominacup · 18-07-2015 07:37PM

mf240 wrote: »

Cows here munching on a bale of hay at milking time. They have lots of lovely lush grass (if i do say so myself) but still pick away at it. Keeps the dung solid. I hate to see cows scuttering. I know if i was scuttered for most of the summer id be making an appointment to see someone.

A vet would probably be the only one worth seeing in a case like that.

blackdog1 · 18-07-2015 08:54PM

Last year 7250 per cow delivered @39.91

That's not taking into account milk fed to calves.

Winter bonus included.

stanflt · 18-07-2015 09:05PM

blackdog1 wrote: »

Last year 7250 per cow delivered @39.91

That's not taking into account milk fed to calves.

Winter bonus included.

Very similar litres here but 41.13 avg price up 1 cpl on 2013

Protein was 3.48 for year

Protein up 0.09 avg per month so far this year

blackdog1 · 18-07-2015 09:13PM

stanflt wrote: »

Very similar litres here but 41.13 avg price up 1 cpl on 2013

Protein was 3.48 for year

Protein up 0.09 avg per month so far this year

Yea my protein was 3.43. I don't have feed to yield and I'm all year round milking. It definitely effects the cows condition and probably knocks a bit off my protein. So far this year I'm .03 up month on month from last year and yield is up. I'd put it down to more work on dry cow diet last year and cows calved in alot better condition. Dry period for cows is so crucial.

stanflt · 18-07-2015 09:29PM

blackdog1 wrote: »

Yea my protein was 3.43. I don't have feed to yield and I'm all year round milking. It definitely effects the cows condition and probably knocks a bit off my protein. So far this year I'm .03 up month on month from last year and yield is up. I'd put it down to more work on dry cow diet last year and cows calved in alot better condition. Dry period for cows is so crucial.

How long do you leave them dry? My first is calving early sept and she is still milking

blackdog1 · 18-07-2015 09:32PM

stanflt wrote: »

How long do you leave them dry? My first is calving early sept and she is still milking

60 days depending on condition. Mineral bolus and wormer straight after. Just grass for cows dry this month but in winter I feed 2kg of barley oats and soya hulls for a month will be pushing it to 2 months on less well conditioned cows this year.

18-07-2015 09:33PM

stanflt wrote: »

How long do you leave them dry? My first is calving early sept and she is still milking

Drying off cows here at the min that are calving first week of September and still milking well .putting them in and on hay for a few days

Greengrass1 · 19-07-2015 10:09AM

http://www.farmersjournal.ie/cutting-costs-as-global-dairy-markets-show-no-signs-of-recovery-185553

frazzledhome · 19-07-2015 10:09AM

http://i.stuff.co.nz/waikato-times/70287015/The-Waikato-way-keep-calving-and-carry-on?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

stanflt · 19-07-2015 10:29AM

If there is one thing that the last few years has thought me it's the negative additude of some many Irish farmers- talking down milk prices before they went down

I personally am going to look after the young stock better and cut no corners as these are the future profiteers of my business
I will continue to expand as I'm in it for the long haul
Next year prices will be better

Stop moping about and be as efficient as you can

mahoney_j · 19-07-2015 10:36AM

stanflt wrote: »

If there is one thing that the last few years has thought me it's the negative additude of some many Irish farmers- talking down milk prices before they went down

I personally am going to look after the young stock better and cut no corners as these are the future profiteers of my business
I will continue to expand as I'm in it for the long haul
Next year prices will be better

Stop moping about and be as efficient as you can

Gwannnn Stan!!!.agree with that

Blackgrass · 19-07-2015 10:37AM

stanflt wrote: »

I will continue to expand as I'm in it for the long haul
Next year prices will be better

Stop moping about and be as efficient as you can

Ie. when you mentioned putting in new cubicles and folk think your loopy?.
Surely if was built last year on higher price it would still need to be paid for until price strengthens anyway

. Added bonus is shed builders will be less busy so your their sole focus and shed is built in a timely fashion vs between 3 others in the que.

stanflt · 19-07-2015 10:39AM

Blackgrass wrote: »

Ie. when you mentioned putting in new cubicles and folk think your loopy?.
Surely if was built last year on higher price it would still need to be paid for until price strengthens anyway . Added bonus is shed builders will be less busy so your their sole focus and shed is built in a timely fashion vs between 3 others in the que.

If you can't afford to expand when prices are low you definitely can't afford to expand when prices are high

frazzledhome · 19-07-2015 10:41AM

stanflt wrote: »

If you can't afford to expand when prices are low you definitely can't afford to expand when prices are high

Post of the week

frazzledhome · 19-07-2015 11:11AM

Our June milk cheque was 6% back on last years with 5% more cows.

I'm feeling like a daft prick here now considering the money I left behind last year with the record high price.

We split the cows this year putting all 1st lac and any with history of foot problems as well as any cow with lower BCS in one group.

When things got tight and we needed to push cows we pushed fit group not the young ones

One thing this exercise has done is shown me that small changes can make a big difference. The real test will be to see have we and more in calf than other years. Looking at the cows I'm feeling that may be the case. Won't be scanning cows for a while yet so will wait and see.

mahoney_j · 19-07-2015 11:19AM

frazzledhome wrote: »

Our June milk cheque was 6% back on last years with 5% more cows.

I'm feeling like a daft prick here now considering the money I left behind last year with the record high price.

We split the cows this year putting all 1st lac and any with history of foot problems as well as any cow with lower BCS in one group.

When things got tight and we needed to push cows we pushed fit group not the young ones

One thing this exercise has done is shown me that small changes can make a big difference. The real test will be to see have we and more in calf than other years. Looking at the cows I'm feeling that may be the case. Won't be scanning cows for a while yet so will wait and see.

When u say left behind do u mean u should of feed a bit more meal to increase production ?bull on his last day with cows today .will be in paddock around yard if needed but activity very quite for last week .just under 5% of herd served since april 1 .all heifers in calf which really pleased me .will scan late August and access things then as I'm sure there will be one or two surprises .

frazzledhome · 19-07-2015 12:32PM

mahoney_j wrote: »

When u say left behind do u mean u should of feed a bit more meal to increase production ?bull on his last day with cows today .will be in paddock around yard if needed but activity very quite for last week .just under 5% of herd served since april 1 .all heifers in calf which really pleased me .will scan late August and access things then as I'm sure there will be one or two surprises .

Funny thing MJ is that we've fed slightly less meal this year. A few things happened as a consequence of splitting. We grew more grass and cows spending less time walking and standing in collecting yard.

Growing more grass but more importantly all cows are getting a fairer chance to gobble it. For young herd longest walk is 400m to parlour. Some of the further paddocks were cut for first cut so not visited as often be main herd. These are 1hr from parlour.

With such a small increase in numbers the herd has also matured with the knock on production increase. My big bear was that had we done this last year we would've reaped a lot more of the higher price with no increase in costs. Lesson learned.

It's an on going education and I think herd size will be an important consideration in the future.

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