ISIS sympathizer arrested in dublin but then released

MadHarlequin · 17-07-2015 06:38AM

Boring username wrote: »

At least 40 Irish have joined ISIS, which is 40 too many in my opinion. And at least 3 have been killed in fighting.

thejournal.ie/irish-people-islamic-state-2192482-Jul2015

Did you even read that article at all? It doesn't seem like it because it says up to 40 people have gone to Islamic State "areas", so basically anywhere in North Africa or the Middle East, since 2010. That would include people who went over to participate in the Arab Spring movement and I think its seriously misleading to try and portray them all as Islamic militants.

That number would also include, amongst others, people like Steddyeddys Kurdish friend who went to fight and protect his family AGAINST IS.

steddyeddy wrote: »

A guy I know from college is Kurdish and left college to fight ISIS and protect his family. I hope he decimates them.

RDM_83 again · 17-07-2015 07:35AM

MadsL wrote: »

Basically people are arguing for internment; that didn't work out so well last time now did it?

No they are arguing that they should apply anti-terror laws.
We can argue about their place in a democratic society but the thing is they are already on the books and are still occasional active use on dissident Republicans, AFAIK the opinion of a senior Garda counts as evidence on these charges.
I am not sure why these laws havent been applied as he meets the low burden of proof (perhaps Daesh/IS aren't a proscribed organisation yet).

suicide_circus · 17-07-2015 08:16AM

I object to these titles like IS/Daesh etc...using these descriptions adds an air of legitimacy to these people. Let's call them what they are, bandits. Murdering, raping, thieving, vandalising bandits.

stunmer · 17-07-2015 08:20AM

Boring username wrote: »

At least 40 Irish have joined ISIS, which is 40 too many in my opinion. And at least 3 have been killed in fighting which is too few in my opinion.

FYP to how I would have written it

cowboyBuilder · 17-07-2015 08:56AM

It's a beautiful religion of peace tho ..

Egginacup · 17-07-2015 09:52AM

Ranchu wrote: »

He probably got some mad notions in Zaytoons after a few too many pints in the Turks Head. There's something sinister about those two establishments being beside each other.

And right beside the Chechen Inn as well

strelok · 17-07-2015 09:56AM

MadsL wrote: »

Basically people are arguing for internment; that didn't work out so well last time now did it?

i think there's a guantanamo off the coast of clare. we could have the busses stop off in shannon for refuelling.

Egginacup · 17-07-2015 10:06AM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Well if it is deport him.

On what grounds? You come up with these idiotic legal interpretations and anyone who questions your foolish (and unlawful) recommendations is a "terrorist sympathiser" or something like that.

Anyway I thought people like you were IS supporters. After all they are being armed by your beloved Pentagon and are waging a war against the Assad government in Syria who is the sworn enemy of your darlings in Congress so what's the problem?

Egginacup · 17-07-2015 10:19AM

end of the road wrote: »

nothing is going to deter loonies from joining isis.

Course there is EOTR. Find out the reasons why this group exists (if indeed it does exist) and why it fights and address those reasons. It's very simple.

But that kind of logic is a bit too advanced for some of the simpletons who just vomit out the "they hate freedom" nonsense.

Egginacup · 17-07-2015 10:28AM

Boring username wrote: »

And don't forget the Turks have been opening the border for ISIS to conduct attacks against the Kurds in Kobane. Allowing Turkey into the EU will be the greatest geo-political disaster of the last 100 years.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/11697764/Isil-reenters-key-Syria-border-town-of-Kobane-live.html

Yet they're in NATO and presumably do what they're told by Washington. There is no way that Washington has any interest in combatting ISIS. If anything they are loving the chaos being created by them. It keeps the Middle East in flames, it's a great propaganda tool to ramp up fear and surveillance at home, it can be used to make up any old crappy lie they want ("Iran are arming ISIS, Putin is arming ISIS, China are arming ISIS") and people will believe the bullshit, plus at the end of the day there's a lot of money to be made by the existence and actions of ISIS.

steddyeddy · 17-07-2015 10:46AM

MadHarlequin wrote: »

Did you even read that article at all? It doesn't seem like it because it says up to 40 people have gone to Islamic State "areas", so basically anywhere in North Africa or the Middle East, since 2010. That would include people who went over to participate in the Arab Spring movement and I think its seriously misleading to try and portray them all as Islamic militants.

That number would also include, amongst others, people like Steddyeddys Kurdish friend who went to fight and protect his family AGAINST IS.

Very good point. My Kurdish friend is from Iraq. He's a Muslim as far as I know so some people who didn't know him would assume he's joining IS.

Egginacup · 17-07-2015 10:57AM

DeadHand wrote: »

The majority of these illegals are economic migrants from areas with no ISIS presence.

ISIS has already openly admitted it would use the chaos in the Med to plant it's agents and sympathisers directly into Europe. Apart from that, the bulk of these illegals fit the ideal demographic for ISIS recruitment: young, male, Sunni Muslim, uneducated, already indoctrinated from youth into firmly intolerant beliefs.

Far from allowing people to escape ISIS, the suicidal ferry service in the Med will only serve to strengthen it's presence in Europe.

How do you know where they are coming from and what their circumstances are? What are your sources to state that the majority of them are opportunists seeking free money and a house in Tyrrelstown?
And how do they know what life is like in Europe? Let me guess..they all have broadband or satellite internet in their mud huts but instead of selling the flat screen TV and simply buying an airline ticket they trek across Libya clinging to the axle of truck and then climb aboard a fcuking raft made out of oil drums and baling twine and set sail across the open sea just so they can live in a squalid detention camp in Malta for years....if they survive.

Libya was the richest and most stable country in Africa before NATO went and destroyed the place. It's now a nightmare of anarchy and bloodshed that just gets worse and worse by the day. And you are now complaining about refugees. That's as pathetic as the politicians who shut down old folks homes and psychiatric hospitals to "save" cash and then bitch about homelessness as all these mentally ill and decrepit people are turfed onto the streets.

Gatling · 17-07-2015 11:00AM

Egginacup wrote: »

How do you know where they are coming from and what their circumstances are? What are your sources to state that the majority of them are opportunists seeking free money and a house in Tyrrelstown?
And how do they know what life is like in Europe? Let me guess..they all have broadband or satellite internet in their mud huts but instead of selling the flat screen TV and simply buying an airline ticket they trek across Libya clinging to the axle of truck and then climb aboard a fcuking raft made out of oil drums and baling twine and set sail across the open sea just so they can live in a squalid detention camp in Malta for years....if they survive.

Libya was the richest and most stable country in Africa before NATO went and destroyed the place. It's now a nightmare of anarchy and bloodshed that just gets worse and worse by the day. And you are now complaining about refugees. That's as pathetic as the politicians who shut down old folks homes and psychiatric hospitals to "save" cash and then bitch about homelessness as all these mentally ill and decrepit people are turfed onto the streets.

Utter nonsense

fedor.2. · 17-07-2015 11:02AM

Egginacup wrote: »

Course there is EOTR. Find out the reasons why this group exists (if indeed it does exist) and why it fights and address those reasons. It's very simple.

But that kind of logic is a bit too advanced for some of the simpletons who just vomit out the "they hate freedom" nonsense.

Would ya not head over and try to reason with these poor souls so. We need your help sorting this once and for all. Let us know how you get on.

smurfjed · 17-07-2015 11:28AM

Find out the reasons why this group exists (if indeed it does exist) and why it fights and address those reasons

Are you saying that ISIS doesn't exist?

17-07-2015 12:03PM

DarkyHughes wrote: »

Probably CNBC, Fox or Sky News.

This.

The Western media and news outlets have done more for ISIS' cause than anyone else. You watch the news and it's almost a daily occurrence that someone is showing snippets from the propaganda videos they produce.

And then they wonder how it spreads.

Then an attack happens, they have wall-to-wall 24 hour news coverage, either showing the person's history or if they had recorded a video telling of their intended actions and why. And this gets repeated and repeated and repeated. Across the Western world.

And then they wonder how it spreads.

conorhal · 17-07-2015 01:26PM

Deleted User wrote: »

This.

The Western media and news outlets have done more for ISIS' cause than anyone else. You watch the news and it's almost a daily occurrence that someone is showing snippets from the propaganda videos they produce.

And then they wonder how it spreads.

Then an attack happens, they have wall-to-wall 24 hour news coverage, either showing the person's history or if they had recorded a video telling of their intended actions and why. And this gets repeated and repeated and repeated. Across the Western world.

And then they wonder how it spreads.

Ah that's nonsense. These creeps watch none of this, there have been more than a few documentaries about radicalization lately and the path is well and truly explored.
Mosques and the 'study groups' that operate out of them are largely responsible for targeting young and impressionable people. A quarter of mosques in the UK have been shown to have material in their bookshops and libraries that are extremist in nature.
Once hooked in by extremist societies the adherents of political Islam are fed a daily diet of propaganda via the internet where they are groomed, manipulated and encouraged to avoid the contamination of western culture. They get their news from Islamism regions, watch TV via the internet or satellite from the same and lurk only in forums or websites embedded in Islamism ideology. They sit in a silo of hatered that I assure you doesn’t include FOX news.

Egginacup · 17-07-2015 02:58PM

fedor.2. wrote: »

Would ya not head over and try to reason with these poor souls so. We need your help sorting this once and for all. Let us know how you get on.

I'm not talking about reasoning with them as you so glibly suggest. I'm talking about finding out why they even exist? Did you ever stop to ask that question or is that out of your depth?

There was no French Resistance until the Nazis invaded France.
There was no Hizbollah until Israel invaded Lebanon.
There was no IRA/IRB until the British gave them a reason to exist.
There was no FLN in Algeria until the French caused it to fight.

Do you see a pattern here or is this concept just WAY over your head?

Now I know IQ's have been dropping around here ever since Dubya's cretinous rule and "War on Terror" began but even a child could tell his father to stop kicking the dog if he doesn't want it to keep biting him back.

So have you any idea as to the reason why these ISIS guys are fighting or are you ignoring that question because it might cause you to do some critical thinking and maybe revisit your entrenched and deluded views?

Egginacup · 17-07-2015 03:02PM

smurfjed wrote: »

Are you saying that ISIS doesn't exist?

I don't know if they do exist or not. Most intelligence professionals will tell you that Al-Qaeda never existed and that it was a wholly made up phenomenon to ratchet up fear.

Egginacup · 17-07-2015 03:04PM

Deleted User wrote: »

This.

The Western media and news outlets have done more for ISIS' cause than anyone else. You watch the news and it's almost a daily occurrence that someone is showing snippets from the propaganda videos they produce.

And then they wonder how it spreads.

Then an attack happens, they have wall-to-wall 24 hour news coverage, either showing the person's history or if they had recorded a video telling of their intended actions and why. And this gets repeated and repeated and repeated. Across the Western world.

And then they wonder how it spreads.

That's how fear-mongering works. Most if not all of those videos of Bin Laden were faked but they were plastered all over corporate news media broadcasts.

smurfjed · 17-07-2015 03:16PM

I don't know if they do exist or not

Then who or what are responsible for the atrocities taking place in Iraq/Syria?

I'm not talking about reasoning with them as you so glibly suggest. I'm talking about finding out why they even exist? Did you ever stop to ask that question or is that out of your depth?

Have you considered that the problem dates back to a power play by the followers of a man called ALI?

conorhal · 17-07-2015 03:24PM

Egginacup wrote: »

I'm not talking about reasoning with them as you so glibly suggest. I'm talking about finding out why they even exist? Did you ever stop to ask that question or is that out of your depth?

There was no French Resistance until the Nazis invaded France.
There was no Hizbollah until Israel invaded Lebanon.
There was no IRA/IRB until the British gave them a reason to exist.
There was no FLN in Algeria until the French caused it to fight.

Do you see a pattern here or is this concept just WAY over your head?

Now I know IQ's have been dropping around here ever since Dubya's cretinous rule and "War on Terror" began but even a child could tell his father to stop kicking the dog if he doesn't want it to keep biting him back.

So have you any idea as to the reason why these ISIS guys are fighting or are you ignoring that question because it might cause you to do some critical thinking and maybe revisit your entrenched and deluded views?

Islam has been on a constant jihad against Europe (and everybody else) for over a thousand years. That's the real horse you're putting the cart before.

17-07-2015 03:37PM

conorhal wrote: »

Ah that's nonsense. These creeps watch none of this, there have been more than a few documentaries about radicalization lately and the path is well and truly explored.
Mosques and the 'study groups' that operate out of them are largely responsible for targeting young and impressionable people. A quarter of mosques in the UK have been shown to have material in their bookshops and libraries that are extremist in nature.
Once hooked in by extremist societies the adherents of political Islam are fed a daily diet of propaganda via the internet where they are groomed, manipulated and encouraged to avoid the contamination of western culture. They get their news from Islamism regions, watch TV via the internet or satellite from the same and lurk only in forums or websites embedded in Islamism ideology. They sit in a silo of hatered that I assure you doesn’t include FOX news.

It's been demonstrated numerous times that the wall-to-wall coverage of terrorist attacks, school shootings, and other violent crimes actively promotes and encourages it to happen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PezlFNTGWv4

conorhal · 17-07-2015 04:02PM

Deleted User wrote: »

It's been demonstrated numerous times that the wall-to-wall coverage of terrorist attacks, school shootings, and other violent crimes actively promotes and encourages it to happen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PezlFNTGWv4

I blame videogames myself :pac:.

Jamsiek · 17-07-2015 08:57PM

suicide_circus wrote: »

I object to these titles like IS/Daesh etc...using these descriptions adds an air of legitimacy to these people. Let's call them what they are, bandits. Murdering, raping, thieving, vandalising bandits.

They hate the name "Daesh" they have flogged people for even mentioning the word. It's not a very complimentary name to call them.
Hence why they have been called "Daesh cutthroats".

I agree with you though about the other names, it makes them seem legitimate, when they are medieval savages.

Jamsiek · 17-07-2015 09:03PM

Egginacup wrote: »

Most intelligence professionals will tell you that Al-Qaeda never existed and that it was a wholly made up phenomenon to ratchet up fear.

I would like to see the statistics here.
"Most"? Really?

darkpagandeath · 17-07-2015 09:19PM

Egginacup wrote: »

I don't know if they do exist or not. Most intelligence professionals will tell you that Al-Qaeda never existed and that it was a wholly made up phenomenon to ratchet up fear.

Like Nazis killing Russian speakers ?

Nodin · 17-07-2015 09:58PM

conorhal wrote: »

Islam has been on a constant jihad against Europe (and everybody else) for over a thousand years. That's the real horse you're putting the cart before.

*sigh

http://www.bubblews.com/posts/dr-bill-warner-scary-islamophobic-pseudo-historian

Streetwalker · 17-07-2015 10:19PM

Fair play to him. Rather him over there than here.

crockholm · 17-07-2015 11:51PM

Nodin wrote: »

*sigh

http://www.bubblews.com/posts/dr-bill-warner-scary-islamophobic-pseudo-historian

Honestly,the only thing sigh-worthy was you posting the "riposte".Perhaps you have learned European History through bubblews.com,and that would explain a lot,but jesus h christ,even the author who penned that trash admitted that he was "woefully uninformed about historical matters in the east" and then goes on to say "OK,he didn't actually say that,but it was the gist".

And you used this tripe as a rebuttal????

Sigh,indeed.

ISIS sympathizer arrested in dublin but then released

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