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The 2015 All Ireland Senior Football Championship

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  • #1382
    Tom Joad
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    Alvin Holler wrote: »
    Seriously unlikely, he's had one year of a five year term.

    Didn't know he got a five year term tbh. Seriously underwhelming year from them and would question if McGeeney is the man to take them forward. But point accepted than they are unlikely to let him go so soon.


  • #1383
    Fr Tod Umptious
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    Draw for 3B will take place at 8.30am on RTE Radio 1.

    In it will be
    Galway
    Tyrone
    Derry
    Tipp.

    Not sure when the 4 A draw is but it will be in one pot
    Fermanagh and Kildare
    And in tne other
    Westmeath and Cork/Kerry


  • #1384
    Craptacular
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    Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »
    Not sure when the 4 A draw is but it will be in one pot
    Fermanagh and Kildare
    And in tne other
    Westmeath and Cork/Kerry
    The IT are saying Dublin will face the Munster runners up or Fermanagh. I can't find anything to back that up though.

    Edit - just saw on Westmeath GAA twitter that the draw is on Radio 1 in the morning.


  • #1385
    threeball
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    Tom Joad wrote: »
    McGrath is an excellent manager and done it with the same small panel of players that Canavan had. He is getting the most out of Quigley too which helps.

    Bad result for Armagh and probably the end for McGeeney there.

    How can you call that a bad result for Armagh, a third division team against a team thats gaining momentum and who almost certainly would be division 1 next year had they the Corofin players for the league. A team that got hammered by Donegal and struggled with Wicklow against a team that should have pushed Mayo to the wire if they didn't concede a stupid own goal. The only bad result here was that Galway didn't win this with more to spare.


  • #1386
    Farmer Pudsey
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    Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »
    Draw for 3B will take place at 8.30am on RTE Radio 1.

    In it will be
    Galway
    Tyrone
    Derry
    Tipp.

    Not sure when the 4 A draw is but it will be in one pot
    Fermanagh and Kildare
    And in tne other
    Westmeath and Cork/Kerry

    It would be nice to see Tipp get Westmeath. A winnable game for both of them


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  • #1387
    threeball
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    Farmer Pudsey wrote: »
    It would be nice to see Tipp get Westmeath. A winnable game for both of them

    Tipp can only get teams on their side of the draw. Galway, Tyrone, Derry


  • #1388
    keane2097
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    threeball wrote: »
    How can you call that a bad result for Armagh, a third division team against a team thats gaining momentum and who almost certainly would be division 1 next year had they the Corofin players for the league. A team that got hammered by Donegal and struggled with Wicklow against a team that should have pushed Mayo to the wire if they didn't concede a stupid own goal. The only bad result here was that Galway didn't win this with more to spare.

    It does seem there's a general belief that teams from Ulster are better than teams from everywhere else despite any preponderance of evidence.


  • #1389
    Tom Joad
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    threeball wrote: »
    How can you call that a bad result for Armagh, a third division team against a team thats gaining momentum and who almost certainly would be division 1 next year had they the Corofin players for the league. A team that got hammered by Donegal and struggled with Wicklow against a team that should have pushed Mayo to the wire if they didn't concede a stupid own goal. The only bad result here was that Galway didn't win this with more to spare.

    My comment wasn't meant as a slight against Galway - I could have phrased it better. Armagh got to a quarter final last year losing by a point to Donegal, after beating Roscommon, Meath and Tyrone on the way. They are now a Division 2 team after cruising through the league and had every right to feel confident and that they were a team on the rise coming into the championship. A mauling at home to Donegal and another defeat at home to Galway to me represents a bad championship for Armagh football -that was my point.


  • #1390
    Fr Tod Umptious
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    Craptacular wrote: »
    The IT are saying Dublin will face the Munster runners up or Fermanagh. I can't find anything to back that up though.

    Edit - just saw on Westmeath GAA twitter that the draw is on Radio 1 in the morning.

    I don't think there is anything to stop Dublin meeting Kildare.

    I know they meet earlier, but so too did Longford v Offaly and Fermanagh v Antrim.

    The only teams that cannot meet again is the Provincial champ and the team they beat in the final.

    So no Cork v Kerry or Dublin v Westmeath in the QF.


  • #1391
    K-9
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    keane2097 wrote: »
    It does seem there's a general belief that teams from Ulster are better than teams from everywhere else despite any preponderance of evidence.

    The province that generally does best in the Qualifiers, that's all the evidence we can go on, barring league. Unless you've some other metric nobody knows and you can share with us?

    1 Leinster county qualifying for the last round is pretty atrocious. Armagh lose a 50/50 game and Fermanagh pull of a cracking result instead.

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



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  • #1392
    Boom__Boom
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    46 games played so far in the championship and only 4 games where a team that played in a lower division this year beat a team from a higher division.


  • #1393
    threeball
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    K-9 wrote: »
    The province that generally does best in the Qualifiers, that's all the evidence we can go on, barring league. Unless you've some other metric nobody knows and you can share with us?

    1 Leinster county qualifying for the last round is pretty atrocious. Armagh lose a 50/50 game and Fermanagh pull of a cracking result instead.

    Maybe over the last decade but recent results have shown they're only slightly better or on par with other counties of the top 10. Tyrone needed a late goal to rescue a win against a meath team reeling from the Westmeath game. Armagh scrape by wicklow. There should have been 4 connaught teams in the pot this evening if rocommon hadn't sh1t their pants again when coasting. Ulster is no longer the force it once was. The reality is that each province now has one uber-team and the 3 teams below them in each province are not that far away from one another.


  • #1394
    Tom Joad
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    threeball wrote: »
    Maybe over the last decade but recent results have shown they're only slightly better or on par with other counties of the top 10. Tyrone needed a late goal to rescue a win against a meath team reeling from the Westmeath game. Armagh scrape by wicklow. There should have been 4 connaught teams in the pot this evening if rocommon hadn't sh1t their pants again when coasting. Ulster is no longer the force it once was. The reality is that each province now has one uber-team and the 3 teams below them in each province are not that far away from one another.

    Armagh won by ten points.


  • #1395
    TCDStudent1
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    threeball wrote: »
    How can you call that a bad result for Armagh, a third division team against a team thats gaining momentum and who almost certainly would be division 1 next year had they the Corofin players for the league. A team that got hammered by Donegal and struggled with Wicklow against a team that should have pushed Mayo to the wire if they didn't concede a stupid own goal. The only bad result here was that Galway didn't win this with more to spare.


    A lot of "IFS" in that post. There is absolutely no certainty that Galway would have been promoted if the Corofin players were available. Absolutely they would have been an addition. But that does not mean they would have been promoted.

    But the problem is Galway did concede a stupid goal against Mayo. Good teams do not / should not concede goals like that. And that mistake probably cost Galway's goalkeeper his place today.

    It was a poor result for Armagh. They were up against an average Galway side, albeit a Galway side with potential. At the moment, they are still very average. Armagh may be a division 3 team, but there is not much between division 2 & division 3 at the moment. A lot of Galway fans expected that home advantage for Armagh might swing this match in Armagh's favour. I think Armagh must consider this to be a poor result, and a poor performance. They were too defensive, stood off Galway too much. When Galway got into their lead, Armagh still sat back. When they really took the match to Galway in the last few minutes, they had Galway in a little bit of trouble. I feel they will regret sitting back for so much of the match.


  • #1396
    Boom__Boom
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    Tom Joad wrote: »
    Armagh won by ten points.

    Armagh outscored Wicklow 2-3 to no score in the last 5 minutes. Wicklow got 1 point from frees, missing 8 which could be described as kickable according to match reports, trying 4 different freetakers. It definitely wasn't a match where the final score reflected the closeness of the match.


  • #1397
    threeball
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    Tom Joad wrote: »
    Armagh won by ten points.

    Thanks to two late goals that put a sheen on it. It was pretty close up to that point


  • #1398
    K-9
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    Leinster counties come top in what ifs league. Kildare are lucky they'd an easy Division 4 team draw, there's another what if but they don't count I bet.

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



  • #1399
    dog_pig
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    keane2097 wrote: »
    It does seem there's a general belief that teams from Ulster are better than teams from everywhere else despite any preponderance of evidence.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=96139677&postcount=220


  • #1400
    threeball
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    TCDStudent1 wrote: »
    A lot of "IFS" in that post. There is absolutely no certainty that Galway would have been promoted if the Corofin players were available. Absolutely they would have been an addition. But that does not mean they would have been promoted.

    But the problem is Galway did concede a stupid goal against Mayo. Good teams do not / should not concede goals like that. And that mistake probably cost Galway's goalkeeper his place today.

    It was a poor result for Armagh. They were up against an average Galway side, albeit a Galway side with potential. At the moment, they are still very average. Armagh may be a division 3 team, but there is not much between division 2 & division 3 at the moment. A lot of Galway fans expected that home advantage for Armagh might swing this match in Armagh's favour. I think Armagh must consider this to be a poor result, and a poor performance. They were too defensive, stood off Galway too much. When Galway got into their lead, Armagh still sat back. When they really took the match to Galway in the last few minutes, they had Galway in a little bit of trouble. I feel they will regret sitting back for so much of the match.

    My point was they had better form than Armagh by quite a bit and the result couldn't be described as a poor result anymore than if Galway draw Tyrone in the next round and lost. It could go either way. A couple of analysts have described Galway as the best team in division 2 this year with 2nd half concentration costing them almost nailed on wins. They were more than capable of putting Armagh to the sword. Hopefully they'll get past the next round and have some chance of seeing Shane Walsh return.


  • #1401
    seligehgit
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    TCDStudent1 wrote: »
    A lot of "IFS" in that post. There is absolutely no certainty that Galway would have been promoted if the Corofin players were available. Absolutely they would have been an addition. But that does not mean they would have been promoted.

    But the problem is Galway did concede a stupid goal against Mayo. Good teams do not / should not concede goals like that. And that mistake probably cost Galway's goalkeeper his place today.

    It was a poor result for Armagh. They were up against an average Galway side, albeit a Galway side with potential. At the moment, they are still very average. Armagh may be a division 3 team, but there is not much between division 2 & division 3 at the moment. A lot of Galway fans expected that home advantage for Armagh might swing this match in Armagh's favour. I think Armagh must consider this to be a poor result, and a poor performance. They were too defensive, stood off Galway too much. When Galway got into their lead, Armagh still sat back. When they really took the match to Galway in the last few minutes, they had Galway in a little bit of trouble. I feel they will regret sitting back for so much of the match.

    Don't think you're giving your home county enough credit.Mayo may be a team in decline,the jury as yet is out.But Galway are definitely a team with a lot of potential and if they can tighten up a tad at the back could make significant progress over the next few years...potential quarter final this year,certainly a Connaught title and possibly more in the immediate future.

    The addition of the Corofin lads would made a huge difference to their push for division one football.


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  • #1402
    TCDStudent1
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    threeball wrote: »
    My point was they had better form than Armagh by quite a bit and the result couldn't be described as a poor result anymore than if Galway draw Tyrone in the next round and lost. It could go either way. A couple of analysts have described Galway as the best team in division 2 this year with 2nd half concentration costing them almost nailed on wins. They were more than capable of putting Armagh to the sword. Hopefully they'll get past the next round and have some chance of seeing Shane Walsh return.

    To be honest, if Galway were the best team in division 2, they wouldn't have lost concentration in those matches where they lost big leads. The way in which they lost matches they should have won proved to me that they were not the best team in division 2!


  • #1403
    threeball
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    TCDStudent1 wrote: »
    To be honest, if Galway were the best team in division 2, they wouldn't have lost concentration in those matches where they lost big leads. The way in which they lost matches they should have won proved to me that they were not the best team in division 2!

    A bit more depth and leaders like Lundy and Sice would have added alot to that team and I've no doubt they would have been promoted. They were by no means the finished article but the football they played at times was superior to other teams in the division. The poor mouth won't do them any good. They need to have ambition and so should the fans.


  • #1404
    ArmaniJeanss
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    keane2097 wrote: »
    It does seem there's a general belief that teams from Ulster are better than teams from everywhere else despite any preponderance of evidence.

    You love your stats fats.
    Maybe take time to go through championship matches between teams from different provinces over the last year, 5 years, and 10 years. Any province with over 50% win rate is plausibly stronger than any with <50% win rate.

    I've genuinely no idea what the results are but would be interested to see.
    We can then get someone else to maybe exclude the first round of qualifiers and do it again (as first round is Leinster/Ulster topheavy and may skew the results).


  • #1405
    thinkstoomuch1
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    Delighted Galway won and I'm fan Walsh and said it on Cork thread many times mcgenney poor manager but way over rated


  • #1406
    slogging...it
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    It's pretty ironic calling Leinster teams kings of the what if league when ulster teams claim to fame is, the there sysnisism and will not to play football is ruinning football, Westmeath football should hang there head in shame fr implementing that muck and dropping the football that gt them that far is is nt better to loose by 20 and score 20


  • #1407
    glenkeo
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    Hi am I right in thinking that there is 2 teams left on the A side of qualifiers Kildare and Fermanagh, how will play Westmeath or cork/Kerry.
    And on the B side Derry, Tyrone, tipp, Galway will play to 2 teams next week then play the looser of ulster /Connacht
    Then 2 teams from the A side will play Dublin or cork/Kerry
    Then 2 teams from B side will play ulster/Connacht
    Then it is leinster v Connacht and ulster v munster or the team that beats one of the provincial winners


  • #1408
    jethro081
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    slogging...it wrote: »
    It's pretty ironic calling Leinster teams kings of the what if league when ulster teams claim to fame is, the there sysnisism and will not to play football is ruinning football, Westmeath football should hang there head in shame fr implementing that muck and dropping the football that gt them that far is is nt better to loose by 20 and score 20

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CWIIoSf4nw


  • #1409
    Fr Tod Umptious
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    glenkeo wrote: »
    Hi am I right in thinking that there is 2 teams left on the A side of qualifiers Kildare and Fermanagh, how will play Westmeath or cork/Kerry.
    And on the B side Derry, Tyrone, tipp, Galway will play to 2 teams next week then play the looser of ulster /Connacht
    Then 2 teams from the A side will play Dublin or cork/Kerry
    Then 2 teams from B side will play ulster/Connacht
    Then it is leinster v Connacht and ulster v munster or the team that beats one of the provincial winners

    That's exactly how it is with the caveat that in the quarter final the provincial winner cannot meet the team they beat in the provincial final.


  • #1410
    Nidgeweasel
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    slogging...it wrote: »
    It's pretty ironic calling Leinster teams kings of the what if league when ulster teams claim to fame is, the there sysnisism and will not to play football is ruinning football, Westmeath football should hang there head in shame fr implementing that muck and dropping the football that gt them that far is is nt better to loose by 20 and score 20

    Eloquent.


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  • #1411
    Fr Tod Umptious
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    3 B draw (Home advantage)

    Tipp v Tyrone
    Galway v Derry

    4 A draw (Neutral venue)
    Kildare v Cork/Kerry
    Fermanagh v Westmeath


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