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Greengrass1 · 10-07-2015 03:36PM

jaymla627 wrote: »

If your allocating the right amount of grass and have cows trained into the system their isn't any issues, the Controlled starvation statement I never grasped if theirz 3 grazings in the paddock 3 equal 12 blocks is no different to letting them run over all of it the first grazing except your saving them pissing/****ting/walking/lying on perfectly good grass....
On the time issue setting up wires I reckon it would probably half lameness in alot of herds if 12 hour blocks where used and wires changed as cows exit paddock simply because they then walk in at their own pace and aren't been drove in with a quad etc

Couldn't disagree more.
You have cows hungry every 12 hrs instead of every 36 hrs.
anyone I ever talked to about it said there solids always lifted after they took out the wire. Cows are on edge all the time and a bit stressed
bf of 4.35 and p of 3.80 atm

friesian13 · 10-07-2015 06:54PM

p 3.71 bf 4.21. always had p down around 3.4 to 3.5 at this time of year.working for me anyway.

johnny122 · 10-07-2015 07:17PM

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Controlled starvation we call that. Always found cows were never satisfied when used 12 hr bresks

Agreed anything better that 12hrs. Hard to graze out though I find

trixi2011 · 10-07-2015 07:22PM

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Couldn't disagree more.
You have cows hungry every 12 hrs instead of every 36 hrs.
anyone I ever talked to about it said there solids always lifted after they took out the wire. Cows are on edge all the time and a bit stressed
bf of 4.35 and p of 3.80 atm

Cows soundnt go hungry if your getting it right 12/24 or 36 hr breaks use 24 hour breaks here always have cows going onto fresh grass in pm and cleaning up in the day when im round to move them if they hit target residual . Junes average p was 3.95 down into the 3.8s at the moment with the wet weather and really low grass dm but sure it will go back up when we get some dry weather

mahoney_j · 10-07-2015 08:26PM

3.66 p 3.89 fat 28.2 Ltrs on 36/48!hour breaks .no problem with clean out .cows content .onlybuse 12 hour breaks in spring or at tale end of year .can understand where jay is coming from and fairly sure Stan uses 12 hour strips and look at results he is getting .wouldnt be a fan of it myself and always find a bounce in solids and yield once they go on 24/36 plus hour blocks

C0N0R · 11-07-2015 02:51PM

Not entirely a dairy related question but plenty of good advice here. Have ten acres in the process of reseeding here and at the picking grass seed phase here now and completely lost.

Land is heavish but not bog, used for two cuts of silage and grazing afterwards, would like to get a grazing before closing up but that would be all new to us! Try to cut late may as soon as weather land and grass allow. I'm not sure on the inclusion of clover due to weather and the fact it's been used as silage, do I want late heading early heading diploid tetraploid etc, I'm lost!! Looking at germinal top five silage containing;

2kg Dunluce
2kg Seagoe
3.5kg Abermagic
3.5kg Drumbo
0.5kg Clover

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

jaymla627 · 11-07-2015 02:59PM

C0N0R wrote: »

Not entirely a dairy related question but plenty of good advice here. Have ten acres in the process of reseeding here and at the picking grass seed phase here now and completely lost.

Land is heavish but not bog, used for two cuts of silage and grazing afterwards, would like to get a grazing before closing up but that would be all new to us! Try to cut late may as soon as weather land and grass allow. I'm not sure on the inclusion of clover due to weather and the fact it's been used as silage, do I want late heading early heading diploid tetraploid etc, I'm lost!! Looking at germinal top five silage containing;

2kg Dunluce
2kg Seagoe
3.5kg Abermagic
3.5kg Drumbo
0.5kg Clover

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Have 20 acres of the top 5 put in from last year, would stay away from it on heavish ground, heads out early 20th May and gets very raggy if left for a week our two so in a wet year on heavish ground with delayed cutting you'd be in trouble....
Put moregrass mg 50 wetland in last year also and am very impressed with it really persistent and holds together well and palatable

C0N0R · 11-07-2015 03:43PM

jaymla627 wrote: »

Have 20 acres of the top 5 put in from last year, would stay away from it on heavish ground, heads out early 20th May and gets very raggy if left for a week our two so in a wet year on heavish ground with delayed cutting you'd be in trouble....
Put moregrass mg 50 wetland in last year also and am very impressed with it really persistent and holds together well and palatable

Heading dates are between 30th may and 8 July, how does that work then?

jaymla627 · 11-07-2015 04:15PM

C0N0R wrote: »

Heading dates are between 30th may and 8 July, how does that work then?

We cut first cut 17 may of this 20 acres and seed heads where starting to pop up, had to leave an acre in a wet spot that was eventually cut 5th June and it was all headed out a week and a complete wirey mess, that's just my expirence of it anyways

Injuryprone · 11-07-2015 07:46PM

C0N0R wrote: »

Not entirely a dairy related question but plenty of good advice here. Have ten acres in the process of reseeding here and at the picking grass seed phase here now and completely lost.

Land is heavish but not bog, used for two cuts of silage and grazing afterwards, would like to get a grazing before closing up but that would be all new to us! Try to cut late may as soon as weather land and grass allow. I'm not sure on the inclusion of clover due to weather and the fact it's been used as silage, do I want late heading early heading diploid tetraploid etc, I'm lost!! Looking at germinal top five silage containing;

2kg Dunluce
2kg Seagoe
3.5kg Abermagic
3.5kg Drumbo
0.5kg Clover

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

I'm doing similar land as well at the moment. Teagasc man advised the following mix per acre if its any help

Glenveagh 5 kg
Clanrye. 5 kg
Aspect. 5 kg

I'd stay away from the clover on wet ground.

the_blue_oval · 11-07-2015 08:41PM

does anyone here know if theres a limit on how far away rented slurry storage can be from your own farm?

someone mentioned to me that they think theres a limit but i cant find anything saying that theres a limit on it...

keep going · 11-07-2015 11:03PM

Doing a bit of looking into tams seeing as alot have stuff done on here what price is a bin, batch feeders, and a 6 or 7 thousand litre bulk tank

Buford T. Justice XIX · 12-07-2015 03:00PM

Just heard a neighbour went down with 12 reactors, after losing 14 last test. All milking cows. Some blow:eek:

They reckon a piece of rotovated scrub ground near the worst of the breakdown disturbed a sett of badgers and they went in all directions.

Milked out · 12-07-2015 03:04PM

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

Just heard a neighbour went down with 12 reactors, after losing 14 last test. All milking cows. Some blow:eek:

They reckon a piece of rotovated scrub ground near the worst of the breakdown disturbed a sett of badgers and they went in all directions.

It's a sickener, particularly when cows go down in later tests as opposed to the first one. Have the department cleared out and tested any badgers

Buford T. Justice XIX · 12-07-2015 03:10PM

Milked out wrote: »

It's a sickener, particularly when cows go down in later tests as opposed to the first one. Have the department cleared out and tested any badgers

ALL badgers gone for about a mile around with 3 months but nobody seems to know if any lesions found when i asked last week.

Milked out · 12-07-2015 03:21PM

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

ALL badgers gone for about a mile around with 3 months but nobody seems to know if any lesions found when i asked last week.

Neighbour locked up again here cull cow killed out with lesions, had a bad breakdown here 2.5 to 3 yrs ago had 10 of ours went with similar numbers in couple of neighbours but it was spread out over a few tests took 13 months to go clear. No lesions in cows that went down then
One vet mentioned if a cow was bad enough with it the immune system may not respond to the skin test then, said a couple of times myself if a quarter of the money was directed at improving the testing at least they could be more accurate maybe it's not possible but surely something could be developed

Sacrolyte · 12-07-2015 03:30PM

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

ALL badgers gone for about a mile around with 3 months but nobody seems to know if any lesions found when i asked last week.

Loads of reactors out your direction at the moment justice. Are they making any hand of it or is it still detioriating. Lixnaw still pretty bad too.

Buford T. Justice XIX · 12-07-2015 03:37PM

Sacrolyte wrote: »

Loads of reactors out your direction at the moment justice. Are they making any hand of it or is it still detioriating. Lixnaw still pretty bad too.

There is just 2 bad herds in this breakdown, both bounding the cleared scrub.

One lad lost 48 in total, about half of them calves. He's clear now.

The other lad has 26 cows in two tests.

A few with 10-12 but the majority seem to have 2-3 only and the number of reactors drops hugely the further you get from the scrub ground.

I heard there was a few in Lixnaw alright but i didn't hear how bad it was.

Sacrolyte · 12-07-2015 04:49PM

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

There is just 2 bad herds in this breakdown, both bounding the cleared scrub.

One lad lost 48 in total, about half of them calves. He's clear now.

The other lad has 26 cows in two tests.

A few with 10-12 but the majority seem to have 2-3 only and the number of reactors drops hugely the further you get from the scrub ground.

I heard there was a few in Lixnaw alright but i didn't hear how bad it was.

Yeah in many instances where ground has been cleared for road or reclaim badger populations have been dispersed and mixing seems to have caused much of the problems. Then you have some infected badgers moving into new areas and wrecking havoc in herds where immunity is low.
As for lixnaw I think their over the worst of it now but I'm not sure what set it off.

Deepsouthwest · 13-07-2015 08:53AM

Back to 12 hr blocks, posts and wire and back fencing here, massive deterioration in ground conditions in the last wk. Awful night of v heavy drizzle and rain, with no sign of a let up. Amazing how localised this drizzle/sea fog/sh1t is, 15 miles inland and it's gone.
Drove from Dublin yesterday, sunshine there and v pleasant all the way down the country, even saw a man baling hay in Laois. 30 miles from home/the coast in west cork I could see the clouds building west of us, 10/15 miles from home, wipers on and on since! 3 or 4 wks of this now, but mixed with plenty heavy rainfall in the last wk. A lot of lads with first cut/only cut silage to cut since the 20th of June still not getting a chance. That will be some ****e when cut

whelan2 · 13-07-2015 09:23AM

there was a map on the weather last night and it showed our area only got 40% of the normal rainfall for june

Timmaay · 13-07-2015 10:20AM

Only the 2nd soft day here in about 6wks, and it's badly needed, the last bit of rain about a week ago really helped things get moving again, but it's nothing more than that, the SR of 2.5 we've had since mid June is above as much as the growth would support. But in any case ground conditions certainly ain't an issue for silage ha, the contractor is due to come this morning to cut 5acres of stuff that got away from me (headed out with heat stress), even with the soft day I'll let him cut away as the forecast is back to the same tomorrow on, so it will get loads of time to dry.

Greengrass1 · 13-07-2015 10:33AM

Anyone else here that 1st choices for ag/hot course down 19% loosing out to construction based courses.

whelan2 · 13-07-2015 11:30AM

Put the autumn calving heifers through the parlour there for the first time. You'd swear they where going to be murdered

Cow Porter · 13-07-2015 11:36AM

don't know if i should open new thread for this, has anyone seen a setup using electrified mats for cows crossing the road so cars can drive over and pass. seen a few pics on twitter but has anyone seen them in use and are they still in use or thrown away.

cows crossing a quiet road here and its annoying that they are waiting around on a path that is soon turning into a slurry pit [mastitis, lameness, intakes, slow to move along out of parlour, etc etc] be grand if they could just cross away, only be 1 or 2 cars during milking, would have to ask/tell equine centre not to pass by with horses during milking but never seen them at that time anyway.

another thing is how to word a sign that would be put up.... "cows crossing at own pace" :cool: its a straight road no bends etc. certainly cant justify a tunnel

Milked out · 13-07-2015 11:38AM

whelan2 wrote: »

Put the autumn calving heifers through the parlour there for the first time. You'd swear they where going to be murdered

Do you do that every year? First time ours see the parlour is after calving but we have cows calving with them. Getting them in is the hard part I find, but when thay are coming in ones and twos they tend to follow the cows, be different if it was one big bunch together, can be a lottery then if they kick or stand or drop the milk at all most aren't too bad tho

Milked out · 13-07-2015 11:43AM

Cow Porter wrote: »

don't know if i should open new thread for this, has anyone seen a setup using electrified mats for cows crossing the road so cars can drive over and pass. seen a few pics on twitter but has anyone seen them in use and are they still in use or thrown away.

cows crossing a quiet road here and its annoying that they are waiting around on a path that is soon turning into a slurry pit [mastitis, lameness, intakes, slow to move along out of parlour, etc etc] be grand if they could just cross away, only be 1 or 2 cars during milking, would have to ask/tell equine centre not to pass by with horses during milking but never seen them at that time anyway.

another thing is how to word a sign that would be put up.... "cows crossing at own pace" :cool: its a straight road no bends etc. certainly cant justify a tunnel

I saw a photo of a system where a farmer put gates that can close across the road and then put cattle grids either side of his own roadway in such a way that the cows can walk across the road but if a car comes they can drive over the cattle grid when no cows are there if you get me. Gates close back out the way after and Cattle grid wasn't in main road so no council issue. Can't remember if it was here or twitter but seemed a good solution don't think it was in Ireland tho

Deepsouthwest · 13-07-2015 11:55AM

Cow Porter wrote: »

don't know if i should open new thread for this, has anyone seen a setup using electrified mats for cows crossing the road so cars can drive over and pass. seen a few pics on twitter but has anyone seen them in use and are they still in use or thrown away.

cows crossing a quiet road here and its annoying that they are waiting around on a path that is soon turning into a slurry pit [mastitis, lameness, intakes, slow to move along out of parlour, etc etc] be grand if they could just cross away, only be 1 or 2 cars during milking, would have to ask/tell equine centre not to pass by with horses during milking but never seen them at that time anyway.

another thing is how to word a sign that would be put up.... "cows crossing at own pace" :cool: its a straight road no bends etc. certainly cant justify a tunnel

Have seen that alright before, but prob not in this country. Live right beside a village here, so prob too many walkers, mums with buggies etc, not sure what they'd make of the Gallagher 2500 sparking a bit of life into them!

whelan2 · 13-07-2015 11:58AM

Milked out wrote: »

Do you do that every year? First time ours see the parlour is after calving but we have cows calving with them. Getting them in is the hard part I find, but when thay are coming in ones and twos they tend to follow the cows, be different if it was one big bunch together, can be a lottery then if they kick or stand or drop the milk at all most aren't too bad tho

i put tar on them all once a week in the summer, they are with the dry cows, today was the first day. They all went in ,it just took a while, makes a big difference when they come to be milked

orm0nd · 13-07-2015 12:47PM

Cow Porter wrote: »

don't know if i should open new thread for this, has anyone seen a setup using electrified mats for cows crossing the road so cars can drive over and pass. seen a few pics on twitter but has anyone seen them in use and are they still in use or thrown away.

cows crossing a quiet road here and its annoying that they are waiting around on a path that is soon turning into a slurry pit [mastitis, lameness, intakes, slow to move along out of parlour, etc etc] be grand if they could just cross away, only be 1 or 2 cars during milking, would have to ask/tell equine centre not to pass by with horses during milking but never seen them at that time anyway.

another thing is how to word a sign that would be put up.... "cows crossing at own pace" :cool: its a straight road no bends etc. certainly cant justify a tunnel

visited a guy one evening & he was using electrified sheep wire on top of rubber mats , think he only pulled them across when the cows were crossing & then pulled to to one side

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