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Cork Airport - *Read Mod Note in First Post Before Posting*

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    #152
    Rhys Essien
    Registered Users Posts: 3,029 ✭✭✭Rhys Essien


    Looks like the sale of Aer Lingus could be going ahead shortly.The EU and Ryanair have given the ok.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/transport/11730942/Ryanair-to-allow-IAG-takeover-of-Aer-Lingus.html

    http://www.rte.ie/news/business/2015/0710/713833-ryanair-iag-bid/

    The government will now have the money to make Cork Airport independent.The chances of it happening.:rolleyes:


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    #153
    Jamie2k9
    Registered Users Posts: 10,667 ✭✭✭✭Jamie2k9


    snotboogie wrote: »
    Moving the EBC to Dublin wasn't an option, they only have a handful of people in a sales office there. They already have an EBC and full operations in London. Their clients weren't happy with a 3 hour trek down to Cork from DUB or even the shorter drive from Shannon. EMC are putting the squeeze on for a direct Boston flight once a week.

    Ok fair enough but the routes Cork have lost between 2880-2014 were primarily Irish bucket and spade services and Eastman European service. Hardly investment routes.

    This move is not because of lack of air connections


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    #154
    rob316
    Registered Users Posts: 17,956 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    pwurple wrote: »
    I guess I'm old enough to have some buddies long in the tooth in EMC. They constantly mention the problem getting flights out of cork. It's a pain in the backside. Same for any of the other global companies in cork. Apple, j&j etc. the issue has high visibility in corporates.

    Direct flights to heaps of business destinations just do not exist anymore, or are scheduled at utterly pointless times/dates for work. Look at that Brussels flight for goodness sake. Useless times.

    And then there's the new fiasco of flights being announced, and the route pulled again a few weeks later. Prague, Ibiza for recent examples. It makes the airport seem very unreliable.

    What business people want is pretty simple. a flight in the morning, and a flight back in the evening, so they can catch a couple of meetings. It doesn't have to be every day, two or three days a week would do.

    Driving to Dublin, getting a flight from there, fly back there, and drive home again is unreasonable for that kind of work.

    Mate of mine works in R&D in EMC in Ovens and is saying a while its causing big problems. A rep of a prospective buyer just wants to fly in and fly out as quick as possible, no hassle. Driving for almost 3 hours up and down is adding a day onto a simple journey.

    EMC have a private jet and hangar up in Cork Airport but its reserved for EMC executives.


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    #155
    Ludo
    Registered Users Posts: 5,015 ✭✭✭Ludo


    rob316 wrote: »
    Mate of mine works in R&D in EMC in Ovens and is saying a while its causing big problems. A rep of a prospective buyer just wants to fly in and fly out as quick as possible, no hassle. Driving for almost 3 hours up and down is adding a day onto a simple journey.

    EMC have a private jet and hangar up in Cork Airport but its reserved for EMC executives.

    If the "rep" really mattered then EMC would use their own jet instead of making a big song and dance about connectivity. And is it a regular trip or once off. Should some airline open a new uneconomical route just for him to wherever he needs to come from? As for this team that are relocating...I am assuming they regularly travel to many off site location (could be wrong there but that is the impression I got). Cork was never going to be the right location for them...just like many many other European cities would also be unsuitable. Again why can't they use their own jet for them?

    Yes obviously more routes would make Cork a more attractive location BUT we are a tiny city on the very outskirts of Europe (so never going to be a transit location). There is never going to be good connections from here. EMC always knew this as do all companies who locate here. A lot of them have their own jets available for this reason and others hire jets as needed.


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    #156
    snotboogie
    Registered Users Posts: 3,557 ✭✭✭snotboogie


    Jamie2k9 wrote: »
    Ok fair enough but the routes Cork have lost between 2880-2014 were primarily Irish bucket and spade services and Eastman European service. Hardly investment routes.

    This move is not because of lack of air connections

    Cork - Dublin stands out. You'd imagine they were flying people into Cork from the states via that route.


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    #157
    snotboogie
    Registered Users Posts: 3,557 ✭✭✭snotboogie


    Ludo wrote: »
    If the "rep" really mattered then EMC would use their own jet instead of making a big song and dance about connectivity. And is it a regular trip or once off. Should some airline open a new uneconomical route just for him to wherever he needs to come from? As for this team that are relocating...I am assuming they regularly travel to many off site location (could be wrong there but that is the impression I got). Cork was never going to be the right location for them...just like many many other European cities would also be unsuitable. Again why can't they use their own jet for them?

    Yes obviously more routes would make Cork a more attractive location BUT we are a tiny city on the very outskirts of Europe (so never going to be a transit location). There is never going to be good connections from here. EMC always knew this as do all companies who locate here. A lot of them have their own jets available for this reason and others hire jets as needed.

    4,000 prospective clients go through the EBC every year. There is no way they could use a private jet for anything but a tiny percentage of the biggest clients. The DAA aren't selling Cork-Logan or Cork-Newark to any airlines and EMC and Apple are extremely pissed off about it.


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    #158
    pwurple
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    Douglas Eegit wrote: »
    Aerlingus is the sole airline running between the primary hub, Heathrow and cork. EMC now use, when possible, BA between Heathrow and Dublin.
    Being in cork, and most of the flight options being with aerlingus this makes this fragile relationship with emc difficult.

    You are implying that there is some kind of flight booking embargo on Aerlingus in EMC. This is not true. And frankly, would be a little nutty considering how restricted they are already in Cork with air services.


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    #159
    pwurple
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,449 ✭✭✭✭pwurple


    Ludo wrote: »
    Yes obviously more routes would make Cork a more attractive location BUT we are a tiny city on the very outskirts of Europe (so never going to be a transit location). There is never going to be good connections from here. EMC always knew this as do all companies who locate here. A lot of them have their own jets available for this reason and others hire jets as needed.


    We are a reasonable sized city, punching way above our weight in terms of our excellent shipping port, and the number of massive global employers here. And we need to think WAY outside the city. Where are the big employers? Our manufacturing sector is located in ringaskiddy, little island, Carrigtwohill, Ovens, etc. Mostly outside the city, but all in the airport catchment. Cork County population was 518,000 people last census. Is 1/2 a million people 'small' now?

    And when EMC located here... (20-25 years ago?) we didn't have a dwindling airport dropping routes constantly. It was growing. Telling them all to f-off and take their jobs with them when they want air links is ridiculous. The amount of families they are supporting here is massive.


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    #160
    Ludo
    Registered Users Posts: 5,015 ✭✭✭Ludo


    pwurple wrote: »
    Telling them all to f-off and take their jobs with them when they want air links is ridiculous. The amount of families they are supporting here is massive.

    Where on earth did I say that? I work for one of those FDI companies so I have no interest in them leaving. The company I work for hires a jet regularly to get people in and out quickly as it is quite economical.
    99% of people working for these multinationals will never or very rarely need to travel on a regular basis. If they do travel from time to time, they are usually going for more than a day so the odd trip to Dublin or via London to get somewhere is not the end of the world. It is only a major issue for very frequent travelers who need to get places quickly. and regularly.

    And yes, 500k IS a small catchment area to support a major airport when Dublin is so close and easily accessible.


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    #161
    CB19Kevo
    Registered Users Posts: 799 ✭✭✭CB19Kevo


    pwurple wrote: »
    We are a reasonable sized city, punching way above our weight in terms of our excellent shipping port, and the number of massive global employers here. And we need to think WAY outside the city. Where are the big employers? Our manufacturing sector is located in ringaskiddy, little island, Carrigtwohill, Ovens, etc. Mostly outside the city, but all in the airport catchment. Cork County population was 518,000 people last census. Is 1/2 a million people 'small' now?

    And when EMC located here... (20-25 years ago?) we didn't have a dwindling airport dropping routes constantly. It was growing. Telling them all to f-off and take their jobs with them when they want air links is ridiculous. The amount of families they are supporting here is massive.

    Cork is doing well with all the multinationals,But i think it must be accepted that it is a very small city,And even a metro population of 518,000 plus would be seen as small outside of Ireland.

    Massive potential yes,But a reality of the current situation must be considered.

    Flights to Dublin might be no bad thing,Once they are regular.


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    #162
    fuerte1976
    Closed Accounts Posts: 692 ✭✭✭fuerte1976


    Any truth to the story the the Cork - Fuerteventura route is to be restored in time for the winter schedule? I've been told that some flights pulled from Shannon by Ryanair were to be adjusted to work out of Cork.


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    #163
    Jamie2k9
    Registered Users Posts: 10,667 ✭✭✭✭Jamie2k9


    snotboogie wrote: »
    Cork - Dublin stands out. You'd imagine they were flying people into Cork from the states via that route.

    Well if that was an issue how did they manage for last 8 or so years.....


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    #164
    .red.
    Registered Users Posts: 3,334 ✭✭✭.red.


    rob316 wrote: »

    EMC have a private jet and hangar up in Cork Airport but its reserved for EMC executives.

    The jet is still in a lot but EMC gave up the hangar a good while back. The story was that they were being charged too much for it which always sounded a bit dodgy.

    The hangar is now going to be used by a helicopter servicing an exploratory oil rig off the coast of cork. Itll be there for 6/8 weeks at least flying 2/3/4 times a day.
    Last time it was here it was based in waterford and flew empty to cork and back everyday cos there was nowhere to store it here.
    Again, this is jobs and money into the airport but as there are no seats available it there wont be a big deal made of it in the media.


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    #165
    Douglas Eegit
    Registered Users Posts: 277 ✭✭Douglas Eegit


    pwurple wrote: »
    You are implying that there is some kind of flight booking embargo on Aerlingus in EMC. This is not true. And frankly, would be a little nutty considering how restricted they are already in Cork with air services.

    Nope, as there is limited other option then this is not the case. I have flown into cork courtesy of emc on board aerlingus.


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    #166
    highlydebased
    Registered Users Posts: 7,466 ✭✭✭highlydebased


    fuerte1976 wrote:
    Any truth to the story the the Cork - Fuerteventura route is to be restored in time for the winter schedule? I've been told that some flights pulled from Shannon by Ryanair were to be adjusted to work out of Cork.


    They are flying to Tenerife this winter from SNN instead of FUE, if it were to operate from Cork there would have to be room in the aircraft schedule there


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    #167
    snotboogie
    Registered Users Posts: 3,557 ✭✭✭snotboogie


    Jamie2k9 wrote: »
    Well if that was an issue how did they manage for last 8 or so years.....

    I don't think it's a case of being impossible, just impractical.


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    #168
    pwurple
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,449 ✭✭✭✭pwurple


    Douglas Eegit wrote: »
    Nope, as there is limited other option then this is not the case. I have flown into cork courtesy of emc on board aerlingus.

    Exactly. As have a whole lot of other Emc employees. I really don't know what point you are trying to make.


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    #169
    j8wk2feszrnpao
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,438 ✭✭✭j8wk2feszrnpao


    Ludo wrote: »
    99% of people working for these multinationals will never or very rarely need to travel on a regular basis.
    As someone who also works for one of the multinationals in Cork, this is very true. I've seen the number of people who travel drop in recent years due to advances in video conferencing.


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    #170
    snotboogie
    Registered Users Posts: 3,557 ✭✭✭snotboogie


    munstermagic11 wrote: »
    As someone who also works for one of the multinationals in Cork, this is very true. I've seen the number of people who travel drop in recent years due to advances in video conferencing.

    They are talking about clients, not employees.


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    j8wk2feszrnpao
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,438 ✭✭✭j8wk2feszrnpao


    snotboogie wrote: »
    They are talking about clients, not employees.
    Ludo, who I quoted, spoke of employees.


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    #172
    Douglas Eegit
    Registered Users Posts: 277 ✭✭Douglas Eegit


    pwurple wrote: »
    Exactly. As have a whole lot of other Emc employees. I really don't know what point you are trying to make.

    I give up.


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    #173
    lisasimpson
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    Aer lingus have doubled their winter service to tenerfe for the coming winter season


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    #174
    Rhys Essien
    Registered Users Posts: 3,029 ✭✭✭Rhys Essien


    The deal is done,Aer Lingus are now owned by IAG.Interesting times ahead.The government will pocket ~€350 million.Right being right,Cork Airport should be made independent.

    http://www.irishtimes.com/business/transport-and-tourism/aer-lingus-joins-iag-as-shareholders-approve-deal-1.2321087


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    #175
    Jamie2k9
    Registered Users Posts: 10,667 ✭✭✭✭Jamie2k9


    Rhys Essien wrote: »
    The deal is done,Aer Lingus are now owned by IAG.Interesting times ahead.The government will pocket ~€350 million.Right being right,Cork Airport should be made independent.

    http://www.irishtimes.com/business/transport-and-tourism/aer-lingus-joins-iag-as-shareholders-approve-deal-1.2321087

    Exclude US routes ex SNN and what exactly has it achieved on it's own, a few FR routes who have not grown since....


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    #176
    Rhys Essien
    Registered Users Posts: 3,029 ✭✭✭Rhys Essien


    Jamie2k9 wrote: »
    Exclude US routes ex SNN and what exactly has it achieved on it's own, a few FR routes who have not grown since....

    Cork Airport passenger numbers:

    2008 - 3.25m
    2014 - 2.14m

    Explain this to me.The airport is being strangled forcing people to go elsewhere.

    http://www.independent.ie/business/more-than-a-million-fliers-bypass-120m-cork-airport-30975357.html


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    #177
    Jamie2k9
    Registered Users Posts: 10,667 ✭✭✭✭Jamie2k9


    Rhys Essien wrote: »
    Cork Airport passenger numbers:

    2008 - 3.25m
    2014 - 2.14m

    Explain this to me.The airport is being strangled forcing people to go elsewhere.

    http://www.independent.ie/business/more-than-a-million-fliers-bypass-120m-cork-airport-30975357.html

    Explain this at SNN

    2006 - 3.639
    2014 - 1.639

    SNN have not achieved a lot since becoming independent outside a little US growth...

    Going alone will not see airlines flock to Cork.

    As for using Dublin it is people's choice and dropping fees and adding Ryanair routes won't change this. My home is 1 hour from Cork however my family will drive just over 2 hours to Dublin all the time, they may consider Cork if going to the UK but that's it.


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    #178
    roundymac
    Registered Users Posts: 2,712 ✭✭✭roundymac


    Lads forget about 2006/2008 figures, they were off the scale, they are from another time zone, a time when ever one thought they were rich, in reality they were up to their necks in debt.


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    #179
    Jamie2k9
    Registered Users Posts: 10,667 ✭✭✭✭Jamie2k9


    roundymac wrote: »
    Lads forget about 2006/2008 figures, they were off the scale, they are from another time zone, a time when ever one thought they were rich, in reality they were up to their necks in debt.

    As were 2008 figures at Cork (there peak), airports were carrying unsustainable numbers during the boom and it will be a very long time before they are repeated.

    This year will see Cork traffic finish it's decline however it may even achieve small growth if Cityjet go well in the last few months.

    Another big loss to Cork is the holiday charter market is gone which Cork was heavily dependent on years ago and today those carriers are either gone or operating are using the cheaper choice of buying seats on scheduled services.

    All I am saying is going alone will not suddenly result in an up surge in traffic.


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    #180
    jacobwrench97
    Registered Users Posts: 27 ✭jacobwrench97


    It's a shame really reading this forum. Cork airport is in my opinion the best airport in Ireland.
    Last year I made sure that even though I live in Dublin, I took a flight to France for a French exchange from there.

    It seems to me that the only solution is to increase the traffic, as I heard that the airport closes at 10pm? (Someone correct me if I'm wrong)

    Anyway, more ryanair/air lingus flights should be created, and possibly a flight to a US locaton which Dublin Airport won't serve


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    #181
    Cosmo Kramer
    Registered Users Posts: 3,990 ✭✭✭Cosmo Kramer


    jacobwrench97 wrote: »
    It's a shame really reading this forum. Cork airport is in my opinion the best airport in Ireland.

    Based on what exactly? By almost any metric the best airport in Ireland is obviously Dublin.

    People need to get away from the 'put on the flights and the people will come' approach. By and large, if additional routes and frequencies were sustainable they'd be operating.

    Cork and Shannon airports are operating at about their levels at the moment. Shannons numbers are gerrymandered a bit by political input and the long term effects of a ridiculous historical bias towards that airport. Other than that, every now and then one will take a few routes from the other but they're one and the same really. Any claims of growth or dominance by either is really just positive spin with no real basis to back it up.


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