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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,456 ✭✭✭larrymiller


    Nettleman wrote: »
    My understanding after last years protests was that factories were not to differentiate between QA and non QA Base prices Base is base, and bonus are on top. Also-im not sure why someone has suggested here that QA is needed for UK swupermarkets-that's not true
    No they are still cutting around 20c a kg for non qa.
    I rang slaney didn't it.
    Another Offererd 4.06


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,422 ✭✭✭just do it


    Muckit wrote: »
    Why would you be bringing them home from the mart? When you bring cattle out to either the factory or the mart, you bring them out to sell them and that's what you have to do. Same as you have to bargain hard with the factory agent, you must not sell soft when you are in the sellers box at the mart. Know what you have and their value.

    It costs me less than 7euro/hd to blood test the few I sell. If I had numbers it would be less. I consider it money well spent. I wouldn't get the shade of the price I get in the mart in our local factory. The day you sell and the day you buy are two very important days in the drystock man's calendar.

    I've said this before Muckit, I feel my mart has turned into a buyer's mart and if you try and play hard the auctioneer ain't helping. Your animals out of the ring and the bidding has started on the next one in about 2 seconds. Your lucky as it seems from your reports your mart is a seller's mart. I know a few of my heifers I sold recently went to local abattoirs. There's a cost to be covered between the mart and slaughter and I can't see the abattoir happily covering it.

    Edit: saw your other post after posting and pretty much agrees with this. 'tis geography ted :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32 Someyolk


    Also there's a old neighbour of mine who keeps a few cattle and I help him out a small bit.
    He has a few hex heifers that look ready for the factory but he's non qa and only being offered 4.05 kg.
    which would probably worout around 900.
    What would the mart be like for these?
    Off topic I know but why sell heifers at such low weights this time of the year. Plenty of cheap weight to be gained from now till October/November.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,456 ✭✭✭larrymiller


    Someyolk wrote: »
    Off topic I know but why sell heifers at such low weights this time of the year. Plenty of cheap weight to be gained from now till October/November.

    Just an old neighbour looking for a few pound. He wouldn't be the most efficient.
    There 500-550 kg.
    he just says to me "shur them heifers are getting over fat" maybe he's right :)


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 607 ✭✭✭jack o shea


    Anyone sell store freisan bullocks on mart lately ?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,326 ✭✭✭Farmer Pudsey


    Anyone sell store freisan bullocks on mart lately ?

    How many have you and what weight and quality


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 607 ✭✭✭jack o shea


    was going to pick out the best 5 about 300 kg at a guess, nice shape for freisans.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,742 ✭✭✭CloughCasey1


    How many have you and what weight and quality

    Don't give him a penny more than 510 puds!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,326 ✭✭✭Farmer Pudsey


    was going to pick out the best 5 about 300 kg at a guess, nice shape for freisans.

    1.8-2.2/kg. At present for light cattle I think the tend to be 2kg. I would prefer a heavier bullock at 1.8/kg or less


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,326 ✭✭✭Farmer Pudsey


    Don't give him a penny more than 510 puds!!!

    I be hoping to pay less than that


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,742 ✭✭✭CloughCasey1


    I be hoping to pay less than that

    480 with bit of luck and you'll do fine.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,239 ✭✭✭Willfarman


    Seen a pair of very middle
    Of road friesians feb 14 400kg bring 930. Fffing nuts


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,324 ✭✭✭davidk1394


    What sorta money are butchers paying ? Have a nice AA heifers here


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,742 ✭✭✭CloughCasey1


    Willfarman wrote: »
    Seen a pair of very middle
    Of road friesians feb 14 400kg bring 930. Fffing nuts

    Thats crazy. Sold two nice fleshy tall ones in mart last july, feb 13 calves 400kg for 550. Lads were saying I did well to get it. Now they were value when nobody wantes b&w's. Same thing will happen next yr when there is another glut of dairy calves coming again. The poor FR is the first animal to lose value.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,090 ✭✭✭AP2014


    Willfarman wrote: »
    Seen a pair of very middle
    Of road friesians feb 14 400kg bring 930. Fffing nuts

    Jaysus maybe I should sell some CHX now instead of November. Be around 400kg mark


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,742 ✭✭✭CloughCasey1


    AP2014 wrote: »
    Jaysus maybe I should sell some CHX now instead of November. Be around 400kg mark

    November will be nuts entirely I think. No big demand until mid July for after grass would wait till then.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,239 ✭✭✭Willfarman


    It would look like the job is going to hold for a while. 400kg good to middle of road continentals now avg 1100 give or take. But should be 480kg by nov maybe more.. Potentially worth 1300 give or take. I'd hold out ap your on a winner I think.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,090 ✭✭✭AP2014


    November will be nuts entirely I think. No big demand until mid July for after grass would wait till then.

    Ya I have loads of grass, may get a bale or two of silage of a neighbour in November if it comes wet and try hold till mid November if they are still putting on weight. I struggled to bu them in the Spring and almost ended up with a load of aax. Sorry I didn't get a few more now, didn't want to get carried away and over pay.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,090 ✭✭✭AP2014


    Willfarman wrote: »
    It would look like the job is going to hold for a while. 400kg good to middle of road continentals now avg 1100 give or take. But should be 480kg by nov maybe more.. Potentially worth 1300 give or take. I'd hold out ap your on a winner I think.

    I would expect a few of my nice chx and lmx to be around 550kg in November at least. Saying that I have a fair few average ones as well. Cost me €800 so would be delighted with anything over a €1100.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,173 ✭✭✭✭Muckit


    AP2014 wrote: »
    Jaysus maybe I should sell some CHX now instead of November. Be around 400kg mark

    You could be better off. But there probably won't be much buyers for silage either this year.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,090 ✭✭✭AP2014


    Muckit wrote: »
    You could be better off. But there probably won't be much buyers for silage either this year.

    I have lads looking for 2nd cut off me, couple acres let up again. Might not be many buyers next winter. Hopefully I can buy a few bales back at cost price if I need them :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 651 ✭✭✭Nettleman


    Nettleman wrote: »
    that's exactly where my finished 2 year olds are going in next few weeks-factories from north are bidding hard ringside for finished cattle so going to give the agent the slip this time !!;)

    http://www.farmersjournal.ie/beef-quotes-continue-to-move-upwards-184192/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,742 ✭✭✭CloughCasey1


    Nettleman wrote: »

    Do ya reckon nothern factory agents will be bidding as hard in Oct/Nov


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 651 ✭✭✭Nettleman


    Do ya reckon nothern factory agents will be bidding as hard in Oct/Nov

    Two things working together are driving this- currency and cattle shortage. you need both, and if one is completely unpredictable like currency, the whole thing becomes unpredictable, but, imo, this will feed higher stores and weanings prices soon in the BMW regions-Puds?
    Northern farmers can now buy a drop calf or weaning for less in ROI than to costs them to rear one + keep his cow.
    Buy a truck of calves, cull your cows and sit back for two years. even with a huge 2017 price fall, when you buy cheap in euro, you might still turn a pound (literally) !


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,326 ✭✭✭Farmer Pudsey


    Nettleman wrote: »
    Two things working together are driving this- currency and cattle shortage. you need both, and if one is completely unpredictable like currency, the whole thing becomes unpredictable, but, imo, this will feed higher stores and weanings prices soon in the BMW regions-Puds?
    Northern farmers can now buy a drop calf or weaning for less in ROI than to costs them to rear one + keep his cow.
    Buy a truck of calves, cull your cows and sit back for two years. even with a huge 2017 price fall, when you buy cheap in euro, you might still turn a pound (literally) !

    Would not touch 2015 calves too dear and too many. These will be the lads that that will be crying in 20 months time when I go to buy them. Stores are nut at the moment those 400kg average Frx that Will say will struggle to leave a penny.

    Left 6 off today that nice JEx you all saywin the early turn out killed 335kgs :o wish I could buy one like him every couple weeks. I had him for short of 14 months. Killed my over 36 month AA and HEx. Again disappointed with the AA averaged only 0.6kgs while I had them I reckon, however for the 27 months prior to that I reckon they only averaged 350grams a day. The two WH were only a little better about 690 grams/day. I squeezed away a rig as well. Not too bad a day at the office. A few more like that this year and I be ok.

    However it will all depend on price of stores. I will be on the look out from now on.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,742 ✭✭✭CloughCasey1


    Would not touch 2015 calves too dear and too many. These will be the lads that that will be crying in 20 months time when I go to buy them. Stores are nut at the moment those 400kg average Frx that Will say will struggle to leave a penny.

    Left 6 off today that nice JEx you all saywin the early turn out killed 335kgs :o wish I could buy one like him every couple weeks. I had him for short of 14 months. Killed my over 36 month AA and HEx. Again disappointed with the AA averaged only 0.6kgs while I had them I reckon, however for the 27 months prior to that I reckon they only averaged 350grams a day. The two WH were only a little better about 690 grams/day. I squeezed away a rig as well. Not too bad a day at the office. A few more like that this year and I be ok.

    However it will all depend on price of stores. I will be on the look out from now on.

    The smarter I get at this farming lark the more I reckon fr and frx are the way to go. Buying them as yearlings around 350kg €550 in feb put them into a sheltered winterage and onto grass asap straw shed in nov until mid marchand fatten them the following end of july. Should kill out at worst 340kg @ €4 dw €1360


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,239 ✭✭✭Willfarman


    The smarter I get at this farming lark the more I reckon fr and frx are the way to go. Buying them as yearlings around 350kg €550 in feb put them into a sheltered winterage and onto grass asap straw shed in nov until mid marchand fatten them the following end of july. Should kill out at worst 340kg @ €4 dw €1360

    It wouldn't have bought them this feb but yes it's a rock solid system. I don't let em back to grass the second year at all, it only takes another half or 3 quarters of tonne of meal to kill em at 27 mths and avg 320 kg. advantages are a lot better turnover of stock. Nutrient rich slurry and dung to return to the land. And you use a lot less silage.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,033 ✭✭✭minktrapper


    What is the value of AA bull and heifer calves. 2 months old bucket fed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,742 ✭✭✭CloughCasey1


    Willfarman wrote: »
    It wouldn't have bought them this feb but yes it's a rock solid system. I don't let em back to grass the second year at all, it only takes another half or 3 quarters of tonne of meal to kill em at 27 mths and avg 320 kg. advantages are a lot better turnover of stock. Nutrient rich slurry and dung to return to the land. And you use a lot less silage.

    Too dear this Feb lads looking for 650-700.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,660 ✭✭✭Robson99


    The smarter I get at this farming lark the more I reckon fr and frx are the way to go. Buying them as yearlings around 350kg €550 in feb put them into a sheltered winterage and onto grass asap straw shed in nov until mid marchand fatten them the following end of july. Should kill out at worst 340kg @ €4 dw €1360

    I'd prefer to buy a 400kg continental heifer in Feb let her off to grass and kill following Jan. You should have 600 -700 gross profit and a lot quicker turnover


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