The 2015 All Ireland Senior Football Championship

Jayop · 29-06-2015 06:42PM

Boom__Boom wrote: »

The teams won't be remotely thinking about the next round and definitely won't be of the that the match is an irrelevance because of their next round opponents .

Galway were seriously cranky against Mayo (picked up a serious chunk of cards) in addition to the frees conceded and Armagh have a fairly well-established tradition of being a mite cantankerous. The fact that Galway committed 42 frees against Leitrim gives a massive insight into what Galway's approach is likely to be.

Both McGeeney and Walsh will be under a serious chunk of pressure if they got knocked out, and I could easily see that being reflected by their teams.

Galway and Mayo was a derby match, Armagh and Donegal was a derby match. They won't really be comparable.

How many of those fouls were technical fouls and simply rubbish tackling as opposed to being dirty and putting the ref under pressure?

closeline · 29-06-2015 07:19PM

Just re the Dubs. I really think these games are doing them no good whatsover.

Kildare and Longford have set up man to man, making it way to easy. If they played defensively Dublin would still win comfortably but at least they would have some bit of experience of breaking down teams with 12/13 men behind the ball.

Looking at the Derry/Donegal highlights. With all the men behind the ball. How will they Dubs react against that type of opposition. The Dubs need Wmeath to play men behind the ball. I'm not sure if they will though, if they don't it will be of no benefit to the Dubs at all.

Should the Dubs be more street wise and cuter? I certainly think so. Was there a need to get 5 goals yesterday? No way. Would Kerry have done the same, I don't think so. They would have tapped over a few handy points and let Kildare back into it. Dublin win so easy and with brilliant performances, they are raising expectations the whole time and increases the pressure.

Look at Kerry against Cork last year. Looked brilliant, yet they were average enough against Galway and it lowered the expectations some what.

2moreMinutes · 29-06-2015 07:20PM

Peist2007 wrote: »

Have you ever played an inter county match in Croke Park? Ever played one in Brewster Park or in Clones? Dont be getting annoyed about things you dont know anything about.

What has my inter-county career got to do with anything?

Nidgeweasel · 29-06-2015 07:27PM

Peist2007 wrote: »

The dubs got their tactics spectacularly wrong. That is why they lost. Sending your half back line marauding up the pitch is a sure fire way to lose to Donegal.

They believed their own bull**** and hype that they could just go and outgun teams. That's how they play, fair dues to them. Donegal play a different way and have more intelligent and natural footballers who picked them off with consummate ease. The game was over 2 minutes after the restart.

ColeTrain · 29-06-2015 07:29PM

closeline wrote: »

Just re the Dubs. I really think these games are doing them no good whatsover.

Kildare and Longford have set up man to man, making it way to easy. If they played defensively Dublin would still win comfortably but at least they would have some bit of experience of breaking down teams with 12/13 men behind the ball.

Looking at the Derry/Donegal highlights. With all the men behind the ball. How will they Dubs react against that type of opposition. The Dubs need Wmeath to play men behind the ball. I'm not sure if they will though, if they don't it will be of no benefit to the Dubs at all.

Should the Dubs be more street wise and cuter? I certainly think so. Was there a need to get 5 goals yesterday? No way. Would Kerry have done the same, I don't think so. They would have tapped over a few handy points and let Kildare back into it. Dublin win so easy and with brilliant performances, they are raising expectations the whole time and increases the pressure.

Look at Kerry against Cork last year. Looked brilliant, yet they were average enough against Galway and it lowered the expectations some what.

It's Championship football, you've got players playing for places. The starting 15 is going to want to impress to hang on their jersey and the subs coming on will be busting a gut to start the next day out e.g Brogan yesterday.

2moreMinutes · 29-06-2015 07:35PM

Nidgeweasel wrote: »

They believed their own bull**** and hype that they could just go and outgun teams. That's how they play, fair dues to them. Donegal play a different way and have more intelligent and natural footballers who picked them off with consummate ease. The game was over 2 minutes after the restart.

:popcorn:

salmocab · 29-06-2015 07:57PM

closeline wrote: »

Should the Dubs be more street wise and cuter? I certainly think so. Was there a need to get 5 goals yesterday? No way. Would Kerry have done the same, I don't think so. They would have tapped over a few handy points and let Kildare back into it. Dublin win so easy and with brilliant performances, they are raising expectations the whole time and increases the pressure.

Absolute nonsense, players are playing for their jerseys and have no responsibility to 'let' the opposition back into it. If Kerry or any one else were in the same position they would do the same. In fact if they had come off the gas and Kildare were back in it then people would be spouting nonsense about not playing for the full 70.

DoctaDee · 29-06-2015 07:58PM

Nidgeweasel wrote: »

..........Donegal play a different way and have more intelligent and natural footballers ........

Your concept of a natural footballer differs vastly from mine so .. and I don't think you have to be a Dublin supporter to appreciate that fact

Jayop · 29-06-2015 08:11PM

DoctaDee wrote: »

Your concept of a natural footballer differs vastly from mine so .. and I don't think you have to be a Dublin supporter to appreciate that fact

To be fair, Donegal have some supremely talented footballers. Players all over the field who can catch, solo, kick scores and tackle. The problem with his point was that he stated they have more of those than Dublin which is patently not the case. Dublin could probably get to an All Ireland final without their first 15 players. They have more strength in depth than any other county in Ireland and the subs are all amazingly natural footballers.

davidfitz22 · 29-06-2015 08:29PM

Jayop wrote: »

To be fair, Donegal have some supremely talented footballers. Players all over the field who can catch, solo, kick scores and tackle. The problem with his point was that he stated they have more of those than Dublin which is patently not the case. Dublin could probably get to an All Ireland final without their first 15 players. They have more strength in depth than any other county in Ireland and the subs are all amazingly natural footballers.

If they improve their defensive game (which it looks like they are working on) they cannot be matched. They will want to play us this year and erase what happened last year. This is the game everyone wants to see again. We are the only team other than kerry who can beat them and hopefully we will again

Jayop · 29-06-2015 08:31PM

Aye most likely it's between the three of you. I'd love to say Mayo could put it up to them but the fact is that unless the game was held in Castlebar it won't happen.

ColeTrain · 29-06-2015 08:46PM

Jayop wrote: »

Aye most likely it's between the three of you. I'd love to say Mayo could put it up to them but the fact is that unless the game was held in Castlebar it won't happen.

If we go man to man we will get done. We are leaking far too many goals and that needs to be addressed.

It will be interesting to see if Connelly/Holmes put something different in place against Sligo.

Nidgeweasel · 29-06-2015 08:52PM

DoctaDee wrote: »

Your concept of a natural footballer differs vastly from mine so .. and I don't think you have to be a Dublin supporter to appreciate that fact

Neil Gallagher is a natural footballer.

Michael Darragh is not.

We've got intelligent natural footballers from 1-15. Dublin don't. It's why I consistently thought that Donegal would win last year. Shouldn't have perhaps said 'more' given the riches the Dubs have in reserve.

Jayop · 29-06-2015 09:02PM

ColeTrain wrote: »

If we go man to man we will get done. We are leaking far too many goals and that needs to be addressed.

It will be interesting to see if Connelly/Holmes put something different in place against Sligo.

I would have went to the Sligo Mayo game in Castlebar but I'm f'ed if I'm going to traipse to the Hyde for it.

Will be interesting for sure. I'd say Sligo will have to come up with something completely different for the Mayo game as they wont be able to use the same tricks again.

salmocab · 29-06-2015 09:13PM

Nidgeweasel wrote: »

. It's why consistently that Donegal would win last year.

what does this mean?

Slattsy · 29-06-2015 09:20PM

DoctaDee wrote: »

Your concept of a natural footballer differs vastly from mine so .. and I don't think you have to be a Dublin supporter to appreciate that fact

He's trolling surely.
Or drunk.

Slattsy · 29-06-2015 09:22PM

salmocab wrote: »

what does this mean?

Drunk it is.

Nidgeweasel · 29-06-2015 09:36PM

salmocab wrote: »

what does this mean?

Edited, apologies.

And sober fwiw.

Slattsy · 29-06-2015 09:40PM

Nidgeweasel wrote: »

Edited, apologies.

And sober fwiw.

:P

seligehgit · 29-06-2015 09:44PM

ColeTrain wrote: »

If we go man to man we will get done. We are leaking far too many goals and that needs to be addressed.

It will be interesting to see if Connelly/Holmes put something different in place against Sligo.

Yeah if we do happen to reach the semi final and attempt to go toe to toe with Dublin it will be suicide.A repeat of the league game result in Castlebar will be on the cards.We will have to learn to incorporate a more defensive system ala Donegal if we are to succeed.

Not convinced after 4 years on the road and our new management that any such plans exist or lessons have been learned.

MICKEYG · 29-06-2015 09:44PM

Folks, its a cup competition so there will always be games where the better team loses.
If the main compettion was a league (maybe two divisions of 16) and given the higher priority it is hard to see how Dublin would not win by a lot of points.
But the all Ireland is a knockout tournament where one off day can see you gone. It is a great achievement to win it but it does not necessarily mean you are the best team that year.

ColeTrain · 29-06-2015 09:55PM

seligehgit wrote: »

Yeah if we do happen to reach the semi final and attempt to go toe to toe with Dublin it will be suicide.A repeat of the league game result in Castlebar will be on the cards.We will have to learn to incorporate a more defensive system ala Donegal if we are to succeed.

Not convinced after 4 years on the road and our new management that any such plans exist or lessons have been learned.

If we do get past Sligo and then progress into the Semi-Final's against the Dubs, surely we couldn't be that naive like we were in the league.

I wouldn't be calling for 15 men behind the ball but there needs to be a sweeper put in place. If that means starting Kev McLoughlin wing back and giving the job to Lee Keegan then so be it. Keegan would have the engine for it. Personally, I'd start Higgins half foward and bring Cafferkey into corner back, then let Higgin's be the extra defender. He has the pace and aggression to do it, not to mention he could burst forward on the break.

Someone was saying on the Mayo GAA Blog that we won't put this into place against Sligo as to not 'to show our hand'. That might very well be the case. We will see on the 19th...

DoctaDee · 29-06-2015 10:16PM

MICKEYG wrote: »

Folks, its a cup competition so there will always be games where the better team loses.
If the main compettion was a league (maybe two divisions of 16) and given the higher priority it is hard to see how Dublin would not win by a lot of points.
But the all Ireland is a knockout tournament where one off day can see you gone. It is a great achievement to win it but it does not necessarily mean you are the best team that year.

Hand on heart we were the 2nd best team for all but 10 minutes in 2011 .. but what a 10 minutes

closeline · 29-06-2015 10:18PM

ColeTrain wrote: »

It's Championship football, you've got players playing for places. The starting 15 is going to want to impress to hang on their jersey and the subs coming on will be busting a gut to start the next day out e.g Brogan yesterday.

Yes I understand that. That seems to be one factor. But I wonder, like Kilkenny with Ger Alyward etc, is the Dublin team going to be picked on performances in tight A vs B games rather than handy Leinster championship games.

Dyr · 29-06-2015 10:23PM

Nidgeweasel wrote: »

Neil Gallagher is a natural footballer.

Michael Darragh is not.

.

Someone should tell him, he was kick passing to blue shirts all day on Sunday completely unaware how unnatural it was for him

Poor gallagher might not even remember what a kick pass is

Fr Tod Umptious · 29-06-2015 11:18PM

An Ciarraioch wrote: »

An interesting point on the Munster Final is that the losers will play the Leinster champions if they win their last-12 tie. One might see Kerry possibly beating Dublin in September, but not with off-peak fitness, so for once the provincial title effectively becomes an eliminator.

You are correct that the provincial title effectively becomes an eliminator, but it's not 'for once', it has been happening for the past 5 seasons.

Since 2011 only one non provincial champ has made it to the SF, and that was when Tyrone beat Monaghan in 2013, and to be honest Monaghans lack of, and Sean Cavanagh's abundance in, big game experience counted in that defeat.

Since 2011 one team in each province has been dominant, Dublin (4 out 4 in Leinster), Mayo (4 out of 4 in Connacht), Kerry (3 out of 4 in Munster) and Donegal (3 out of 4 in Ulster)
All four have played in 2 All Irelands, and 3 have won it.

So the last thing that any of the above 4 wants to happen is to meet one of the other 3 at the QF stage.

Kerry lost to Cork in 2012 and lost to Donegal in the QF, Cork on the other had had the luxury of playing Kildare.
Donegal lost to Monaghan in 2013 and lost to Mayo in the QF, they may have fared better v Tyrone if they had proper time to recover by winning Ulster.
Cork lost 3 Munster tiles since 2011 and have not got past the QF stage

The notion that the provincial championship has lost value since the qualifiers is no longer true, IMO it has actually gained value.

Well prepared, well coached teams like the 4 mentioned above, value the certainty that progression through the provincial championship brings.

STB. · 29-06-2015 11:26PM

Nidgeweasel wrote: »

They believed their own bull**** and hype that they could just go and outgun teams. That's how they play, fair dues to them. Donegal play a different way and have more intelligent and natural footballers who picked them off with consummate ease. The game was over 2 minutes after the restart.

Thats fighting talk.....

Yesterdays men, hang on to today.

Nidgeweasel wrote: »

Neil Gallagher is a natural footballer.

Michael Darragh is not.

We've got intelligent natural footballers from 1-15. Dublin don't. It's why I consistently thought that Donegal would win last year. Shouldn't have perhaps said 'more' given the riches the Dubs have in reserve.

Amazing claims for a team that only won 3 games in the league this year. Stop the lights.

Just An Opinion · 29-06-2015 11:57PM

Nidgeweasel wrote: »

Neil Gallagher is a natural footballer.

Michael Darragh is not.

We've got intelligent natural footballers from 1-15. Dublin don't. It's why I consistently thought that Donegal would win last year. Shouldn't have perhaps said 'more' given the riches the Dubs have in reserve.

Michael Darragh MacAuley - Footballer Of The Year 2013 says hello!

Stoner · 30-06-2015 01:15AM

Nidgeweasel wrote:

We've got intelligent natural footballers from 1-15. Dublin don't. It's why I consistently thought that Donegal would win last year. Shouldn't have perhaps said 'more' given the riches the Dubs have in reserve.

You don't Nidgeweasel. If you had you'd have more medals. If you had all those natural intelligent players you wouldn't have a team that had to develop the system you used to win the all Ireland in 2012 because you were getting beaten in Ulster all the time. If you had natural intelligent footballers from 1-15 you wouldn't have been so exhausted in 2013 that you had nothing left for a whole season and got completely taken apart by Mayo I 2013.
Kerry won four in a row with the same 15 players and a sub. They were natural intelligent players they didn't have to give so much in one year that they had nothing left for the following year.
You have a team with one super player and a handful of very good players. McGuniness won one all Ireland, he developed a system that most pundits recognise and have written about. If he had a natural intelligent player for every position 1-15 they would have beaten Kerry last year and Mayo the year before and Dublin four years ago. With a natural intelligent player in every position you wouldn't need to pull everyone behind the ball. You would have won more before McGuniness came on board.

Your claim is as arrogant and unbelievable as any of the BS and hype you have correctly pointed out has been written about Dublin in the past. Donegal were well worth their win last year, I don't like it when others try to belittle an all Ireland win either but I think you've gone ahead of yourself here. You are reading too much into the BS pushed by Brolly and the like. There is so much BS written about matches that McGuniness got right and so little written about the ones he gets wrong. Y

You can't be all things to all people.
A great system, the best manager, the best tactician, the best team, the best prepared, have an intelligent natural player in every position and only win one all Ireland in four or five years.

You left out dedicated, committed, disciplined all attributes that spring to mind when I think about donegal. Some of your players are intelligent and have a lot of natural ability. Some have average ability but all the lads are fully committed to the cause. You have an exceptional team, a team that has weaknesses that a system allows and compensates for like making defensive errors and limited scoring options.

After your well deserved a Ireland in 2012, the system that was used to win it was blamed by many for the flat year in 2013. The idea being that it takes so much to play to that system that it is unsustainable two years running.
Had you won the All Ireland with a natural intelligent player in every position you could have kicked on.
But you didn't. That is as much as a fact as Donegal were a better team than Dublin large year. That's what the results say and history will record.

Stoner · 30-06-2015 01:43AM

Nidgeweasel wrote:

We've got intelligent natural footballers from 1-15. Dublin don't. It's why I consistently thought that Donegal would win last year. Shouldn't have perhaps said 'more' given the riches the Dubs have in reserve.

You don't Nidgeweasel. If you had you'd have more medals. If you had all those natural intelligent players you wouldn't have a team that had to develop the system you used to win the all Ireland in 2012 because you were getting beaten in Ulster all the time. If you had natural intelligent footballers from 1-15 you wouldn't have been so exhausted in 2013 that you had nothing left for a whole season and got completely taken apart by Mayo I 2013.
Kerry won four in a row with the same 15 players and a sub. They were natural intelligent players they didn't have to give so much in one year that they had nothing left for the following year.
You have a team with one super player and a handful of very good players. McGuniness won one all Ireland, he developed a system that most pundits recognise and have written about. If he had a natural intelligent player for every position 1-15 they would have beaten Kerry last year and Mayo the year before and Dublin four years ago. With a natural intelligent player in every position you wouldn't need to pull everyone behind the ball. You would have won more before McGuniness came on board.

Your claim is as arrogant and unbelievable as any of the BS and hype you have correctly pointed out has been written about Dublin in the past. Donegal were well worth their win last year, I don't like it when others try to belittle an all Ireland win either but I think you've gone ahead of yourself here. You are reading too much into the BS pushed by Brolly and the like. There is so much BS written about matches that McGuniness got right and so little written about the ones he gets wrong. Y

You can't be all things to all people.
A great system, the best manager, the best tactician, the best team, the best prepared, have an intelligent natural player in every position and only win one all Ireland in four or five years.

You left out dedicated, committed, disciplined all attributes that spring to mind when I think about donegal. Some of your players are intelligent and have a lot of natural ability. Some have average ability but all the lads are fully committed to the cause. You have an exceptional team, a team that has weaknesses that a system allows and compensates for like making defensive errors and limited scoring options.

After your well deserved a Ireland in 2012, the system that was used to win it was blamed by many for the flat year in 2013. The idea being that it takes so much to play to that system that it is unsustainable two years running.
Had you won the All Ireland with a natural intelligent player in every position you could have kicked on.
But you didn't. That is as much as a fact as Donegal were a better team than Dublin large year. That's what the results say and history will record.

The 2015 All Ireland Senior Football Championship

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