Tunisian Hotel Attack

[Deleted User] wrote: »

In a literal sense yes, but it's usually through smug, snide sarcasm that the racism accusation gets thrown at people here for posting even sensible questions.

Example:
A: I feel we need to have control and discuss if more immigration is really going to be beneficial
B:" .... said every racist EVER!"

Person A would actually be having a discussion in your example. But they usually start by having a dig before the question e.g. "I think X, Y and Z but some pinko will call me a racist". There's no issue with a debate but if you fear you'll be called a racist, chances are you know you're close to a line

Deleted User wrote: »

That was a sectarian and self contained conflict. I don't remember anything comparable to going around shooting sitting duck tourists on sunbeds.

the provos took their campaign to the uk and the continent, i remember australian tourists being shot dead in holland outside a cafe

Carnacalla wrote: »

The problem we have is that we are a very well off country, with high wages, therefore are very attractive to the rest of the world. Because our government are too busy scratching their arses, we cannot deal with that, we are now subsidizing countless Eastern Europeans and others to build houses and have a good quality of life at home. Do we really need to start doing the same with "poor" ethopians who managed to buy an expensive plane ticket?

By subsidising I assume you mean private companies paying them a wage? I doubt many could afford to build a house and a nestegg back home and live day to day with social welfare

Most of the Muslim community, world wide and the ones living in your street, hate you, the mere sight of you sickens them.

The fact that we might go to a Muslim country and lie on a beach, or drink a beer, sickens them.

Last year a Pakistani man smashed open his daughters skull with a brick, outside the main courthouse in Islamabad because she did not like the husband he had picked out for her.
This is who they are, so you can imagine how they feel when they see us doing what we want. You see stuff like this all the time, even in Birmingham in the UK, honor killings happen, they move there for a better life, but can't let the teachings of the Quran go.

The Quran tells them to convert us, or to kill us, and that is the problem...

satguy wrote: »

Most of the Muslim community, world wide and the ones living in your street, hate you, the mere sight of you sickens them.

The fact that we might go to a Muslim country and lie on a beach, or drink a beer, sickens them.

Last year a Pakistani man smashed open his daughters skull with a brick, outside the main courthouse in Islamabad because she did not like the husband he had picked out for her.

This is who they are, so you can imagine how they feel when they see us doing what we want. You see stuff like this all the time, even in Birmingham in the UK, honor killings happen, they move there for a better life, but can't let the teachings of the Quran go.

The Quran tells them to convert us, or to kill us, and that is the problem...

I've just learned that I have a passing accquaintance with one of the Irish victims,just the ocasional Nod or Howya,but it is sobering in the extreme when the barbarity of religious fanatiscism brushes your very person.

Not in a million years would this man be a threat to Islam,which is most likely the same for ALL of the victims,however this well educated young Moslem took a decision to follow an interpretation of the Prophet's teachings which turned him into little more than a butcher.

THAT decision,taken by a sensible,educated young Muslim man is the real threat,not alone to the Unbelivers,Kuffirs,call us what you will,but most certainly to those billions of "Ordinary" Muslims,who in short order will find themselves becoming cannon-fodder for what are essentially power hungry lunatics.

The Islamic Lunatic fringe can see,only too clearly,how a potentially expanding Tunisian Tourist Industry,capable of providing a higher standard of living and income for it's citizens is THE greatest threat to their 14th Century worldview,based largely upon death,misery,destruction and the denial of reality.

The "West" for sure bears a very real burden of responsibility,for past and ongoing mistakes in allowing such wild-eyed extremism to become accepted as "Normal" Islamic carry on,but by far and away the greatest responsibility lies within modern Islam itself,a responsibility which if left unattended,will eventually lead to the Self Destruction of the entire belief structure.

If a reasonable Moslem person stands back,and surveys the shattered Irish remains of what once was a Worldwide standard bearer for devout Catholic Beliefs,they will get some sense of what Islam will resemble in 50 years if it's own wild-eyed lunatics are not confronted and faced down out in the open.

At the end of the day,this process HAS to be an Internal Islamic one.

No Western non-Muslim country can hope to play an active role in this self-assessment process,all they can do is stand back and allow Islam it's own space to cleanse itself of what IS devouring it from within.

I note that satguy has been yellow carded for his contribution,however the uncomfortable reality of a belief structure based upon the destruction of non-believers remains towering over the entire debate.

One of the clearer reactions to this has come from a rather unlikely source,quoted in todays Independent...

http://www.independent.ie/opinion/comment/this-is-act-of-mass-murder-by-an-offbeam-death-cult-driven-by-hatred-31335163.html

As the identity of the tourists murdered among the sun beds and beach balls as they rested on holiday becomes known, so will the call for military action to obliterate the physical manifestation of the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant increase. Instead we should wake up and recognise this not as an act of war - but as mass murder by an off-beam religious cult which is in our midst.

Remember always, it is a mass murder scene, not a warzone. Had the world, led by the US, kept its head after 9/11, and treated Ground Zero as a huge crime scene instead of blundering into a "war on terror", I believe the scenes we are witnessing around the world now would not be happening.

I am not blaming the West or the US for the crimes. That is the logic of the death cult. What I do believe is that our collective over-reaction - including the invasion of Iraq - has provided fertile ground for the death cult to flourish.

This,coming from an ex SAS Officer,directly involved in past Western military escapades in Islamic countries,is a message worth taking on board and considering in some detail...however,the question remains as to whether Western leaders have the required strengths to do this.

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Just an observation, but in all the pictures of the rescue and even the pic of the killer, there were hordes of Tunisian MEN around the place, hundreds of them, but I didn't notice any women apart from at the hospital.

The men seem to have nothing to do. The women are hidden away. And this is in a so called post revolutionary democracy.

They will never change.

Who are they? Pray tell.

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Just an observation, but in all the pictures of the rescue and even the pic of the killer, there were hordes of Tunisian MEN around the place, hundreds of them, but I didn't notice any women apart from at the hospital.

The men seem to have nothing to do. The women are hidden away. And this is in a so called post revolutionary democracy.

They will never change.

When I was last over there the women were in universities, working in shops and hotels, and I'm sure that only got better after the uprising.
I have a lot of friends there who are heartbroken, horrified and ashamed at what happened.
It's tragic what happened, and especially in such a beautiful country and loving people.
As for being scared around the men ? I'd be more scared going round Ireland, UK or any other place, especially Italy hell my butt was black and blue from the pinches ! Like another poster said simply show your hand that your married or a firm no.
But as people have said on news reports the locals pleaded for him to stop and builders tried to stop him, that's because most are loving peaceful people, please don't keep thinking they aren't.
My sympathy to all affected by this tragedy.

Stinicker wrote: »

I think people really need to reevaluate their travel plans this summer. The Canary Islands lie only 60 miles off the coast of Morocco and Western Sahara, Fuerteventura and Lanzarote are I think at a critically high risk of attack from ISIS. Western Sahara is a failed state and Morocco a hotbed of Islamic extremism. It will not be long before you see ISIS militants coming across from North Africa on speedboats (its only 60 miles of water).

These sick twisted individuals would be on a suicide mission where they are greeted by 72 virigns. Western tourists on the beaches of Lanzarote and Fueteventura would be sitting ducks, two or three speedboats with a few dozen heavily armed ISIS militants could kill hundreds (possibly over a thousand) people in the Canary Islands before the Spanish authorities even got a chance to respond.

My prediction is that ISIS will launch an assault on the Spanish Canaries and some of the resorts in Turkey will be hit also. I'm sure the Spanish will be increasing patrols and they would want to really tighten maritime security. Turkey is a different matter and I think its not a matter of if but when before we see a massacre in Turkey.

You could be right as in a lot of news sites I've read they are wanting to try to get back to Spain and reclaim it again, a five year plan I think they had for it.