Tunisian Hotel Attack

Memnoch · 27-06-2015 11:02PM

genericguy wrote: »

Roll your eyes all you like. Hitler did what he did without a legitimate reason. These filthy pieces of **** want people dead for embracing cultural diversity and tolerance. Burn them at the ****ing stake and let them taste their own medicine, using their poxy book as kindling.
Sub human scum. **** off somewhere else with your agenda.

I don't understand what Hitler has to do with any of this. You're saying he did not have a legitimate reason but these terrorists do? I'm confused by what your trying to say as well as by your proposed solution. Please elaborate.

bb1234567 · 27-06-2015 11:04PM

genericguy wrote: »

Perfect post. I appreciate that not every single one of then is an evil woman hating scumbag with a decapitation fetish. Muslims at large concern me though with their general refusal to condemn this type of carry on. Take that mongo that runs the place in clonskeagh with his "this is what you get" shoulder shrugging in response to the Charlie hebdo attacks - this is a bloke that ****es on at every opportunity about islam being a peaceful and beautiful thing. anyone turning up to his sermons every day/week/rammadan needs to take a long, hard look at themselves.

Not every single one, but the majority of them are. People say its tarring them with the same brush but really, if most of them weren't misogynistic, homophobic , racist and crazy religious then change would have come about by now. People wouldn't be happy with the way their sh!thole societies are working at present. But theres no protests , no nothing, the vast majority of muslims seem to have no problem with their medieval lifestyles. And if they do have a problem with it then theyre keeping awful quiet about it!

Fleawuss · 27-06-2015 11:05PM

There is no point denying the reality that ISIS or Daesh or whatever their name is are rooted in religion. The killing was of "infidels" in Tunisia and "rejectionists" in Kuwait. Their "God", their "holy book" has given them orders that this is correct. The only long term solution is education and reason. If you look at the religious wars in Europe in the 17th century the signs might be that it will take centuries for the societies trapped in Islam to mature. But the problem is will they get nuclear weapons before that. There is a terribly dangerous era ahead and it will need great unity in the West and great leadership to manage the madness that has been let loose.

nokia69 · 27-06-2015 11:08PM

Fleawuss wrote: »

There is no point denying the reality that ISIS or Daesh or whatever their name is are rooted in religion. The killing was of "infidels" in Tunisia and "rejectionists" in Kuwait. Their "God", their "holy book" has given them orders that this is correct. The only long term solution is education and reason. If you look at the religious wars in Europe in the 17th century the signs might be that it will take centuries for the societies trapped in Islam to mature. But the problem is will they get nuclear weapons before that. There is a terribly dangerous era ahead and it will need great unity in the West and great leadership to manage the madness that has been let loose.

the leaders in the west are in the saudis pockets

it crazy to think that Putins middle east foreign policy makes far more sense than the wests

dark dark days ahead :mad:

Streetwalker · 27-06-2015 11:22PM

Some shameful BS in here. Some of you need to stick your heads outside for some air.

frostyjacks · 27-06-2015 11:24PM

We need to find some tribal leaders in each of the regions over there, arm them to the teeth with guns and ammunition and let them loose against ISIS. Tell them they can keep whatever spoils of war they gain, so long as they remain loyal. It takes a wolf to attack a wolf. The west just don't have the strength to do what needs to be done against these guys.

Memnoch · 27-06-2015 11:40PM

frostyjacks wrote: »

We need to find some tribal leaders in each of the regions over there, arm them to the teeth with guns and ammunition and let them loose against ISIS. Tell them they can keep whatever spoils of war they gain, so long as they remain loyal. It takes a wolf to attack a wolf. The west just don't have the strength to do what needs to be done against these guys.

This genius plan was used to create the Taliban to fight the Russians in Iran. It also worked brilliantly when Saddam Hussain was installed as dictator in Iraq. But you're right arming local warlords is exactly the way to go. Because these people aren't in any way unstable or unpredictable and can be relied on being downright neighbourly once they get in power. Nor will their rule create any resentment in the local population against those who helped them get into power in the first place.

frostyjacks · 27-06-2015 11:50PM

Memnoch wrote: »

This genius plan was used to create the Taliban to fight the Russians in Iran. It also worked brilliantly when Saddam Hussain was installed as dictator in Iraq. But you're right arming local warlords is exactly the way to go. Because these people aren't in any way unstable or unpredictable and can be relied on being downright neighbourly once they get in power. Nor will their rule create any resentment in the local population against those who helped them get into power in the first place.

I think it was Afghanistan that the west armed the tribes. But it shows that our best bet to eliminate the threat is to outsource our rage to the locals. Let the animals look after the animals. Once ISIS have been taken care of we can set up some puppet governments and bring some semblance of peace back to the regions.

genericguy · 27-06-2015 11:53PM

Memnoch wrote: »

I don't understand what Hitler has to do with any of this. You're saying he did not have a legitimate reason but these terrorists do? I'm confused by what your trying to say as well as by your proposed solution. Please elaborate.

Someone compared me with hitler hence the response

JustTheOne · 27-06-2015 11:53PM

Animals.

fr336 · 27-06-2015 11:54PM

Bastards.

Memnoch · 28-06-2015 12:04AM

frostyjacks wrote: »

I think it was Afghanistan that the west armed the tribes. But it shows that our best bet to eliminate the threat is to outsource our rage to the locals. Let the animals look after the animals. Once ISIS have been taken care of we can set up some puppet governments and bring some semblance of peace back to the regions.

Yes, sorry, Afghanasthan.

All I can say is that the kind of thinking and mentality displayed in your posts is exactly the kind of thinking that if born in one of these countries would be fighting for Isis right now.

Spanish Eyes · 28-06-2015 12:07AM

Any statement from the EU about this? Maybe it's the Commission, but not sure what outfit should comment. Bottom line is, no one from the EU has made a statement yet AFAIS.

That is unreal. So the EU is telling us to take a quota of people from wherever, no background checks, as if they could anyway. And zero comment on this awful atrocity that has resulted in the deaths of many EU citizens including our own.

Am I wrong in thinking that this is not right.

But they probably don't work over the weekend, no matter how awful things are.

jimgoose · 28-06-2015 12:09AM

How much more of this kind of nonsense has to go on before First Recon head over to skin a few of the fcukers alive?

JustTheOne · 28-06-2015 12:22AM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Any statement from the EU about this? Maybe it's the Commission, but not sure what outfit should comment. Bottom line is, no one from the EU has made a statement yet AFAIS.

That is unreal. So the EU is telling us to take a quota of people from wherever, no background checks, as if they could anyway. And zero comment on this awful atrocity that has resulted in the deaths of many EU citizens including our own.

Am I wrong in thinking that this is not right.

But they probably don't work over the weekend, no matter how awful things are.

Highest birth rate of non nationals in Europe the last year

Ah sure aren't we a great little country altogether

No I'm not.

FalconGirl · 28-06-2015 12:53AM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Any statement from the EU about this? Maybe it's the Commission, but not sure what outfit should comment. Bottom line is, no one from the EU has made a statement yet AFAIS.

That is unreal. So the EU is telling us to take a quota of people from wherever, no background checks, as if they could anyway. And zero comment on this awful atrocity that has resulted in the deaths of many EU citizens including our own.

Am I wrong in thinking that this is not right.

But they probably don't work over the weekend, no matter how awful things are.

All eyes on Greece and what they owe. Terrorism not a priority at the minute....... Sadly enough. The more everyday passes the less faith I have in people running the E.U.

Also, the more these attacks are happening, the more sceptical people are becoming towards Islam. If I'm honest I'm beginning to become less tolerant towards Islamic Idelogy. I'd like to live in harmony alongside these people and help them integrate into western society and build relationships but many don't want that.

darkpagandeath · 28-06-2015 12:56AM

Why has this got so little News coverage on the national broadcaster ?

Tony EH · 28-06-2015 01:23AM

jimgoose wrote: »

How much more of this kind of nonsense has to go on before First Recon head over to skin a few of the fcukers alive?

Exactly who do they "skin"?

That's the "beauty" of a terrorist organisation. They are very difficult to define and it's next to impossible to be absolutely sure who is a member and who isn't.

The Germans, in the Second World War, had a monumental headache trying to deal with partisan organisations in Russia, so much so that they resorted to all sorts of extreme measures, akin (although not exactly) to what you're suggesting. Their actions, by and large, just led to increasing the numbers and types of resistance movements they had to end up dealing with.

The point is if "First Recon head over to skin a few of the fcukers alive", the end result will more ISIS, not less.

JCX BXC · 28-06-2015 01:49AM

I can't believe we are comparing brainwashed Muslim extremists to Hitler. At least Hitler's vision of an Ideal world wasn't totally bonkers. He had some sense of goodness.

Nazis and Isis militants are so different and from completely different eras.

Back on the topic of Islamic state, how do you stop them without killing several thousand innocent civilians. People who live the Muslim religion like its intended. Love, Family etc. These I.S leaders are well hidden in highly populated areas, such as we see in Palestine. Bombings/Nukes are a no-go. Military invasion, again that will kill alot as these extremists will destroy everything in there wake. They will bomb the place to a Hiroshima type style. Plus how do you tell civilian from terrorist?

In my opinion, the US and EU should join together in an extensive and expensive intelligence operation to try keep I.S at bay or even retreated until they are weak and useless. Allow no attacks in the civilized world and share intelligence with Muslim countries who want to develope eg. Tunisia, Turkey etc. The US are good at listening into Europe affairs, inc. through data theft and phone tapping. Why can't they hack into a few stupid Arabs phones?

JONJO THE MISER · 28-06-2015 02:02AM

Needs to be a shoot to kill policy by secruity forces on anyone on these islamic watch lists.

satguy · 28-06-2015 05:45AM

Then you get posters here saying, AH now hang on, it's only 1% of muslims that are jihadists and out to kill all westerners and that you can't paint them all with the same brush..

But if the other 99% stopped that tacit support that we all know is going on, the world might be a better place.

JONJO THE MISER · 28-06-2015 05:49AM

Only 14 pages of posts on this subject after 3 Irish people get murdered by this cancer that is islamic radicals.
Says it all really about forums around here, people wont speak out about this scourge for fear of being branded a racist or not respecting cultures.
People need to wake up, i bet these 3 Irish people that were murdered did not expect that radical islam would ever affect there lives, it will affect us all as this will trickle down to everyone eventually, we are at war simple as that and the left wing P.C crowd better wake up to this fact but of course they wont and just make excuses for this relgion of peace.

Thespoofer · 28-06-2015 06:09AM

JONJO THE MISER wrote: »

Only 14 pages of posts on this subject after 3 Irish people get murdered by this cancer that is islamic radicals.
Says it all really about forums around here, people wont speak out about this scourge for fear of being branded a racist or not respecting cultures.
People need to wake up, i bet these 3 Irish people that were murdered did not expect that radical islam would ever affect there lives, it will affect us all as this will trickle down to everyone eventually, we are at war simple as that and the left wing P.C crowd better wake up to this fact but of course they wont and just make excuses for this relgion of peace.

I don't know about people not speaking out, it's just what can people do ? At this moment in time I have little faith in my government and the EU to tackle this.

It comes down to protecting yourself and your family against any future threats, be it economic or physical.

frostyjacks · 28-06-2015 07:35AM

We're not dealing with partisans who are trying to repel an invading army, these are trained fighters who are prepared to kill anyone, anywhere at any time.

Not only is the west failing to act, we're actually rolling out the red carpet for them to send their people into the EU. They must be laughing at us.

Look at all the hand wringing in Britain the other week when those women took their kids to live in the Islamic State. It was pathetic, they were painting them out to be poor, misguided mothers. No one had the courage to call it for what it was.

Memnoch · 28-06-2015 07:40AM

Carnacalla wrote: »

I can't believe we are comparing brainwashed Muslim extremists to Hitler. At least Hitler's vision of an Ideal world wasn't totally bonkers. He had some sense of goodness.

Wow

Memnoch · 28-06-2015 07:46AM

satguy wrote: »

Then you get posters here saying, AH now hang on, it's only 1% of muslims that are jihadists and out to kill all westerners and that you can't paint them all with the same brush..

But if the other 99% stopped that tacit support that we all know is going on, the world might be a better place.

I wonder if on some Muslim forum there is similar discussion taking place and someone is making a similar argument. It's only a small percent that are invading Muslim countries, that are ethnically cleansing Palestinians, that are dropping bombs indiscriminately on innocent civilians and then claiming collateral damage, that are installing and supporting brutal and oppressive dictators, then invading to remove those dictators and destroying the entire countries infrastructure in the process so that their rich pals can make money from weapon sales and reconstruction contracts, that are arming tribal warlords, selling weapons to thugs in exchange for blood diamonds etc etc.

But if the other 99% stopped showing tacit support, that we all know is going on, and held these war criminals to account the world might be a better place.

elastico · 28-06-2015 08:03AM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Why has this got so little News coverage on the national broadcaster ?

Flags at half mast.

Books of condolences around the country.

Suspend the dail.

6 Garda outriders for the hearses

Featured on the couch with Miriam

Lots of special masses.

Minutes silence at all gaa games this weekend

Ministers calling it a national tragedy.

Garda salute at every roundabout.

frostyjacks · 28-06-2015 09:26AM

One of the victims was a 19 year old lad from Birmingham who played for the local GAA club over there.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jun/27/tunisia-beach-attack-the-victims

Collie D · 28-06-2015 09:39AM

JONJO THE MISER wrote: »

for fear of being branded a racist or not respecting cultures..

It's very rare anyone actually comes out and calls anyone a racist on here. The ones who fear it are the ones branding themselves it seems

fryup · 28-06-2015 09:48AM

JONJO THE MISER wrote: »

People need to wake up, i bet these 3 Irish people that were murdered did not expect that radical islam would ever affect there lives, it will affect us all as this will trickle down to everyone eventually, we are at war simple as that and the left wing P.C crowd better wake up to this fact but of course they wont and just make excuses for this religion of peace.

well in fairness are we in any position to be wagging the finger, considering we had three and half thousand people die on this island not so long ago during the troubles,

i bet during that time people from other countries thought we were religious fanatics as well

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