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Milk Price- Please read Mod note in post #1

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,493 ✭✭✭Greengrass1


    34.12c for may
    @ 4.13bf
    3.72 p
    Scc 95


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,506 ✭✭✭Dawggone


    OK so everyone paid dearly for their inheritance.
    Now moving on...I think the real question would be...How many dairy cows will it take in this new global market for me to provide the same standard of education and lifestyle that my parents gave me?

    What number of cows is considered small?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,728 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    34.12c for may
    @ 4.13bf
    3.72 p
    Scc 95

    Top of the class gg excellent solids and price
    30.938 c/ltr
    3.68 fat
    3.45 p
    Scc 70
    Some contrast to May 14
    39.894 c/ltr
    3.58 fat
    3.42 p


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,493 ✭✭✭Greengrass1


    mahoney_j wrote: »
    Top of the class gg excellent solids and price
    30.938 c/ltr
    3.68 fat
    3.45 p
    Scc 70
    Some contrast to May 14
    39.894 c/ltr
    3.58 fat
    3.42 p
    I won't look back at 14 I think we'll sickin ourselves.
    2.9c top up for us though


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,143 ✭✭✭RightTurnClyde


    mahoney_j wrote: »
    Top of the class gg excellent solids and price
    30.938 c/ltr
    3.68 fat
    3.45 p
    Scc 70
    Some contrast to May 14
    39.894 c/ltr
    3.58 fat
    3.42 p

    Ah jasus, don't be reminding us of last years prices like that.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,728 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    Ah jasus, don't be reminding us of last years prices like that.

    Hard not to ,shiny new statements
    This year from Arrabawn which also shows the equivelant month from last year


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,497 ✭✭✭rangler1


    Dawggone wrote: »
    OK so everyone paid dearly for their inheritance.
    Now moving on...I think the real question would be...How many dairy cows will it take in this new global market for me to provide the same standard of education and lifestyle that my parents gave me?

    What number of cows is considered small?

    I see dairy farmers now having to set up with the same as the sheep farmers/cattle farmers, we get one good year in about five, then everyone ploughs into sheep and it takes about four or five years to recover....prices wouldn't floor as quick with dairy. takes longer to increase but there's lots of young farmers still considering options to drystock.
    At the moment it's physically impossible to keep enough sheep to generate an decent income, so I don't see dairying being any different....and if it is different, there's plenty of decent farms out there to convert and eventually floor the price


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,282 ✭✭✭Deepsouthwest


    Your an honourable man, many wouldn't even consider it. I'd feel duty bound to do likewise

    I'm only thinking it about so far, haven't commuted a cent to it yet. I hope my sis doesn't read my posts as she might be v disappointed if she opens that toaster that I'm thinking of re-gifting her as an alternative!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,325 ✭✭✭orm0nd


    price 30.49
    b/f 3.63
    p 3.49

    scc 23 tbc 9

    average supplied /cow 1074 ltrs

    Arrabawn


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,493 ✭✭✭Greengrass1


    mahoney_j wrote: »
    Top of the class gg excellent solids and price
    30.938 c/ltr
    3.68 fat
    3.45 p
    Scc 70
    Some contrast to May 14
    39.894 c/ltr
    3.58 fat
    3.42 p


    41c last may


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,067 ✭✭✭stretch film


    kowtow wrote: »
    I suspect both of you are right.

    Efficiency is going to be a sine qua non for dairy survival in the near and medium term. Every acre should always count - one of the reasons that the Amish are consistently the most profitable farmers in the US.

    But there comes a point where the only way to make a 100 cow herd more efficient is to make it a 200 cow herd. Economies of scale really do make a big difference, It doesn't take me much less time to milk a dozen cows, wash down a yard, etc. than it takes my neighbour to milk a hundred - and I doubt he needs any more gloves, detergent or electricity than I do for the job!

    A figure I have always thought would be really interesting is tractor HP / hectare in Ireland and other EU countries. I have an inkling that we would be at the high end of the scale.

    We are all in the business of trying to make the most expensive farmland in the world, with disproportionate machinery costs, generate a very high basic wage which is itself barely enough to cover an outrageous cost of living. And we're trying to do this with a commodity product for which we are price takers.

    Reducing the variable cost per litre is critical , but milk sales per man are going to be an equally important factor. The fixed costs simply have to be spread across a wider base.

    :) A glib question no doubt but why are you not buying milk (@below true cop) from your neighbour and concentrating on adding the value with the cheese.
    Are you not diverting capital and effort into an unnecessary side of your business.
    Im stripping it down as you often do and discounting the fact that you enjoy the milk production side of things or may feel that the end product would be devalued by importing the base ingredient.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32 glanroy


    Strathroy back to 29.5 inc vat now. Would be better off with Glanbia now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,084 ✭✭✭kevthegaff


    mahoney_j wrote: »
    Well Kev did u have the brekkie yet,and did u figure out if your a big lad or a small lad!!!!😛😠
    Which ever one is in bigger trouble!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,278 ✭✭✭frazzledhome


    glanroy wrote: »
    Strathroy back to 29.5 inc vat now. Would be better off with Glanbia now.

    No need to panic yet. Can go back anytime.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,135 ✭✭✭kowtow


    :) A glib question no doubt but why are you not buying milk (@below true cop) from your neighbour and concentrating on adding the value with the cheese.
    Are you not diverting capital and effort into an unnecessary side of your business.
    Im stripping it down as you often do and discounting the fact that you enjoy the milk production side of things or may feel that the end product would be devalued by importing the base ingredient.

    If I were planning on making commodity cheese, or even high volume supermarket cheese, I would be absolutely of that opinion.

    But for premium, artisan cheese the milk production is, I think, as much a part of the story as the cheese making, and the story is a big part of the product. It is, I think at least, important for a certain type of product that a single set of hands goes from grass to cheese (obviously after washing at regular intervals :)).

    Not to mention the fact that there is a world of difference in milk taste (as seen in the final cheese) arising from cow diet, use of silage, even time of day of milking and time and treatment from cluster to cheese vat. This is all a part of the "terroir" which makes any artisan product unique and vitally important as a result. Commodity cheeses generally use process to wipe out these variations in ingredients (pasteurising, homogenising, fat normalisation etc.) whereas artisan producers prefer to make a feature of them.

    Which always leaves me pondering the question how much should I pay for my own milk? Clearly it is more inefficient and expensive to produce the raw material on farm, but what part of the value of the final cheese belongs to the method of production?

    Besides, if I didn't milk the cows myself I'd be depriving the area of a crucial source of entertainment.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,278 ✭✭✭frazzledhome


    34.12c for may
    @ 4.13bf
    3.72 p
    Scc 95

    Super solids, good job

    We got 33.9
    3.98 bf:(
    3.51 p


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,278 ✭✭✭frazzledhome


    Dawggone wrote: »
    OK so everyone paid dearly for their inheritance.
    Now moving on...I think the real question would be...How many dairy cows will it take in this new global market for me to provide the same standard of education and lifestyle that my parents gave me?

    What number of cows is considered small?

    Inheritance is dear and not to be dismissed as something insignificant. It's a real cost.

    In our figures 40 cows will pay a labour unit. That's 40 extra cows onto developed farm.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,135 ✭✭✭kowtow



    In our figures 40 cows will pay a labour unit. That's 40 extra cows onto developed farm.

    That's some ratio. Is that with or without an own land charge?

    If a system is attainable where 40 cows and 40 acres pay a living wage for a labour unit on a three year rolling average of milk prices I would say that was a great basis on which to build "family type" farms up block by block.

    What we are really saying here is that the advantage of the family farming model is the ability to "borrow" labour units on a non-cash basis and use the proceeds (savings) to invest in expanded production for future labour units.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 92 ✭✭solwhit12


    Dairygold base 28 cpl
    Fat 3.69
    P. 3.56
    Scc 144
    30.2 cpl


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,278 ✭✭✭frazzledhome


    kowtow wrote: »
    That's some ratio. Is that with or without an own land charge?

    If a system is attainable where 40 cows and 40 acres pay a living wage for a labour unit on a three year rolling average of milk prices I would say that was a great basis on which to build "family type" farms up block by block.

    What we are really saying here is that the advantage of the family farming model is the ability to "borrow" labour units on a non-cash basis and use the proceeds (savings) to invest in expanded production for future labour units.

    Land charge should be what you'd get on open market for leasing or should it?

    If so in this area €300/ acre. So 40 acres 50 cows at 5500 litres or 6875 litres per acre. That's a land charge of 4.3c/litre.

    Now would the land charge be a bit like the borrowed labour or like depreciation in that you add back to bottom line.

    Am I making sense?

    I really think to go big bang greenfield 120 cows minimum as parlour might aswell be a 16 as a 6 unit and tanks etc are easier built first day than extended. Water roads fencing etc can be extended.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 735 ✭✭✭Blackgrass


    kowtow wrote: »
    pay a living wage for a labour unit on a three year rolling average of milk prices

    On the topic of this, what is someones average 3 year milk cheque price per litre? (ball park even?) mid - early 30's?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,278 ✭✭✭frazzledhome


    Blackgrass wrote: »
    On the topic of this, what is someones average 3 year milk cheque price per litre? (ball park even?) mid - early 30's?

    34c

    That's a 40/29/34


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,422 ✭✭✭just do it


    34.12c for may
    @ 4.13bf
    3.72 p
    Scc 95

    Why are you dragging this off topic gg? :D

    Edit: great figures by the way


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,471 ✭✭✭Panch18


    34.12c for may
    @ 4.13bf
    3.72 p
    Scc 95
    Super solids, good job

    We got 33.9
    3.98 bf:(
    3.51 p

    both excellent solids lads

    but i would have expectedvthe gap in price to be bigger given the gap in solids?? Or am i wrong in thinking yer both glanbia?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,538 ✭✭✭trixi2011


    Just worked out our milk price in euros was surprised 24.5 p = 34.18 c


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,392 ✭✭✭✭Timmaay


    31.94 here (29.09 +2.85 coop bonus), 3.89 bf 3.47p. Seems a long way off your 33.9 frazz, considering your solids aren't much higher than mine?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,278 ✭✭✭frazzledhome


    Timmaay wrote: »
    31.94 here (29.09 +2.85 coop bonus), 3.89 bf 3.47p. Seems a long way off your 33.9 frazz, considering your solids aren't much higher than mine?

    Well spotted the solids there are for the young cows and heifers. The price is what we got per litre when combined. We supply from 2 farms so different tests but all money goes to one place. I averaged the money not the solids.

    The price for that milk at those solids is 32.9c/litre

    1c of a difference


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,170 ✭✭✭WheatenBriar


    Will that co op bonus be paid next month as well or is it just a once off ?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,170 ✭✭✭WheatenBriar


    trixi2011 wrote: »
    Just worked out our milk price in euros was surprised 24.5 p = 34.18 c

    That's not a real comparison for you though sterling is at its strongest for years relative to the Euro
    If you take a five year average stg versus Euro, you'd be on 28c a litre equivalent there


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,493 ✭✭✭Greengrass1


    34c

    That's a 40/29/34

    41.94 3 yr average


    42.92 for 2014
    45.20 for 2013
    37.7 for 2012
    highest price we ever got was 50.82/l for milk in Nov 2012

    High solids was our saviour in the bad yrs here


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