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8th Amendment

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  • #1202
    Kev W
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,536 ✭✭✭Kev W


    No Voter And Proud wrote: »
    So an abortion is viable and moral at 23 weeks to you guys?

    I can't speak for anyone else but as far as I know viability doesn't just "switch on" at a certain point in the pregnancy. It would have to be determined individually in those rare cases that an abortion would be requested at such a late stage.


  • #1203
    oscarBravo
    Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 28,859 Mod ✭✭✭✭oscarBravo


    No Voter And Proud wrote: »
    So an abortion is viable and moral at 23 weeks to you guys?

    Forcing a woman to be pregnant against her will is moral to you?


  • #1204
    pmasterson95
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,074 ✭✭✭pmasterson95


    oscarBravo wrote: »
    Forcing a woman to be pregnant against her will is moral to you?

    He has stated before its acceptable to save a baby. The woman looses her rights second she is pregnant.


  • #1205
    pmasterson95
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,074 ✭✭✭pmasterson95


    Atlantis50 wrote: »
    Nothing in those posts refers to using violence.

    Have you found the link yet to support your claim that the hospital where the clinically dead pregnant woman resided was picketed by pro-life groups or are you making things up? :rolleyes:

    Well I see reading comprehension really is a problem here. Or "here" since you like "inverted commas". Not making anything "up" but nice try <3.


  • #1206
    Atlantis50
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 519 ✭✭✭Atlantis50


    pmasterson95 wrote: »
    Well I see reading comprehension really is a problem here. Or "here" since you like "inverted commas". Not making anything "up" but nice try <3.

    So you were making it up then I take it?


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  • #1207
    Atlantis50
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 519 ✭✭✭Atlantis50


    oscarBravo wrote: »
    Do you understand the term?

    I do, but I won't be engaging with you or emmett02 on that specific issue anymore because you both have ignored my questions when selectively quoting my post.

    This is not a one-way type of debate where you get to ask all the questions.


  • #1208
    krankykitty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,518 ✭✭✭krankykitty


    No Voter And Proud wrote: »
    So an abortion is viable and moral at 23 weeks to you guys?

    Know the facts a tiny minority of abortions happen after 20 weeks and most if not all are due to health issues with the foetus or the mother. Not some woman who has gone through 23 weeks of pregnancy and suddenly decides oh screw this I can't be arsed with this pregnancy lark. These cases will always have a tragic story. Most will be women who desperately wanted their baby. But that doesn't fit with your loose woman rhetoric


  • #1209
    pmasterson95
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,074 ✭✭✭pmasterson95


    Atlantis50 wrote: »
    So you were making it up then I take it?

    No. Got anything to say about you ignoring where he advocates violence or are you going to keep misding that bit with your head buried in Atlantis?


  • #1210
    Atlantis50
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 519 ✭✭✭Atlantis50


    pmasterson95 wrote: »
    No. Got anything to say about you ignoring where he advocates violence or are you going to keep misding that bit with your head buried in Atlantis?

    If it were true, you'd have posted a link long ago.

    So now we know your MO is to fabricate things and exaggerate.

    If you prove your claim is true, I'll apologise.


  • #1211
    pmasterson95
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,074 ✭✭✭pmasterson95


    Atlantis50 wrote: »
    I do, but I won't be engaging with you or emmett02 on that specific issue anymore because you both have ignored my questions when selectively quoting my post.

    This is not a one-way type of debate where you get to ask all the questions.
    Well this confirms my previously mooted idea of keeping head buried in atlantis. When no rebuttal or prepapared speel is available and they arent buying your "answers" just flee and claim it never happened!


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  • #1212
    Atlantis50
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 519 ✭✭✭Atlantis50


    pmasterson95 wrote: »
    Well this confirms my previously mooted idea of keeping head buried in atlantis. When no rebuttal or prepapared speel is available and they arent buying your "answers" just flee and claim it never happened!

    Yeah yeah.

    You keep searching for that link to exonerate yourself as a liar.


  • #1213
    pmasterson95
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,074 ✭✭✭pmasterson95


    Atlantis50 wrote: »
    If it were true, you'd have posted a link long ago.

    So now we know your MO is to fabricate things and exaggerate.

    If you prove your claim is true, I'll apologise.
    No Voter advocating violence? Can you read that? Before I get a link it'd be good to know you are able to read it. Evidence displayed so far doesnt indicate much reading skill. Why waste my time showing something if you cannot read?


  • #1214
    Atlantis50
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 519 ✭✭✭Atlantis50


    pmasterson95 wrote: »
    No Voter advocating violence? Can you read that? Before I get a link it'd be good to know you are able to read it. Evidence displayed so far doesnt indicate much reading skill. Why waste my time showing something if you cannot read?

    Prove it or withdraw the claim.


  • #1215
    pmasterson95
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,074 ✭✭✭pmasterson95


    Atlantis50 wrote: »
    Yeah yeah.

    You keep searching for that link to exonerate yourself as a liar.

    You keep failing to answer Q1......


  • #1216
    Milana Sticky Klutz
    Posts: 24,798 ✭✭✭✭ Milana Sticky Klutz


    Atlantis50 wrote: »
    I do, but I won't be engaging with you or emmett02 on that specific issue anymore because you both have ignored my questions when selectively quoting my post.

    This is not a one-way type of debate where you get to ask all the questions.

    Interesting.

    You similarly ignored this direct question when I asked it previously, hypocritical perhaps?
    Atlantis50 wrote: »
    Amending the constitution has a much higher higher evidence threshold for "instances of incidents" compared to laws/legislation.
    Deleted User wrote: »
    Details of this threshold please?
    Atlantis50 wrote: »
    Basic evidence of a need for the change for a start.
    Deleted User wrote: »
    Which evidence of a need for a change was presented in the most recent constitutional change?

    I'll answer yours if you answer mine. Does that work for you?


  • #1217
    Atlantis50
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 519 ✭✭✭Atlantis50


    pmasterson95 wrote: »
    You keep failing to answer Q1......

    Still floundering with no proof to support your claim that the hospital where the clinically dead woman was staying was picketed by pro-life groups.


  • #1218
    pmasterson95
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,074 ✭✭✭pmasterson95


    Atlantis50 wrote: »
    Prove it or withdraw the claim.
    Yawn no answers coming about advocating violence. Good lad. I love special lil cherubs like you.


  • #1219
    pmasterson95
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,074 ✭✭✭pmasterson95


    Atlantis50 wrote: »
    Still floundering with no proof to support your claim that the hospital where the clinically dead woman was staying was picketed by pro-life groups.

    Still no answer to.....well anything really. Thats a special skill


  • #1220
    Atlantis50
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 519 ✭✭✭Atlantis50


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Interesting.

    You similarly ignored this direct question when I asked it previously, hypocritical perhaps?









    I'll answer yours if you answer mine. Does that work for you?

    The debate had moved on considerably by the time I rejoined commenting on this thread and I had no intention in trawling through all of the other pages looking for comments.

    How about addressing the issue at hand right now first?

    There's always the opportunity for outstanding issues to be then addressed.


  • #1221
    Atlantis50
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 519 ✭✭✭Atlantis50


    pmasterson95 wrote: »
    Still no answer to.....well anything really. Thats a special skill

    Couldn't find the link?

    Just admit you made it up and move on.


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  • #1222
    conorh91
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭conorh91


    oscarBravo wrote: »
    You introduced this straw man to the conversation...

    Should a woman have the right to not be pregnant, or is pregnancy a duty that overrides her fundamental right to bodily integrity? That's the question.

    You don't get to dictate the terms of the conversation.

    I began by discussing the case law in PP v HSE, which turned into a conversation on the Dublin declaration, which refers to the use of abortion where women are suicidal. My points are valid and frankly, if you don't want to discuss them, jog on and engage with someone else.


  • #1223
    pmasterson95
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,074 ✭✭✭pmasterson95


    Atlantis50 wrote: »
    Couldn't find the link?

    Just admit you made it up and move on.

    Can you still not read where the violence was clearly acceptable. I have told you (altho I guess you cannot read it) if you show you can read I will provide the link. Originally you asked me to provide post in the thread that you were incapable of finding and also finding an external link. I found the posts here but alas your literacy skills seemingly are not advanced enough to read it. Why would you give a blind person binoculars? Or a mute a megaphone? You have not and refuse to show any major reading abilities to suggest it is worthwhile to give you any reading material. It is not accepted to give a junior infant the likes of Shakespeare to read.

    Can you read and finish what you started and adress the advocating of violence?


  • #1224
    pmasterson95
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,074 ✭✭✭pmasterson95


    conorh91 wrote: »
    You don't get to dictate the terms of the conversation.

    I began by discussing the case law in PP v HSE, which turned into a conversation on the Dublin declaration, which refers to the use of abortion where women are suicidal. My points are valid and frankly, if you don't want to discuss them, jog on and engage with someone else.

    It starts: "You dont get to dictate the terms of the conversation."

    And ends "jog on and engage with someone else"


    kinda fits the anti choice quite well. No you cant do this. You do this.

    I dont think you have the right to dictate either lad! But you seem to think you do!


  • #1225
    Kev W
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,536 ✭✭✭Kev W


    pmasterson95 wrote: »
    Can you still not read where the violence was clearly acceptable. I have told you (altho I guess you cannot read it) if you show you can read I will provide the link. Originally you asked me to provide post in the thread that you were incapable of finding and also finding an external link. I found the posts here but alas your literacy skills seemingly are not advanced enough to read it. Why would you give a blind person binoculars? Or a mute a megaphone? You have not and refuse to show any major reading abilities to suggest it is worthwhile to give you any reading material. It is not accepted to give a junior infant the likes of Shakespeare to read.

    Can you read and finish what you started and adress the advocating of violence?

    We're on the same side here but you're really weakening your argument by refusing to post the link. Just do it and he'll be forced to either address your point or find another excuse not to.


  • #1226
    pmasterson95
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,074 ✭✭✭pmasterson95


    Kev W wrote: »
    We're on the same side here but you're really weakening your argument by refusing to post the link. Just do it and he'll be forced to either address your point or find another excuse not to.

    He hasnt even adressed the first thing he asked for yet. He was complaining about unanswered questions. Yet refuses to answer Q1.


  • #1227
    No Voter And Proud
    Closed Accounts Posts: 282 ✭✭No Voter And Proud


    Kev W wrote: »
    I can't speak for anyone else but as far as I know viability doesn't just "switch on" at a certain point in the pregnancy. It would have to be determined individually in those rare cases that an abortion would be requested at such a late stage.

    Statistically from 24 weeks on a baby is potentially viable to survive outside the womb.
    oscarBravo wrote: »
    Forcing a woman to be pregnant against her will is moral to you?

    Dodging the question? For shame.


  • #1228
    Kev W
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,536 ✭✭✭Kev W


    pmasterson95 wrote: »
    He hasnt even adressed the first thing he asked for yet. He was complaining about unanswered questions. Yet refuses to answer Q1.

    So be better than him. Post the link.


  • #1229
    Atlantis50
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 519 ✭✭✭Atlantis50


    pmasterson95 wrote: »
    Can you still not read where the violence was clearly acceptable. I have told you (altho I guess you cannot read it) if you show you can read I will provide the link. Originally you asked me to provide post in the thread that you were incapable of finding and also finding an external link. I found the posts here but alas your literacy skills seemingly are not advanced enough to read it. Why would you give a blind person binoculars? Or a mute a megaphone? You have not and refuse to show any major reading abilities to suggest it is worthwhile to give you any reading material. It is not accepted to give a junior infant the likes of Shakespeare to read.

    Can you read and finish what you started and adress the advocating of violence?

    No proof, because you made it up.

    The location of the hospital concerned was not public knowledge to protect the privacy of the family.

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  • #1230
    Kev W
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,536 ✭✭✭Kev W


    No Voter And Proud wrote: »
    Statistically from 24 weeks on a baby is potentially viable to survive outside the womb.

    Well if you insist on having a direct yes/no answer based purely on statistics then the answer would be yes.
    No Voter And Proud wrote: »
    Dodging the question? For shame.

    ...he said, dodging the question.


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  • #1231
    conorh91
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭conorh91


    pmasterson95 wrote: »
    I dont think you have the right to dictate either lad! But you seem to think you do!
    No I don't. I've no interest in intervening in an exchange, and telling people to talk about something else. A lot of people dislike awkward truths like the Irish obstetricians and psychiatrists who oppose the use of abortion where a pregnant woman is suicidal, and so they exhort posters to talk about something else.

    Personally, I'm comfortable discussing the evidence. Not everyone is.


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