Cork GAA Discussion Thread

Horse84 wrote: »

It's very evident. I know they're young but physically they're way off. It's the power that Waterford and other counties bring into the tackle to disposes and then the dynamic power they have to break the tackle when in possession. Over the last few years I can only think of maybe sweetnam and maybe mikey cahalane that have had that and they were just naturals.
Waterford are playing well within themselves I'm afraid.

That's the key too many times Cork never gave up the fight for dirty ball but Waterford won nine ten mauls loose ball and like all blacks rugby loose ball they cleaned up
Cork physically struggle against Waterford senior players
Fourteen panel on senior panel showed for Waterford

zetecescort wrote: »

a poster on another forum made the point that this is the legacy of the Waterford team of the 00's, these u-21s grew up looking up to them and having the likes of Mullane and Browne involved is a huge boost to them.

Our team of the 00's have been blacklisted by the CCB, tried their best to wipe that period from the history books. disgraceful but will never change unless the clubs stop sending nodding dogs as delegates to board meetings

I see on other forums posters are still trying to link the players who went on strike to the hurling decline, baffling to put it mildly. For 40 years there has been issues within Cork GAA and there has been one common thread with all these issues, the county board - the 3 stripes affair, attempt to unseat billy Morgan, strikes etc. . Watching the game tonight was frightening, due to size and resources of county, cork should be competitive especially at underage but Waterford brushed us aside. Where does the county go from here, have seen people say development squads are more promising than original launch but they will still require fine tuning - we could be talking 2018 before competing for under 21 or senior all Ireland again, even typing that is scary. I genuinely think croke park should step in and appoint an administrator as they cannot afford to let their largest county in gaa terms slope further into mediocrity. Appoint 2 independent directors, 1 for football and and 1 for hurling and let them take care of management selection at intercounty. County board to stay away at all costs, focus on pairc hi caoimh development etc, do the county board honestly believe they will go sell tickets with the current performances of our inter county teams that will make the stadium viable (never mind them looking for rugby World Cup games despite voting against opening up croke park to non gaa activities, hypocrisy at its finest). What is maddening though is I genuinely believe that if we had the best mgt picked for all our teams we genuinely would be competitive reasonably quickly at all levels, as trappatoni said it's all about the small details

N20 wrote: »

Depressing stuff from a Cork perspective and half that Waterford team underage again next and 1 or 2 the following year again

Very little positives to draw on

No physical presence
Aimless balls
Poor wides

And Waterford only toying with Cork second half.

Our goal against the run of play when Waterford were napping ( well finished though )

it's all a load of bollocks

It's depressing no doubt

I think there's positives in Collins was immense
Dennehy actually probably gave the best display by Cork full back any grade last few years nothing spectacular but never beaten so should be looked at for senior can't be any worse than what's there


Unlike at senior we showed intent play sweeper and thought played it well but we had no ball winning half forwards of senior standard up against senior of Bennett and glesson borke

Cahalane or Callaghan badly missed here


No lad really showed for senior inclusion but Spillane was well marked but should get senior games as with other top forwards senior hard double mark him


Only positives really is Cork intermediate could do well in o Neill brennan Collins meade geary casey should be drafted to the panel

Buckley outstanding in goal for Cork last day so can't be dropped but Collins should be added panel so good and even as outfield player in cork have field new team over last year so could definitely strengthen it as tippeary are very strong and Cork have to simply have to try do well as can with minor intermediate team now in other Cork teams are out or could be soon

I said this before like clare do Cork intermediate should be bulk of young hurlers just out of under twenty one or in this case still this level as yes have few older experience guys there but Cork have to build for the future

Every day Cork delays it affects senior
Brennan I thought for someone never stood out before had a fine game and o Neill while raw in potential definitely imo should be worked with
Senior won't know til Monday who they play but we should hope we don't have away draw and kk and tippeary win which they should
Cork if they get to round two would imo have better chance beat limerick than tippeary as tippeary will destroy Cork full back line but limerick who are imo not ruthless for goals would be better team to play


Senior need a fully fit team and a home draw get confidence back
And must avoid clare as clare with fit team and sort discipline will be major threat to any team yet

Colm galvin huge loss to clare but he's still hurling as in usa last weekend in Boston sheehsn cup playing for tippeary got two goals one from a penalty
If cork meet clare the sooner the better as cunningjham injured also and galvin won't be back till august
Clare are the team with tippeary I fear only with kk
Tippeary winning Sunday keeps them apart from Cork they win munster for a bit
Hopefully kk win leinster and they will I think Galway still unpredictable and not as good as the Dublin game or nowhere near it
Cork would imo have a chance against them

Lambanna wrote: »

I see on other forums posters are still trying to link the players who went on strike to the hurling decline, baffling to put it mildly. For 40 years there has been issues within Cork GAA and there has been one common thread with all these issues, the county board - the 3 stripes affair, attempt to unseat billy Morgan, strikes etc. . Watching the game tonight was frightening, due to size and resources of county, cork should be competitive especially at underage but Waterford brushed us aside. Where does the county go from here, have seen people say development squads are more promising than original launch but they will still require fine tuning - we could be talking 2018 before competing for under 21 or senior all Ireland again, even typing that is scary. I genuinely think croke park should step in and appoint an administrator as they cannot afford to let their largest county in gaa terms slope further into mediocrity. Appoint 2 independent directors, 1 for football and and 1 for hurling and let them take care of management selection at intercounty. County board to stay away at all costs, focus on pairc hi caoimh development etc, do the county board honestly believe they will go sell tickets with the current performances of our inter county teams that will make the stadium viable (never mind them looking for rugby World Cup games despite voting against opening up croke park to non gaa activities, hypocrisy at its finest). What is maddening though is I genuinely believe that if we had the best mgt picked for all our teams we genuinely would be competitive reasonably quickly at all levels, as trappatoni said it's all about the small details

Trap reference with greatest respect man hardly what Cork hurling needs

Was great manager in old days of soccer but Christ above he's style play was caveman soccer with no innovation at all at all
Cork gaa if we want reference soccer needs a mourinho with balls of ruthless conviction and winning mentality

I agree and I said this before Cork needs o grady hurling director with football someone like Morgan or Eammon Ryan
It won't happen though and unfortunately Cork football will always play poor mouth Cork gaa and you see kerry in dingle having football academy Cork football never have that

You need Cork football hurling be independent with both directors independent so both fight tooth nail for their corner



This management much better last six years but suffering ills neglect previous years

Cork football and hurling hasn't good management at all levels just some
Cork hurling club scene needs radical change and mandate from the board to referees to make it tougher but it won't happen



This is so predicable what happens next
Give it about a week and some coaching officer board will run with a story what there doing etc
Yes work is being done but no where near Cork hurling needs
We still have no where near number gdo needed in football or hurling

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

It's depressing no doubt

I think there's positives in Collins was immense
Dennehy actually probably gave the best display by Cork full back any grade last few years nothing spectacular but never beaten so should be looked at for senior can't be any worse than what's there


Unlike at senior we showed intent play sweeper and thought played it well but we had no ball winning half forwards of senior standard up against senior of Bennett and glesson borke

Cahalane or Callaghan badly missed here


No lad really showed for senior inclusion but Spillane was well marked but should get senior games as with other top forwards senior hard double mark him


Only positives really is Cork intermediate could do well in o Neill brennan Collins meade geary casey should be drafted to the panel

Buckley outstanding in goal for Cork last day so can't be dropped but Collins should be added panel so good and even as outfield player in cork have field new team over last year so could definitely strengthen it as tippeary are very strong and Cork have to simply have to try do well as can with minor intermediate team now in other Cork teams are out or could be soon

I said this before like clare do Cork intermediate should be bulk of young hurlers just out of under twenty one or in this case still this level as yes have few older experience guys there but Cork have to build for the future

Every day Cork delays it affects senior
Brennan I thought for someone never stood out before had a fine game and o Neill while raw in potential definitely imo should be worked with
Senior won't know til Monday who they play but we should hope we don't have away draw and kk and tippeary win which they should
Cork if they get to round two would imo have better chance beat limerick than tippeary as tippeary will destroy Cork full back line but limerick who are imo not ruthless for goals would be better team to play


Senior need a fully fit team and a home draw get confidence back
And must avoid clare as clare with fit team and sort discipline will be major threat to any team yet

Colm galvin huge loss to clare but he's still hurling as in usa last weekend in Boston sheehsn cup playing for tippeary got two goals one from a penalty
If cork meet clare the sooner the better as cunningjham injured also and galvin won't be back till august
Clare are the team with tippeary I fear only with kk
Tippeary winning Sunday keeps them apart from Cork they win munster for a bit
Hopefully kk win leinster and they will I think Galway still unpredictable and not as good as the Dublin game or nowhere near it
Cork would imo have a chance against them

Can't see the positives
A few lads were ok Dennehy, Cashman, Collins did well
A few didn't turned up
A few aren't good enough
A few aren't physically mature enough or the strength and conditioning completely ineffective
Ex take this years minor hurling and football captains - powter and Kingston - powerhouses - I suspect they must be doing their own gym work - they would have had more impact this evening

I don't mean to criticise the lads clearly they have worked hard and there are good reports and soundings about Damien Irwin, and injuries a factor but we are so far away from it and coming from such a low base

Utterly utterly depressing

zetecescort wrote: »

a poster on another forum made the point that this is the legacy of the Waterford team of the 00's, these u-21s grew up looking up to them and having the likes of Mullane and Browne involved is a huge boost to them.

Our team of the 00's have been blacklisted by the CCB, tried their best to wipe that period from the history books. disgraceful but will never change unless the clubs stop sending nodding dogs as delegates to board meetings

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Trap reference with greatest respect man hardly what Cork hurling needs

Was great manager in old days of soccer but Christ above he's style play was caveman soccer with no innovation at all at all
Cork gaa if we want reference soccer needs a mourinho with balls of ruthless conviction and winning mentality

I agree and I said this before Cork needs o grady hurling director with football someone like Morgan or Eammon Ryan
It won't happen though and unfortunately Cork football will always play poor mouth Cork gaa and you see kerry in dingle having football academy Cork football never have that

You need Cork football hurling be independent with both directors independent so both fight tooth nail for their corner



This management much better last six years but suffering ills neglect previous years

Cork football and hurling hasn't good management at all levels just some
Cork hurling club scene needs radical change and mandate from the board to referees to make it tougher but it won't happen



This is so predicable what happens next
Give it about a week and some coaching officer board will run with a story what there doing etc
Yes work is being done but no where near Cork hurling needs
We still have no where near number gdo needed in football or hurling

I agree with your points but to be fair my point about trappatoni is that he constantly referred to little details being key to success and he is right, unfortunately we are not on top it seems of any little details in either senior code such as skills coaching, s&c (for hurlers anyway, footballers seem in good physical shape notable that it's an outsider responsible for this), tactics, man management etc, most intercounty teams can claim to be ok in 1 or 2, we seem to be struggling with nearly all. By the way to be fair to Giovanni T you have to be called out on the mourinho reference. Caveman soccer - I must have missed all Jose's team that oozed sexy football and never played defensive football, as for winning mentality true I suppose trappatoni never won all 3 European titles available prior to cup winners cup being disbanded etc serie a etc, oh hang on he did, anyway that's for another forum, top level is about results something both mourinho and trappatoni and going local billy Morgan, Donal o'grady etc know all about

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

There valid points we know for years






Another loss Cork hurling but I don't think as bad last year to clare as Cork team last year way stronger
Congratulations Waterford and we'll coached with Burke curran Bennett Devine all doing well
Should beat clare but tippeary are extremely strong I think and maybe a year too soon Waterford
A fine side they are

TTM

Though sometimes i haven't a clue what you are writing or trying to say one thing strikes me is your utter distain for Limerick hurling not even a mention of limerick in your talk of u21 hurling.Remember waterford u21s are a fine side but remember limerick played them at minor 3 times in 2013 and 14 and weren't beaten by them, in your view it'll be a yr too soon for waterford to beat tipp but not even a mention that it may be remotely possible that limerick might do so, its as if its a taken they'll beat limerick.
In another post you hope to get limerick in the second round of the snr qualifiers because you think tipps full forward line will go to town on corks full back line as limerick don't go for goals!!!!!!!!!Are you being serious?what do you think will be tipperary's full forward line next sunday? Would you not be just as afraid of Limericks?

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Looks I have mentioned limerick hurling under twenty one numerous times their thread 👌 not my fault you didn't see it
I said win all Ireland within two years and rate ross Corbett and management and team highly but think could be year too early and I think nothing against limerick team but tippeary team to beat said this day one as this year peak minor winning team and ran clare close last two years
I actually want and said numerous times want limerick win under twenty one title as many limerick thread know huge huge fan minors and huge Cian lynch fan
Limerick will peak next year but tippeary I think are the favourite many eyes

In don't disdain limerick hurling I praised huge under age and like their scene
Ask any Cork fan they love play limerick over tippeary as tippeary hosed us last year and league and Cork seem fear them where Cork beat limerick last year so naturally like many Cork fans I'd rather limerick than tippeary as limerick will play direct style suit Cork
Nothing more or less
Limerick could well beat Cork but I rather take chance them than tippeary as tippeary are very good on their day

I'm not looking for plaudits from anyone regarding limerick hurling and i'm not being over sensitive plus i have seen complimentary comments on some aspects including Lynch,any posts that i have read on this thread from you from what i can remember you haven;t mentioned the tipp v limerick u21 game only that tipp are very strong,well you know what i think we won't be too bad ourselves i feel.

Re preferring meeting limerick rather than tipp i suppose who could blame you there as traditionally we feared cork but i think thats an evolving story.The fact remains traditionally cork assume they can beat anyone with the exception of kk and tipp i suppose the rest just have to beat ye as much as is possible to get the same respect

QUOTE=Straight Talker;95921811]God between the few Waterford posters we had on here and the Limerick fella here desperately demanding some validation for their counties from TTM.Tonight was a sad night for Cork hurling leave us alone!Ha what a pathetic jokeshop of a county we are.A county of our size heritage and tradition reduced to being a a bunch of sad sorry and pitiful losers in both codes and sure were not even competing at U21 grade anymore.Were getting the living bejaysus beat out of us every year at u21 now and a hammering in Killarney to look forward to in another few weeks.We are now the wipping boys for a county that has a smaller playing pool to work with and a county who's county board are on the verge of bankruptcy.Our once great GAA county has been reduced to a pitiful shambles but sure who cares once we have the monument built eh.Frank, the county board, the club members, the whole lot of ye just hang yere heads.[/QUOTE]

I.m not desperately demanding anything from anybody especially TTM just making a point thank you

There was a huge show of numbers by Rebel Og at PUR last Sunday - must have been a couple of hundred young lads with the Rebel Og T Shirts - most of them passed in front of where I was sitting in the main stand. You'd wonder whether it was planned to let supporters know that something is being done at underage level.

Maybe the strikers are to blame.

Croke Park sought to intervene in the strike in 2009 and proposed a deal whereby the CB agreed to cede a huge amount of control to CP provided Gerald was retained as IC Manager. The players rejected this. The problem is that Frank would have wrestled back control before long.

We are now ahead of only Kerry, in underage in Munster. We are not even competitive with the rest. We have an IC Football Manager that's regarded as a joke in Kerry and is clearly not up to the job according to 2 well respected Nemo Players. One of our best ever U21 Managers went for the job but was snubbed by Frank, in favour of a man whose CV was sparce (to say the least)

It's very hard to argue that Frank has been doing an effective job yet he has a job for life with a well paid assistant. The problem is that the people that should be asking questions are the delegates and most of them must also shoulder some of the blame for the neglect.

You can't get accountability with this system.

Don't know which defeat to waterford was more disheartening, the seniors or under 21's. Not many positives from the game.. Cashman and Dennehy maybe. Collins was good in goal, had a lot to do unfortunately... don't think any of the forwards stood out.

Watching the game back on telly, a few times the camera panned onto Derek McGrath and a few of the senior Waterford hurlers who where there watching and in support. Didn't see any of the cork senior set up there and the tv cameras never picked em up. IMO that reflects the difference in mood and attitude between both counties.

DuffleBag wrote: »

A lot of should've would've could'ves and what ifs about last nights game. What if Pa O'Callaghan and Michael Cahalane were playing, or that Cathal Cormack etc werent injured, or the likes of Dayne Lee had been hurling instead of studying for the LC for the past few weeks. If Histon hadnt been injured he would've started and maybe his physicality and man marking would've curbed a few of the waterford scores.

Like others said, it was Man v Boys last night. You would have to seriously wonder what kind of gym work, or lack there of, a lot of these fellas are doing on their own outside of training. We, as well as waterford, hit a lot of long range wides from half back.

Anthony Spillane was anonymous for the game and surprised he lasted the full hour. A touch of Pa Horgan about him, minus the frees.

One thing i noticed before any ball was thrown in, the waterford team arrived with training tops, and gear with their name on them... Cork arrived with baggy generic polo shirts. Fine detail but a sure sign of lack of preparation.

A bit early say Spillane like horgan in Spillane just twenty one
Spillane still showed get involved but was double marked


To be fair horgan worked the other night hard but something Cork seem to ignored as he seems never get mentioned is horgan in close game again failed to score one single point from play
You have like niall McCarthy less skill getting one but niall is a warrior
I still feel people don't either realise or want to accept horgan way way off what's expected even club level and he needs be dropped
Jack guiney was dropped with less options for Welford and yes Cork don't have another horgan but they have more than enough fire power and free taking options so needs be dropped as soon as possible to save he's game
He'll become a better player for it

Horse84 wrote: »

Yea was thinking the same thing. It goes back to what we've been saying and that is the system we have of producing senior inter county players is absolutely not fit for purpose. The mindset here is that underage doesn't have to be successful and you'll hear this old cliché of "oh well you'd only be looking for 1 or maybe 2 young fellas a year to come out of these teams and be a successful senior". I don't buy into that at all, you should be demanding if not expecting most of these players to be pushing for places on the senior team. That's just not promoted in cork.
Watch the way Kilkenny from minor through to u21 play to the very same style as the senior team so when they do come through they're comfortable playing in a system and its not taking them 2 or 3 years to find their feet and make make an immediate impact. Clare have done that and now Waterford have taken it to another level again. You saw McGrath there but there were other senior players in the crowd, yes supporting but I assure u a lot of em are watching their backs and seeing who they're competing for their place on the team with. That philosophy simply does not exist here.
I'd say watching that on TV there if u didn't know it was on in cork and seeing all those Waterford senior management and players then you'd think it was played below in Walsh park.
Anyone that was in pairc ui rinn for the corresponding minor fixture in 2013 (I went to that match with a Waterford player who starred last night) will remember that cork actually pushed them all the way that day all be it with some dodgy decisions from the ref and a stronger panel arguably but the fall off has been significant if not alarming.

That minor match I wouldn't blame the ref I'd blame the poor Cork manager we had with a fine fine team


Timing some times play part sport and it pity ring landers were not that minor team or this minor team under twenty one team last few years

Cork minors now next big game