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Abortions for 3,735, minature flags for nobody

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  • #542
    volchitsa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,186 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    The Golden Miller wrote: »
    Right, scratch China. I think the father also having to consent to an abortion is a good idea. With the semantics out of the way, we back on the same page?

    And what happens if the woman wants the abortion anyway? Should she be locked up? How would you stop her exactly?

    "If a woman cannot stand in a public space and say, without fear of consequences, that men cannot be women, then women have no rights at all." Helen Joyce



  • #543
    The Golden Miller
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,785 ✭✭✭The Golden Miller


    lazygal wrote: »
    So to stop men committing suicide women should be forced to remain pregnant? How would that work exactly? Should the right to travel be repealed and all women checked to make sure every cycle they aren't pregnant and aren't having abortions? What about women who have to go through pregnancy and labour and birth? You don't seem to care a jot.about your girlfriend going through all.that.

    You seem to be mixing my opinions up with laws that women can bend. All I hear is "what about women, what about woman"


  • #544
    The Golden Miller
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,785 ✭✭✭The Golden Miller


    volchitsa wrote: »
    And what happens if the woman wants the abortion anyway? Should she be locked up? How would you stop her exactly?

    I dunno, I don't make the laws. I'm just against abortion


  • #545
    K-9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,313 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    The Golden Miller wrote: »
    I'd say the lack of a brain. What do you think?

    What about a guy committing suicide from depression after being made up that he was going to be a dad, and then it was robbed from him. Or are you only concerned about the women?

    So basically its from a fathers have no rights so therefor pregnant women should have none either, a twisted equality point of view.

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



  • #546
    stinkle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,159 ✭✭✭stinkle


    The Golden Miller wrote: »
    You seem to be mixing my opinions up with laws that woman can bend. All I hear is "what about women, what about woman"
    That'd be because it's a women's rights issue.


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  • #547
    The Golden Miller
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,785 ✭✭✭The Golden Miller


    lazygal wrote: »
    So the man gets the final say. Why?

    It's called equality


  • #548
    lazygal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,644 ✭✭✭✭lazygal


    The Golden Miller wrote: »
    You seem to be mixing my opinions up with laws that woman can bend. All I hear is "what about women, what about woman"

    Because they are the ones who go through pregnancy, labour and birth. Like your girlfriend, remember her? Why should women remain pregnant because a man might commit suicide?


  • #549
    stinkle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,159 ✭✭✭stinkle


    The Golden Miller wrote: »
    It's called equality
    HOw is it equality if one party (who doesnt have to deal with the reality of the situation) has a veto?


  • #550
    lazygal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,644 ✭✭✭✭lazygal


    The Golden Miller wrote: »
    It's called equality

    How is it equality if the man gets to decide whether a woman can have an abortion?


  • #551
    The Golden Miller
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,785 ✭✭✭The Golden Miller


    stinkle wrote: »
    That'd be because it's a women's rights issue.

    It's nothing to do with women's rights in my opinion. If anything, it's more along the line or "fcuk the man and babies rights"


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  • #552
    stinkle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,159 ✭✭✭stinkle


    The Golden Miller wrote: »
    It's nothing to do with women's rights in my opinion. If anything, it's more along the line or "fcuk the man and babies rights"
    Abortion has nothing to do with women's rights? Are you also saying that women have abortions just to spite men and "babies"?


  • #553
    lazygal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,644 ✭✭✭✭lazygal


    The Golden Miller wrote: »
    It's nothing to do with women's rights in my opinion. If anything, it's more along the line or "fcuk the man and babies rights"

    Yes women have abortions because they hate men and babies, in that order. How would you stop your pregnant girlfriend accessing abortion?


  • #554
    The Golden Miller
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,785 ✭✭✭The Golden Miller


    lazygal wrote: »
    How is it equality if the man gets to decide whether a woman can have an abortion?

    Because then they both have a say in the matter, and if either wants it kept it will be kept, so the same applies to both, hence equality. Just in the same way if he wants rid of it and she wants to keep it, then she gets the final say. You understand? Jesus, like groundhog day for dummies in here. Honestly do you have any opinions or decent contributions to make?


  • #555
    Samaris
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,544 ✭✭✭Samaris


    The Golden Miller wrote: »
    It's nothing to do with women's rights in my opinion. If anything, it's more along the line or "fcuk the man and babies rights"

    Well, your opinion, and that of Ireland in general in regards to this issue does seem to be "fcuk the incubator's rights".

    Ah, like Irish referenda. The rights go to whoever agrees with your point of view?


  • #556
    lazygal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,644 ✭✭✭✭lazygal


    The Golden Miller wrote: »
    Because then they both have a say in the matter, and if either wants it kept it can be kept, so the same applies to both, hence equality. Just in the same way if he wants rid of it and she wants to keep it, then she gets the final say. You understand? Jesus, like groundhog day for dummies in here. Honestly do you have any opinions or decent contributions to make?

    What if she.wants an abortion. Why does the man get to decide she remains pregnant? And how can he force her to remain pregnant?


  • #557
    stinkle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,159 ✭✭✭stinkle


    The Golden Miller wrote: »
    Because then they both have a say in the matter, and if either wants it kept it will be kept, so the same applies to both, hence equality. Just in the same way if he wants rid of it and she wants to keep it, then she gets the final say. You understand? Jesus, like groundhog day for dummies in here. Honestly do you have any opinions or decent contributions to make?
    If she wants it and he doesnt he has the option to walk away. No adverse effects on his body or mental health. The woman doesn't have that option.


  • #558
    The Golden Miller
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,785 ✭✭✭The Golden Miller


    stinkle wrote: »
    Abortion has nothing to do with women's rights? Are you also saying that women have abortions just to spite men and "babies"?

    No I'm not at all. Where did you pull that from the once again try and misrepresent what I'm saying. You were talking about woman's rights. It's not a woman's right issue at all. I sarcastically said, going by the hardcore feminists we obviously have in here, took the piss out of their anti-men's views


  • #559
    The Golden Miller
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,785 ✭✭✭The Golden Miller


    stinkle wrote: »
    If she wants it and he doesnt he has the option to walk away. No adverse effects on his body or mental health. The woman doesn't have that option.

    And what are these effects? Gonna go talking about exceptions again?


  • #560
    stinkle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,159 ✭✭✭stinkle


    The Golden Miller wrote: »
    No I'm not at all. Where did you pull that from the once again try and misrepresent what I'm saying. You were talking about woman's rights. It's not a woman's right issue at all. I sarcastically said, going by the hardcore feminists we obviously have in here, took the piss out of their anti-men's views
    you said "**** the men and babies". That reeks of spite.


  • #561
    stinkle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,159 ✭✭✭stinkle


    The Golden Miller wrote: »
    And what are these effects? Gonna go talking about exceptions again?
    Labour. Mastitis. C-section - major abdominal and uterine surgery. Post-natal depression.


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  • #562
    Kiwi in IE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,063 ✭✭✭Kiwi in IE


    The Golden Miller wrote: »
    Because then they both have a say in the matter, and if either wants it kept it will be kept, so the same applies to both, hence equality. Just in the same way if he wants rid of it and she wants to keep it, then she gets the final say. You understand? Jesus, like groundhog day for dummies in here. Honestly do you have any opinions or decent contributions to make?

    You have not explained how you think the man should be able to enforce that a woman continues with a pregnancy against her wishes?


  • #563
    The Golden Miller
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,785 ✭✭✭The Golden Miller


    lazygal wrote: »
    What if she.wants an abortion. Why does the man get to decide she remains pregnant? And how can he force her to remain pregnant?

    Because it's half HIS. And if it is the other way around, she gets the final say. Because neither should be robbed of a baby, if they are prepared to raise it. You understand?


  • #564
    NachoBusiness
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,389 ✭✭✭NachoBusiness


    eviltwin wrote: »
    I'm surprised given your views above that you would but you wouldn't do that if you didn't empathise with people so apologies for my earlier comment.

    No bother, cheers.. the reason I would vote for early stage abortions / first trimester (along also with any stage with regards to health of mother or child) is that other developed countries that have tried to ban abortions where travel to another country wasn't as easy as it is here, have failed spectacularly. Brazil and Chile most notably. Ideally I would prefer that health of either the mother or child was only reason an abortion was ever considered but that is never going to happen.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iiGe-U5K-8


  • #565
    inocybe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 505 ✭✭✭inocybe


    The Golden Miller wrote: »
    Because it's half HIS. And if it is the other way around, she gets the final say. Because neither should be robbed of a baby, if they are prepared to raise it. You understand?

    Ok let's accept this. I also would like to hear your ideas on how you would go about forcing her to remain pregnant.


  • #566
    lazygal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,644 ✭✭✭✭lazygal


    The Golden Miller wrote: »
    And what are these effects? Gonna go talking about exceptions again?

    Perineal tearing
    Mastitis
    Incontinence
    Post natal depression
    Dental problems
    Stretch marks
    Uterine rupture
    C section scarring
    UTIs
    Gestational diabetes
    SPD
    Post natal infections


    Many women suffer from all, some or one of the above, myself included. Stop.pretending pregnancy labour and birth have no short medium or long term effects on women.


  • #567
    The Golden Miller
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,785 ✭✭✭The Golden Miller


    inocybe wrote: »
    Ok let's accept this. I also would like to hear your ideas on how you would go about forcing her to remain pregnant.

    If it became law, and she breaks the law, she faces jail time


  • #568
    lazygal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,644 ✭✭✭✭lazygal


    The Golden Miller wrote: »
    Because it's half HIS. And if it is the other way around, she gets the final say. Because neither should be robbed of a baby, if they are prepared to raise it. You understand?

    No I don't. Why should I remain pregnant when I don't want to be because my husband wants a baby?


  • #569
    lazygal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,644 ✭✭✭✭lazygal


    The Golden Miller wrote: »
    If it became law, and she breaks the law, she faces jail time

    So we should jail.pregnant women who try to travel for abortions?


  • #570
    inocybe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 505 ✭✭✭inocybe


    The Golden Miller wrote: »
    If it became law, and she breaks the law, she faces jail time

    abortion is already against the law - seen anyone in prison lately for having one?


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  • #571
    Kiwi in IE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,063 ✭✭✭Kiwi in IE


    The Golden Miller wrote: »
    If it became law, and she breaks the law, she faces jail time

    But it is law already. Abortion is illegal in Ireland. Are you saying that you want to make it illegal for women to travel abroad for abortions? How would this be enforced?


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