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Abortions for 3,735, minature flags for nobody

Brancott

I see the 2014 figures are up slightly for Irish women having abortions in the UK.
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/increase-in-number-of-irish-travelling-to-uk-for-abortions-1.2242750

A total of 3,735 women with Irish addresses travelled to England or Wales for abortions last year, an increase on the 2013 of 3,679, the first year-on-year rise in the number of abortions for Irish citizens since 2001.

Of course what these figures haven't account for is the amount of women who purchase abortion pills online & successfully get them passed customs.

The effect of cheap air travel has also meant that the UK is no longer an exclusive destination for this procedure.

The true figure is probably then much higher than the 3,735 quoted, perhaps even a multiple of it.

Not lets be Irish about this & pretend it doesn't exist then bury our heads in the sand.

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volchitsa

The Golden Miller wrote: »

Right, scratch China. I think the father also having to consent to an abortion is a good idea. With the semantics out of the way, we back on the same page?

And what happens if the woman wants the abortion anyway? Should she be locked up? How would you stop her exactly?

The Golden Miller

lazygal wrote: »

So to stop men committing suicide women should be forced to remain pregnant? How would that work exactly? Should the right to travel be repealed and all women checked to make sure every cycle they aren't pregnant and aren't having abortions? What about women who have to go through pregnancy and labour and birth? You don't seem to care a jot.about your girlfriend going through all.that.

You seem to be mixing my opinions up with laws that women can bend. All I hear is "what about women, what about woman"

The Golden Miller

volchitsa wrote: »

And what happens if the woman wants the abortion anyway? Should she be locked up? How would you stop her exactly?

I dunno, I don't make the laws. I'm just against abortion

K-9

The Golden Miller wrote: »

I'd say the lack of a brain. What do you think?

What about a guy committing suicide from depression after being made up that he was going to be a dad, and then it was robbed from him. Or are you only concerned about the women?

So basically its from a fathers have no rights so therefor pregnant women should have none either, a twisted equality point of view.

stinkle

The Golden Miller wrote: »

You seem to be mixing my opinions up with laws that woman can bend. All I hear is "what about women, what about woman"

That'd be because it's a women's rights issue.

The Golden Miller

lazygal wrote: »

So the man gets the final say. Why?

It's called equality

lazygal

The Golden Miller wrote: »

You seem to be mixing my opinions up with laws that woman can bend. All I hear is "what about women, what about woman"

Because they are the ones who go through pregnancy, labour and birth. Like your girlfriend, remember her? Why should women remain pregnant because a man might commit suicide?

stinkle

The Golden Miller wrote: »

It's called equality

HOw is it equality if one party (who doesnt have to deal with the reality of the situation) has a veto?

lazygal

The Golden Miller wrote: »

It's called equality

How is it equality if the man gets to decide whether a woman can have an abortion?

The Golden Miller

stinkle wrote: »

That'd be because it's a women's rights issue.

It's nothing to do with women's rights in my opinion. If anything, it's more along the line or "fcuk the man and babies rights"

stinkle

The Golden Miller wrote: »

It's nothing to do with women's rights in my opinion. If anything, it's more along the line or "fcuk the man and babies rights"

Abortion has nothing to do with women's rights? Are you also saying that women have abortions just to spite men and "babies"?

lazygal

The Golden Miller wrote: »

It's nothing to do with women's rights in my opinion. If anything, it's more along the line or "fcuk the man and babies rights"

Yes women have abortions because they hate men and babies, in that order. How would you stop your pregnant girlfriend accessing abortion?

The Golden Miller

lazygal wrote: »

How is it equality if the man gets to decide whether a woman can have an abortion?

Because then they both have a say in the matter, and if either wants it kept it will be kept, so the same applies to both, hence equality. Just in the same way if he wants rid of it and she wants to keep it, then she gets the final say. You understand? Jesus, like groundhog day for dummies in here. Honestly do you have any opinions or decent contributions to make?

Samaris

The Golden Miller wrote: »

It's nothing to do with women's rights in my opinion. If anything, it's more along the line or "fcuk the man and babies rights"

Well, your opinion, and that of Ireland in general in regards to this issue does seem to be "fcuk the incubator's rights".

Ah, like Irish referenda. The rights go to whoever agrees with your point of view?

lazygal

The Golden Miller wrote: »

Because then they both have a say in the matter, and if either wants it kept it can be kept, so the same applies to both, hence equality. Just in the same way if he wants rid of it and she wants to keep it, then she gets the final say. You understand? Jesus, like groundhog day for dummies in here. Honestly do you have any opinions or decent contributions to make?

What if she.wants an abortion. Why does the man get to decide she remains pregnant? And how can he force her to remain pregnant?

stinkle

The Golden Miller wrote: »

Because then they both have a say in the matter, and if either wants it kept it will be kept, so the same applies to both, hence equality. Just in the same way if he wants rid of it and she wants to keep it, then she gets the final say. You understand? Jesus, like groundhog day for dummies in here. Honestly do you have any opinions or decent contributions to make?

If she wants it and he doesnt he has the option to walk away. No adverse effects on his body or mental health. The woman doesn't have that option.

The Golden Miller

stinkle wrote: »

Abortion has nothing to do with women's rights? Are you also saying that women have abortions just to spite men and "babies"?

No I'm not at all. Where did you pull that from the once again try and misrepresent what I'm saying. You were talking about woman's rights. It's not a woman's right issue at all. I sarcastically said, going by the hardcore feminists we obviously have in here, took the piss out of their anti-men's views

The Golden Miller

stinkle wrote: »

If she wants it and he doesnt he has the option to walk away. No adverse effects on his body or mental health. The woman doesn't have that option.

And what are these effects? Gonna go talking about exceptions again?

stinkle

The Golden Miller wrote: »

No I'm not at all. Where did you pull that from the once again try and misrepresent what I'm saying. You were talking about woman's rights. It's not a woman's right issue at all. I sarcastically said, going by the hardcore feminists we obviously have in here, took the piss out of their anti-men's views

you said "**** the men and babies". That reeks of spite.

stinkle

The Golden Miller wrote: »

And what are these effects? Gonna go talking about exceptions again?

Labour. Mastitis. C-section - major abdominal and uterine surgery. Post-natal depression.

Kiwi in IE

The Golden Miller wrote: »

Because then they both have a say in the matter, and if either wants it kept it will be kept, so the same applies to both, hence equality. Just in the same way if he wants rid of it and she wants to keep it, then she gets the final say. You understand? Jesus, like groundhog day for dummies in here. Honestly do you have any opinions or decent contributions to make?

You have not explained how you think the man should be able to enforce that a woman continues with a pregnancy against her wishes?

The Golden Miller

lazygal wrote: »

What if she.wants an abortion. Why does the man get to decide she remains pregnant? And how can he force her to remain pregnant?

Because it's half HIS. And if it is the other way around, she gets the final say. Because neither should be robbed of a baby, if they are prepared to raise it. You understand?

NachoBusiness

eviltwin wrote: »

I'm surprised given your views above that you would but you wouldn't do that if you didn't empathise with people so apologies for my earlier comment.

No bother, cheers.. the reason I would vote for early stage abortions / first trimester (along also with any stage with regards to health of mother or child) is that other developed countries that have tried to ban abortions where travel to another country wasn't as easy as it is here, have failed spectacularly. Brazil and Chile most notably. Ideally I would prefer that health of either the mother or child was only reason an abortion was ever considered but that is never going to happen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iiGe-U5K-8

inocybe

The Golden Miller wrote: »

Because it's half HIS. And if it is the other way around, she gets the final say. Because neither should be robbed of a baby, if they are prepared to raise it. You understand?

Ok let's accept this. I also would like to hear your ideas on how you would go about forcing her to remain pregnant.

lazygal

The Golden Miller wrote: »

And what are these effects? Gonna go talking about exceptions again?

Perineal tearing
Mastitis
Incontinence
Post natal depression
Dental problems
Stretch marks
Uterine rupture
C section scarring
UTIs
Gestational diabetes
SPD
Post natal infections

Many women suffer from all, some or one of the above, myself included. Stop.pretending pregnancy labour and birth have no short medium or long term effects on women.

The Golden Miller

inocybe wrote: »

Ok let's accept this. I also would like to hear your ideas on how you would go about forcing her to remain pregnant.

If it became law, and she breaks the law, she faces jail time

lazygal

The Golden Miller wrote: »

Because it's half HIS. And if it is the other way around, she gets the final say. Because neither should be robbed of a baby, if they are prepared to raise it. You understand?

No I don't. Why should I remain pregnant when I don't want to be because my husband wants a baby?

lazygal

The Golden Miller wrote: »

If it became law, and she breaks the law, she faces jail time

So we should jail.pregnant women who try to travel for abortions?

inocybe

The Golden Miller wrote: »

If it became law, and she breaks the law, she faces jail time

abortion is already against the law - seen anyone in prison lately for having one?

Kiwi in IE

The Golden Miller wrote: »

If it became law, and she breaks the law, she faces jail time

But it is law already. Abortion is illegal in Ireland. Are you saying that you want to make it illegal for women to travel abroad for abortions? How would this be enforced?