Cork GAA Discussion Thread

O Riain wrote: »

You keep going on about Cork's injuries. What about the fact that Waterford were missing one of their top players in Pauric Mahoney who broke his shin not 4 weeks ago. Not to mention Darragh Fives and Stephen Daniels still being unable to make appearances due to injuries. All three of those boys are starters so does it not make Waterford and Cork even at least in the injuries department making your point totally invalid?[/quote
I have answered that numerous times on previous posts have a look back
I do respect your opinion but I disagree

http://www.eveningecho.ie/sport/cork-footballers-without-three-key-players-for-the-clare-mfc-game/
Key here is unlike the hurling cork have replacements imo
Brian driscoll should be starting at half forward instead of o rourke
Clancy injured o donughe could start
Maguire is a loss but dinneen deane and Sean kiely are good replacement

I saw one cork media pundit predicting a huge cork win in fact correct me there was two
Maybe cork with hurley and colm to go on goal fest could but I don't think people realise clare will break even at midfield despite talk cork will dominate here and there's a failure to realise how poor team this is in no set effective style of play, no leadership within or from the line and Cork are absolutely going through the motions this management

As I called it last week I said Histon got call up
Terrific young player but just like white and kiely and mceoin he could be dropped just as fast and begs belief why oh why oh why he's called up when cork have huge depth defenders


The goal keeper situation is a complete and utterly joke in o shea and hurley at thirty four called up with no league training really yet price young goalkeeper with soccer background the best keeper in Cork championship so far can't get a call up despite excellent two last McGrath cups



What I think may happen if clare actually don't belive the hype with Cork and go for it will cause cork problem cork will win but usual utter nonsense interview after from cork management will talk of progress fairy tale promises, reviews and it was a good league when no it wasn't
The league was actually bar relegation a disaster for Cork as it was false dawn after false dawn when huge defence problems were overlooked
The interview this week imo be the same old same old stuff


It would be a disaster imo for kerry to loose to tipp and normal I go for tipp but I actually hope kerry win as if tipp won and Cork managed to win munster it buy this term another year
I want no false dawns and I'm sick of them in Cork football
To win munster beat kerry in kerry if not munster is meaningless
Kerry are actually vulnerable Sunday after a week in Portugal where I hear they flogged themselves and have few injuries and there not as they always never are full peak this time of the year as clare pushed them last year so they probably will pull through but tipp will be a danger have no doubt
Three intercounty team with three cork managers playing this week and the team with the worst cork manager out of the three is likely to win Sunday
The irony of it

Can't disagree with you on any of that. The lack of success, the absence of role models, the loss of Kingston, the away venue, all these things make the job in hand that bit more difficult. You may well be right in that we are on a par as opposed to being ahead of the other minor contenders. But I don't think Limerick are anywhere near the team they were last year. The 2 Lynchs were the men that team was built around, both now gone. And I do think our current crop have enough about them to get over Limerick without said talisman. Mind you we won't be able to tell until the night as you never know with young fellas. Here's hoping.

archieknox wrote: »

Time to move on is right. Both counties have different avenues to travel over the next few months so lets see where we end up.
On the u21 game next week how are ye fixed? Are ye strong or hopeful etc? We'll be thinking we're strong but we thought that last year and got blown out of it! Our away record in Cork is abysmal so I wouldn't be at all confident travelling down to Pairc Ui Rinn.

Hard to right off any team but hopeful more than strong Id say
Injuries weakling team and have been beaten good few challenges
You never know with 21s but I'd say if Waterford are tuned in ye. will have to much for cork

commonsense. wrote: »

Can't disagree with you on any of that. The lack of success, the absence of role models, the loss of Kingston, the away venue, all these things make the job in hand that bit more difficult. You may well be right in that we are on a par as opposed to being ahead of the other minor contenders. But I don't think Limerick are anywhere near the team they were last year. The 2 Lynchs were the men that team was built around, both now gone. And I do think our current crop have enough about them to get over Limerick without said talisman. Mind you we won't be able to tell until the night as you never know with young fellas. Here's hoping.

On the evidence so far the current limerick minors especially the players left over from last year aren't quite of the(very high to be fair) standard of last year where the Lynch's, Barry Nash, Tom Morrissey, cosgrave, Colin Ryan etc. were top class, very hard to replace all those and it's very hard to make up a 10 point difference even with Kingston out...however should be a lot closer this time and daly has had 2 months more to work with them so maybe the management can pull something out of the hat, I would be a surprised though if limerick win

what's the story with Lorcan McLoughlan? is he expected to make an appearance later on this year if all goes well?
also TTM whats your opinion on the cork football? heard there's a young crowley on the panel, kevin i think? i know he's riddled with injuries but with those aside, is he capable of starting for them?

Kevin Crowley is an outstanding player with a year left at under twenty-one and is a player full of guile cohesion want desire leadership skills real awareness space and football and outstanding defender and imo he has it all if injury free and could be our nearest thing to ciarsn o sullivan and tomas o shea the great great i mean the really really great half backs of football

wackojacko11 wrote: »

what's the story with Lorcan McLoughlan? is he expected to make an appearance later on this year if all goes well?
also TTM whats your opinion on the cork football? heard there's a young crowley on the panel, kevin i think? i know he's riddled with injuries but with those aside, is he capable of starting for them?

In relation to answer your questions regards cork football
I could go for the easy option it be less hassle and say look were okay cork football was always going to struggle against the best and the league we got to a final, management are in transit new team and on any given Sunday sure with a bit luck we could challenge

Unfortunately cork football imo needs truth and honesty within
I keep using England soccer as an example
I love watching itv coverage not that's it's great but it shows me how lazy pundit go for the easy option don't ruffle feathers but go with the flow yet unfortunately it's bites them in the back side so to speak when in a major championship there ruthlessly exposed again

After Italy in a friendly they said we are a top four teams again over the draw
Against Ireland it was lame excuses we are tired we had a long season we control the game
Yet with the bigger panel and better players they were poor

No honesty within to say like all hodgson games England can't create and at best draw and that's the hall mark there term under that management and they will top a poor group goto the finals thinking there great when any top six team will beat them
Yet itv fan club of England will never call Roy on things or have bold ruthless assessment games


Cork football is the same
We had a league false dawns where kerry and donegal didn't care yet the ist big test dubs beat us after twelve minutes

No body calls it as it is though
Cork football has the worst defence in the league outside kerry by two goals
However kerry we know can defend and implementation of a system but kerry picked and chooses the games to win like Dublin and donegal
Cork have showed no sign of an effective defence yet Dublin one year in like Cork have converted smoothly to defence style
Cork against Dublin and in recent challenges still conceded too much
Our attack is based on rugby league style running through crash bang and wallop and off load usually laterally or back wards when faced with a blanket defence

Kerry and Dublin by contrast play a basketball approach from defence to attack in they attacks and defend zones and alter the pace and angle of attack by fast delivery of angles long kick passing and only when they break the ist line of defence in behind do they then off load by hand pass with runners coming through the middle in to space and when it's not on they score from long distance
Cork imo to put it honestly are way off the top teams and I feel genuinely for the players are some are being asked play a game their skills simply don't allow them fulfil imo

http://www.the42.ie/patrick-horgan-cork-waterford-2151098-Jun2015/

Hoggie joins Ben o conner and Ringy as leading cork scorers of all time

Some acolade

He has potential to overtake them !

Hurleratheart wrote: »

http://www.the42.ie/patrick-horgan-cork-waterford-2151098-Jun2015/

Hoggie joins Ben o conner and Ringy as leading cork scorers of all time

Some acolade

He has potential to overtake them !

He from play wouldn't tie the shoe laces of either and both those two got goals in an all Ireland final the great great really really great players do
He's work rate is appalling most of the time and you can't play him in half forward line when the ingredients half play is hard work he won't do it

If things were not bad enough and an statics like that will really make him undroppable and imo not great going forward
From placed ball he's up their as one of the greatest but this is hurling not American football where a lad does place kicking you take him off and then another lad does the work a hurlers must as ring said have the strength and steel within to then hurl freely
Horgan isn't imo a patch on those players and they always performance for club wasn't good but always exceptional where Horgan club form to be fair looking at previous games is poor from play

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

He from play wouldn't tie the shoe laces of either and both those two got goals in an all Ireland final the great great really really great players do
He's work rate is appalling most of the time and you can't play him in half forward line when the ingredients half play is hard work he won't do it

If things were not bad enough and an statics like that will really make him undroppable and imo not great going forward
From placed ball he's up their as one of the greatest but this is hurling not American football where a lad does place kicking you take him off and then another lad does the work a hurlers must as ring said have the strength and steel within to then hurl freely
Horgan isn't imo a patch on those players and they always performance for club wasn't good but always exceptional where Horgan club form to be fair looking at previous games is poor from play

I don't like criticising inter county plays as they play for the love of the game and in Hoggys case I know he is down the Glen practising on his own for years first thing in the morning all year round. Their is a big difference between not working hard and not having the speed to keep up with athletic full backs. Over the past 10 years he has practically carried us on his own. We wouldn't even have been competitive without him. All our forwards are struggling this is not cause they don't care or work hard. The use of the limited ball we get is terrible. Giving cadigon a ball 3 foot over his head is no good or the amount of times we hit long ball straight into a defenders hands or into the corner where there is no one drives me nuts. These are all training issues and can be sorted. We are in a better place than people think. There is a long summer there yet.

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Football team to be named Thursday night

You would want to be a genius to guess what team Cuthbert comes up with

Tony Considene wrote Cork off today as a very bad team just not good enoygh at this level he said and that a third of the team are not intercounty standard ....Ger Loughnane said that Cork were in fact good on sunday and would have beaten any other Munster county ....those Clare fellas are very good in fairness !

Pos087 wrote: »

I don't like criticising inter county plays as they play for the love of the game and in Hoggys case I know he is down the Glen practising on his own for years first thing in the morning all year round. Their is a big difference between not working hard and not having the speed to keep up with athletic full backs. Over the past 10 years he has practically carried us on his own. We wouldn't even have been competitive without him. All our forwards are struggling this is not cause they don't care or work hard. The use of the limited ball we get is terrible. Giving cadigon a ball 3 foot over his head is no good or the amount of times we hit long ball straight into a defenders hands or into the corner where there is no one drives me nuts. These are all training issues and can be sorted. We are in a better place than people think. There is a long summer there yet.

Bar two years ago from play what games as he carried us on he's own
Let's go through them and assess them

Figsy32 wrote: »

I have to disagree. Horgan does work but he can't keep up with lads at this level. It's similar to why Cronin gets so much unwarranted stick.

You keep mentioning his Glen performances and more recently his game against Ballymartle as a stick to beat him with. He hit 6 points from play in that game. I don't know how much else he's expected to do.

He has kept Cork in

The game was open and glen were flying
Typical he's game
Last ten minutes what did he do
Nothing yet less talented hurlers McCarthy got great goal
What did he do in the county final and semi final
Pace has nothing to do with it
Serious like
Kelly king Henry and joe canning had no great pace
Were making excuses for him
Pace has nothing to do with attitude imo
That comes from the legs where want desire dogged resolve doesn't