Cork GAA Discussion Thread

Horse84 wrote: »

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/jimmy-barry-murphy-cork-rebels-must-rise-to-occasion-334749.html

As has already been said a very honest and open interview from jimmy.
I'd be concerned that he does seem genuinely, I'm not sure subdued is the right word but certainly the league final seemed to be a chastening to the team and himself. He acknowledges they got it wrong tactically and from what I take from it is that he's demanding a performance from the team and it's time to put up or shut up.

One thing I absolutely do not take from it is that cork were not interested in the league. There's an abundance of reasons why this is a myth. You need only look at the reaction of the team to beating Dublin and as jimmy says the reaction in training afterwards. This was a team that set out to win yet another national final and didn't perform and lost to a better team. If cork win by 10 points on Sunday it is NOT proof that cork were shadow boxing in the league final. Waterford 100% the better team. No question. Very simple very straightforward, just like the man himself.

The very thought that jimmy was on the sideline grinning at Waterford showing their hand for the championship and basically leaving silverware go in year 4 of his tenure is nonsense, complete and utter and quite frankly it does the man a disservice.

To the match on Sunday as to who is favourites or not well as this is Munster championship number 1 does it matter and number 2 who cares?
Waterford are carrying form cork aren't. Personally I don't think there's a lot between the teams when fully fit. All this talk of this great rivalry back in the noughties needs to be parked it will have no bearing on Sunday. They were great days with 2 wonderful hugely different teams when hurling itself was probably different.

As to who's under more pressure going into this. For me it's cork, no doubt. Huge questions hang over players and management. They're a team that can no longer be called young mentored by a group that should know them inside out. It's year 4 where progress has to be shown. I still think they ask more questions than answer positionally and personnel wise, injuries aside (of which there are many in both camps).
Waterford come into this in bonus territory. A very young team unburdened mostly by past shortcomings that had zero expectations on them from the start of the year. In fact, from knowing a good number of Waterford friends, I would follow the Waterford championship closely and know a few of the players their aim was promotion from 1b and that was about it. They'll come into Sunday with no fear and still no great weight of expectation from a very demanding Waterford hurling crowd.

One final word to some Waterford posters in this thread. Firstly the very best of luck Sunday but please for the love of Christ stop with the poor mouth. I know we can all be guilty of it but when I hear talk of populations and cork should be beating Waterford all the time well how come any county can even compete with Dublin?
And regards some of what's been said against Jimmy. Give it a rest. In 2012 we were in the doldrums, the pits. He mightn't yet make us all
Ireland champions but he brought some of the pride and belief and found and developed unknown talent and for that we will be forever grateful. You think Derek McGrath is now better than slice pan, he may very well be yet and kudos for what he's done but from what I understand the knives were very much out for the bold Derek pre season and only for paddy joe Ryan sitting him down and saying improve or be gone then things may have been very different.
Roll on Sunday:)

Mountainlad wrote: »

Look, if Darragh Fives played for Cork he'd be the best hurler of all time in your opinion. Yet you constantly try to undermine the fact that he is injured. Your argument hes not a loss because of the system is stupid. Are you saying if we had the Kerry half backline it wouldn't matter because of the system? We have 3 good players in the half back line, two potentially very good but Darragh is already very good.

Mahony is a huge loss. Daniels would be starting if he had been fit. So there you go, level playing field. If Waterford cope better with the injuries on Sunday we are better than Cork. No ifs no buts, no nothing. If you really want me to produce you're declaration that there was no way Waterford would win back on the second day of this year I'll happily do it.

The fact is Cork have as much chance as we have and you know that as well as I do but you must do your absolute utmost to undermine Waterford, past and present everytime you post. Every single one that mentions Waterford.

And the reason? You jumped the gun at the start of the year and won't admit you were being stupid to write them off that early. Basically you cant be wrong unless Waterford win the all Ireland in your view. Crazy.

You said back then Waterford had the players but not the management, compared the management team to Cuthbert as you love to do and said Laois were in a better place with their coaches, despite Waterford beating them by 10 points without even playing well last year.

And now, you're saying the players are actually average and will be found out. You're contradicting yourself at every angle. But no matter what happens Sunday, you cant be wrong simply because you won't accept it. Fairplay.

Horse84 wrote: »

Pretty much as expected but disappointed in not seeing rob o Shea starting. I said Brian Murphy would start and does.
A big thing which needs to be done Sunday is getting Horgan off of Connors. He's never ever played well against him and Connors has had him in his pocket nearly every time they've played.
I've a feeling too that Harnedy won't make it and don't be surprised to see Cronin lining out Sunday.
Looking at that bench, it's very very weak
imho.
I'm expecting a big big performance but just not confident going into this match at all I'm afraid.

Alf Tupper wrote: »

Very well summed up.

TTM is the typical Monday Morning Quarterback!

It makes sense wrote: »

To true with the pick being PA O' Callaghan, Conor O'Sullivan, Egan, Barry, John Cronin and Spillane that would seriously strength the team

youngbob wrote: »

i agree 100% with you sean mac. if harnedy is out we're in big trouble
hurling is played with skill speed of thought & lots of effort harnedy brings that to every match he can't be replaced.the are very few you can say that about in this team, maybe ellis & keerney. our top scorer hoggy gets the majority of scores which lehane could take but sheamy is our main man

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

with respect your points are imo nonsense regards my post


When did Joyce get injured
Well he was injured v Dublin
When did lorcan get injured it was in Kanturk castlelyons game nothing absolutely nothing do league final let's be clear
Cadogan was injured in that game but he's one few we could negate he's loss in harnedy and lorcan imo are best cork have and irreplaceable
Two weeks ago
When did harnedy around few weeks ago

You do realise surely January is six or so months back that to break it down for you is January February March April may and June so what I said in January or even December obviously I didn't foresee these would be injured did I


You are Wrong imo
I never blew up cork to win the league in fact I called it before and at half time absolutely spot on
Joyce we had to plan with out and probably could have but lorcan and harnedy means one injury turned in to three as we had two more so two plus one is three


Going in to any match course injury can occur during it but surely common logic will tell you the problems cork have with Murphy having no game time absolutely none at all and we now have a full back line with corner back coming in cold, full back that'd not full back a centre forward who talk is won't start but was named and will be hoping pass late fitness test probably but named to give him every chance but don't be shocked he doesn't yet you want me to say cork will win


They can if everything clicks but I tend to go on logic and yes cork could win but it's imo unlikely given huge injury worries we have

Let's be clear crystal clear
Most old regular cork posters know I don't do mind games or yerra talk and without lauding myself but seen as a few quick to point out what I do then I will defend my posts and point is certainly not always right but most times my posts stand to reason and the reason is simply I call a spade a spade nothing more or less and yes it probably upsets some but geuinely not my intention I just call it as it is so no I'm not playing it smart sunday based on our injury and lack of a bench waterford to win
But you never know with Waterford based on past history in under twenty one expected to win they didn't
They were expected to beat limerick all Ireland semi final didn't
Three years ago expected beat cork didn't
The replay were expected to be competitive but they fell apart
So in that regard I suppose we have hope

As many have said not just me here they expect cork to loose
How is this playing it smart
I said cork would loose league final as it's not priority and Ellis and Murphy were injured and even Seanie mcgrath said it interview
Of course i was accused playing it smart regards Ellis then having injury etc when he actually had one
Just cause and fair enough you may not apply logic to prediction your choice and I respect your right to do that but please don't say I'm playing it smart in i can't loose
What nonsense with respect


I'm a realist so if cork win it will mean waterford certainly not as good as they thought are and they bottled under expectations and of course it will take a huge ask and I certainly will be saying win or loose like many regular here can testify I'll repeat what said last three years cork need a full back and cork still need a bench and strenght hsve back cover and half forwards also
I won't suddenly sing out cork for all Ireland in beating waterford is certainly not anything to get carried away with and all it means is were three games for all Ireland but still way off in terms I said this last three years no team win all Ireland without a full back

cascade12 wrote: »

IMO thinkstoomuch doesntthinkenough and saystoomuch.

It makes sense wrote: »

TTM the worse thing for me going into this match is the players not involved which could be involved and that is where JBM lets us down occasionally, I see Lawton a lot saw him against kildorry not a half forward hurled plenty of ball when went back to half back/midfield John Cronin a much better ball winner never given a chance but Lawton several Conor o sullivan is a good hurler William Kearney better than him I think not JBM does on what basis it's baffling at times I hope we win but on what basis pa o' Callaghan what a player lets hope for next season he would make a difference on Sunday the players are there if picked and made themselves available.

youngbob wrote: »

You wrote this 4wks ago when you knew joyce was out for year & harnedy and Cadogan when off with hamstring injuries. I'm not going back to Jan or Feb when we didn't know any of the injuries. All I'm saying is most of your post are pointless til you know the players that are available. We have what we have, sometimes you harp on about Paul O Connell, Canty Keane.What has that to do with this Cork team playing on Sunday?Talking about players of yesteryear is also pointless. It makes me think of the fellas in the pub who say this sh** like it was better in my day. I watched the 'GREAT' '66 final recently is was awful but its gone down in folklore as outstanding just because victory wasn't expected

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Not meaningful debate now to be fair and is that best you can bring to the build up to the match
I respect your right to your opinion all the same.

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

I respect your opinion but I hsve answered your point before so no point in going over it again
I disagree your points