Cork GAA Discussion Thread

thinkstoomuch1

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/worrying-rise-in-gaa-hip-surgery-claims-255635.html

There's also evidence suggesting as those three players proved doubts player regains he's best form after such operation

thinkstoomuch1

http://m.independent.ie/irish-news/news/gaa-players-now-having-hip-replacements-in-their-20s-doctor-warns-30563760.html

As here it says there's risk player never fully recovers from hip problems

To suggest your remark cahalane always has injury after bad game is with greatest respect sean just as baffling as your question after cork loosing to waterford league you questions cork training why get lot hamstrings injury when I posted a link showing hamstring wide range problems gaa not correlated to just cork and this has been recently proved by cunningham hamstring with clare
Your post are normally excellent so I say you will surely acknowledge the logic that presents itself in
Hamstring injury common place in gaa not just cork
Cahalane like paddy kelly and sullivan never regained true form after injury and that's not players fault and they deserve our sympathy and best wishes and certainly not remarks with greatest respect say suddenly cahalane plays bad all you hear he's injured
You hear it cause it's true nothing more nothing less
In kelly case however he simply outstanding for club proved while off he's best still something offer cork when fit

thinkstoomuch1

http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/are-hip-injuries-just-the-price-paid-for-stronger-faster-more-powerful-players-1.1659572
Excellent article on hip injury showing the likes of mcgrath and rush power etc all regained top form that yes some can thankfully recover fully
But not all unfortunately imo

Coughlan took a while to regain it and then unfortunately suffered back injury
Others and there's plenty example where they didn't recover fully or it took them longer than usual
It's such a complex injury every one is different
Cahalane of course suffered other injury since


What should be remembered us cahalane was outstanding full back cork under twenty one and as sub for withers saved cork v tipp Thurles and was outstanding v downes munster under twenty one final , superb Castlehaven centre back two years row outstanding cork under twenty one football bar course when played out position football full back when cork had to play him there
He simply turned cork minors game Galway in comeback going to midfield


Cahalane under age hurling or football has always performed be fair but at senior due to football played our position as corner back under Counihan then subbed wrongly just stroke half time and under cuthbert played badly coached team and suffering awful luck injury unfortunately means likely never fully fulfil huge potential he has

People that judge him need to look at he's injury record and to be fair no one can deny he's had an awful run
He twice held horgan club games scoreless from play and while horgan never plays well club at times simply still cahalane gave horgan every challenge and cleaned him out under high ball
Course playing him half back last year where pace was vital v fast tipp half forward line was a disaster waiting to happen and he should been told play full back and stay there and not Shane o Neill who outstanding player was made look awful simply cause cork played him out position
No excuse last year from management but this year be fair injured players in Spillane Joyce and cahalane robbed them three options

Mountainlad

You said Mahonys loss was a huge huge loss 2 weeks ago that we couldn't replace in attempt to create some pressure that Waterford are apparently under. Now his loss can be 'levelled' out. That's the problem TTM you're moving the barriers the whole time.

And I don't see what difference devaluing the league would make given you're already devaluing it. We've not even beaten Cork and you're already devaluing a potential win v them on Sunday. If we won Munster it would be "Munster champions have a bad record in semi final, better off losing". But if we lost a Munster final, you'd say the bubble is burst.

You're perspective is skewed to take the negative angle with Waterford everytime.

thinkstoomuch1

Mountainlad wrote: »

You said Mahonys loss was a huge huge loss 2 weeks ago that we couldn't replace in attempt to create some pressure that Waterford are apparently under. Now his loss can be 'levelled' out. That's the problem TTM you're moving the barriers the whole time.

And I don't see what difference devaluing the league would make given you're already devaluing it. We've not even beaten Cork and you're already devaluing a potential win v them on Sunday. If we won Munster it would be "Munster champions have a bad record in semi final, better off losing". But if we lost a Munster final, you'd say the bubble is burst.

You're perspective is skewed to take the negative angle with Waterford everytime.

It was a huge huge loss but be fair lorcan and harnedy loss since, since key word changes things hugely as clearly seen by Murphy recall you clearly acknowledge not good for cork


You convently few weeks ago chooses to ignore my point and I still haven't got reply and understandable in no logic reply to it in munster is absolutely joke as proven again I say to you and hopefully you will reply this time
Since 05 no team won munster and all Ireland and more importantly waterford twice tippeary twice cork twice and limerick all won munster failed get to all Ireland final
Why is that???
Simply fact prove not opion munster has no real relevance all Ireland championship

Your right waterford winning a munster won't or any team winning it convince me all Ireland series and no waterford lost munster wouldn't say bubble burst but yes their inflated balloon is bust if can't beat injury ridden cork sunday


In fairness if complain afyee match it's seen as an excuse
You can never win with respect your attitude as you don't like reality
Reality is cork are weak due to injury and I say now don't expect cork to win
I said it two years ago in munster v clare and proven wrong thankfully but this is not mind games but looking at cork poor bench no defence cover strength cork will struggle to win and waterford simply have to otherwise this league win will be questioned and god help ye ye get fully fit clare in qualifier who with yere greatest manager ever knows how beat waterford
Just my opinion

thinkstoomuch1

Cork intermediate team be named tonight apparently

Alf Tupper

Strong rumour in Waterford that Kevin Moran is injured and very doubtful for Sunday.

N20

Scarecrow 2 wrote: »

Cork 21s beat limerick on limerick last night 2-19 to 1-19.

Only got reports from a father but he said cork played well and are minus a lot of players that are injured and exams and he thinks peter kelleher after opting to only play football since called up to senior panel. Limerick had strong team with cian lynch centre forward. Cork played

Conor Twomey got injured last weekend . Aaron ward broke hand for Douglas. Cathal Cormac also out. Stephen murphy injured.

team was something like Barry
, Shane hegarty , Dennehy, sean o Donoghue , Dave Noonan, o keefe??. Cash man. Cahalane, Brennan fermoy?? Kevin o Neill, killian o Connor. mark o Connor, Geary , Donal hannon.

Would it be O Keeffe from Middleton CBS, think Fr O Neills - bulk of those guys you've named underage again next year I think

Those injuries are costly !

How did dennhy and O Donghue do ? I thought Hegarty was a forward ???
Is Mark O Connor regaining form?

I don't suppose you have Limerick team

Apologies for questions I know your getting info second hand

I'm away at the moment and a little out of the loop

Connorzee

Alf Tupper wrote: »

Strong rumour in Waterford that Kevin Moran is injured and very doubtful for Sunday.

Wrong thread.. we have our own injuries to be worrying about.

However, regardless of Moran being out, ye'll still be luke warm favourites.

commonsense.

youngbob wrote: »

Bookies aren't foolish at all. the reason why Cork are favs is because Waterford fans aren't putting their money on their team. If they were as confident as they say they are their money would be on & bookies would adjust the odds.As for this talk Cork are a bigger county therefore they should win is schoolboy logic..every year Dublin should beat Kk, Limerick should beat Clare. ah shur we'll give Dublin the double every year, they have the biggest population. every match starts 15 vs 15. If Waterford lose on Sunday they could be in shock for the year. beating Cork by 10pts 4wks ago being league champs & going out of Munster in their 1st game in unthinkable in my eyes

The sense I get is that Waterford were (rightly) delighted with their league win and are looking forward to this years championship and beyond with a sense of optimism. I certainly don't get any sense of hype and unrealistic expectations.I think they (the supporters) are approaching Sunday's game in a 50/50 frame of mind regardless of what prices bookies are quoting. As has been previously said i think they are in bonus territory this year all ready. Win on Sunday and it will be seen as a continuation of their upward curve. Lose and there is the qualifier route to help continue the journey. I certainly don't see them being in shock if Cork turn them over this time out. Nobody in Waterford as far as I can see are talking in terms of AIs just yet. As a county they are delighted with where they are at relative to the last few years and excited about what the hurling future holds for this group of players. All very understandable in my view.

malascoile

N20 wrote: »

Would it be O Keeffe from Middleton CBS, think Fr O Neills - bulk of those guys you've named underage again next year I think

Those injuries are costly !

How did dennhy and O Donghue do ? I thought Hegarty was a forward ???
Is Mark O Connor regaining form?

I don't suppose you have Limerick team

Apologies for questions I know your getting info second hand

I'm away at the moment and a little out of the loop

I'd say thats Martin Brennan, Fermoy

N20

malascoile wrote: »

I'd say thats Martin Brennan, Fermoy

Got this off The Free Kick

glasagusban said: ↑
Team?
1. David McCarthy 2. Jack Quaid 3. Richie English 4. Mark O'Callaghan 5. Jody Hannon 6. Diarmuid Byrnes 7. BarryO'Connell 8. Darragh 'Donovan 9. Pat Ryan 10. David Dempsey 11 Cian Lynch 12. Robbie Hanley 13. Tom Morrissey 14. Colin Ryan 15. Jamie Butler

Consensus was Limerick missing a few same as Cork

zetecescort

Team Cork Intermediate Hurling


1. Paudgie Buckley (Mallow)

2. Barra Ó Tuama (Castlemartyr)

3. Ed Finn (Ballinhassig)

4. Greg Murphy (Newcestown)

5. Kevin Kavanagh (Carrigaline) Capt.

6. Donnacha O’Donovan (Ballinhassig)

7. Tomas Lawerence (Brian Dillons)

8. Danny Flynn (Charleville)

9. Shane McCarthy (Ballinhassig)

10. Willie Leahy (Aghada)

11. Andrew Cagney (Charleville)

12. Michael Collins (Ballinhassig)

13. Noel McNamara (Kilworth)

14. Fintan O’Leary (Ballinhassig)

15. Tony Murphy (Carrigaline)

Subs:

16. Stephen O’Sullivan (Meelin)

17. Kieran Lane (Kilworth)

18. Paudie Butler (Argideen Rangers)

19. Martin Brennan (Fermoy)

20. Kieran Sheehan (Kilbrin)

21. John Sheehan (Argideen Rangers)

22. John Morrissey (Ballyhea)

23. Arron Sheehan (Mallow)

24. Pat Herlihy (Mallow)

Team Management: Ronan Dwane (Aghada) - Manager, Peter Brennan (Ballinhassig), Jerry Lenihan (Inniscarra), Pat O’Connell (Delany Rovers), Ronan Sheehan (Mallow).

Medical Officer: Dr. Paddy Burke. Physiotherapist: Kieran Lenihan




Team Cork Senior Hurling


1. Anthony Nash (Kanturk) Capt.

2. Shane O’Neill (Bishopstown)

3. Stephen McDonnell (Glen Rovers)

4. Brian Murphy (Bride Rovers)

5. Damien Cahalane (St. Finbarr's)

6. Mark Ellis (Millstreet)

7. Cormac Murphy (Mallow)

8. Daniel Kearney (Sarsfields)

9. Aidan Walsh (Kanturk)

10. Conor Lehane (Midleton)

11. Seamus Harnedy (St. Ita's)

12. Bill Cooper (Youghal)

13. Alan Cadogan (Douglas)

14. Luke O’Farrell (Midleton)

15. Patrick Horgan (Glen Rovers)

Subs:

16. Patrick Collins (Ballinhassig)

17. William Kearney (Sarsfields)

18. Killian Burke (Midleton)

19. Aidan Ryan (Midleton)

20. Patrick Cronin (Bishopstown)

21. Brian Lawton (Castlemartyr)

22. Rob O’Shea (Carrigaline)

23. Darren McCarthy (Ballymartle)

24. Stephen Moylan (Douglas)

25. Paudie O’Sullivan (Cloyne)

26. Jamie Coughlan (Newtownshandrum)

Team Management: Jimmy Barry-Murphy (St. Finbarr’s) - Manager, Mark Landers (Killeagh) - Coach, Johnny Crowley (Bishopstown), Seánie McGrath (Glen Rovers).

Medical Officer: Dr. Con Murphy. Chartered Physiotherapist: Declan O’Sullivan.

thinkstoomuch1

zetecescort wrote: »

Team Cork Intermediate Hurling


1. Paudgie Buckley (Mallow)

2. Barra Ó Tuama (Castlemartyr)

3. Ed Finn (Ballinhassig)

4. Greg Murphy (Newcestown)

5. Kevin Kavanagh (Carrigaline) Capt.

6. Donnacha O’Donovan (Ballinhassig)

7. Tomas Lawerence (Brian Dillons)

8. Danny Flynn (Charleville)

9. Shane McCarthy (Ballinhassig)

10. Willie Leahy (Aghada)

11. Andrew Cagney (Charleville)

12. Michael Collins (Ballinhassig)

13. Noel McNamara (Kilworth)

14. Fintan O’Leary (Ballinhassig)

15. Tony Murphy (Carrigaline)

Subs:

16. Stephen O’Sullivan (Meelin)

17. Kieran Lane (Kilworth)

18. Paudie Butler (Argideen Rangers)

19. Martin Brennan (Fermoy)

20. Kieran Sheehan (Kilbrin)

21. John Sheehan (Argideen Rangers)

22. John Morrissey (Ballyhea)

23. Arron Sheehan (Mallow)

24. Pat Herlihy (Mallow)

Team Management: Ronan Dwane (Aghada) - Manager, Peter Brennan (Ballinhassig), Jerry Lenihan (Inniscarra), Pat O’Connell (Delany Rovers), Ronan Sheehan (Mallow).

Medical Officer: Dr. Paddy Burke. Physiotherapist: Kieran Lenihan




Team Cork Senior Hurling


1. Anthony Nash (Kanturk) Capt.

2. Shane O’Neill (Bishopstown)

3. Stephen McDonnell (Glen Rovers)

4. Brian Murphy (Bride Rovers)

5. Damien Cahalane (St. Finbarr's)

6. Mark Ellis (Millstreet)

7. Cormac Murphy (Mallow)

8. Daniel Kearney (Sarsfields)

9. Aidan Walsh (Kanturk)

10. Conor Lehane (Midleton)

11. Seamus Harnedy (St. Ita's)

12. Bill Cooper (Youghal)

13. Alan Cadogan (Douglas)

14. Luke O’Farrell (Midleton)

15. Patrick Horgan (Glen Rovers)

Subs:

16. Patrick Collins (Ballinhassig)

17. William Kearney (Sarsfields)

18. Killian Burke (Midleton)

19. Aidan Ryan (Midleton)

20. Patrick Cronin (Bishopstown)

21. Brian Lawton (Castlemartyr)

22. Rob O’Shea (Carrigaline)

23. Darren McCarthy (Ballymartle)

24. Stephen Moylan (Douglas)

25. Paudie O’Sullivan (Cloyne)

26. Jamie Coughlan (Newtownshandrum)

Team Management: Jimmy Barry-Murphy (St. Finbarr’s) - Manager, Mark Landers (Killeagh) - Coach, Johnny Crowley (Bishopstown), Seánie McGrath (Glen Rovers).

Medical Officer: Dr. Con Murphy. Chartered Physiotherapist: Declan O’Sullivan.

Intermediate team understandsbly isn't that strong having to field a new team but Mccarthy mcnamra kavangh Collins are ones to watch with herihly as a sub also
While allowing for the fact where a new team had to be fielded this team certainly could been stronger and I like many here had reservations over dwayne management and certainly after that selection my concerns are still there

Senior team is as good as it could be to a degree but hopefully Murphy will swap with cahalane and they switch Mcdonnell and stop this nonsense utter utter nonsense playing him full back
O shea should started and unless horgan comes out which I don't think he's going fight for dirty ball then the sweeper won't be effective
O shea should started having had a good league
Harnedy correctly starts but there's huge doubts if he lasts and I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't even start
Bench is weak when you see kearney and lawton and Mccarthy all fine club players but not game changers and two good defenders in Ryan and Burke with little or no league behind them
Injuries to cork are huge so I hope Murphy works but waterford imo to win unfortunately

Horse84

Pretty much as expected but disappointed in not seeing rob o Shea starting. I said Brian Murphy would start and does.
A big thing which needs to be done Sunday is getting Horgan off of Connors. He's never ever played well against him and Connors has had him in his pocket nearly every time they've played.
I've a feeling too that Harnedy won't make it and don't be surprised to see Cronin lining out Sunday.
Looking at that bench, it's very very weak
imho.
I'm expecting a big big performance but just not confident going into this match at all I'm afraid.

CORKDOUBLE

Team is as good as can be expected ....with a number of players not there ....I just worry I think its a team that is weaker on paper at least from the teams off 2013 and 2014....also that Leauge final defeat has left a terrible feeling ...this team and management have to win on sunday lose again to the same opposition is a disaster ...the pressure is on ...but then again that's what the championship is all about ....REBELS ABU !

thinkstoomuch1

Horse84 wrote: »

Pretty much as expected but disappointed in not seeing rob o Shea starting. I said Brian Murphy would start and does.
A big thing which needs to be done Sunday is getting Horgan off of Connors. He's never ever played well against him and Connors has had him in his pocket nearly every time they've played.
I've a feeling too that Harnedy won't make it and don't be surprised to see Cronin lining out Sunday.
Looking at that bench, it's very very weak
imho.
I'm expecting a big big performance but just not confident going into this match at all I'm afraid.

Sane as myself you called a spade a spade
I admire that
Cahalane played well recently for the barrs but again I'd worry regards him and injuries
Injury players have severely weakened this team
Waterford will as Waterford do struggle put away cork though so by four once they hold their nerve and bottle
Cork need performance and everyone fit for the qualifiers

thinkstoomuch1

CORKDOUBLE wrote: »

Team is as good as can be expected ....with a number of players not there ....I just worry I think its a team that is weaker on paper at least from the teams off 2013 and 2014....also that Leauge final defeat has left a terrible feeling ...this team and management have to win on sunday lose again to the same opposition is a disaster ...the pressure is on ...but then again that's what the championship is all about ....REBELS ABU !

I'd agree with some that but injury players has given management some breathing space
However there's no excuse absolutely none if they don't play a sweeper absolutely none

zetecescort

Nollaig Cleary has retired with 9 All Irelands and 3 All Stars. Perhaps didn't grab the headlines like Mulcahy but always chipped in with 3 or 4 points a game.

sean mac

As expected, JBM was always going with cahalane, last time I saw him wing back for cork was last year vs limerick when he was absolutely destroyed, maybe carrying an injury then also? Who will play sweeper at the back?
It will be miraculous for harnedy to manage an entire game with the little amount of training he has done, but he is vital. It doesn't matter where horgan is on the pitch, Connors will follow him and its up to horgan to show what he can do under pressure - he is a senior player who needs to lead the line. Bench is very weak, defenders are really average or unproven, while every forward is the exact same imo. Would always select paidi over ofarrell who can go missing in tight games, whereas paidi always has the eye for the goal.
Still think the loss of omahoney is catastrophic for Waterford and the motivation factor is huge for cork and they are well able for one off results, so cork by 3 -4 points.

3ships

Much improved Cork from the League Final team

Full Back Line
Experienced with the necessary know

Half Back
Cahalane in his best position
Ellis and Cormac Murphy fitter now

Midfield
picks itself Walsh due a game

Half Forwards
Lehane at 10 v Rob O Shea at 10 a gulf in class and scoring power
Harnedy is fit, you don't risk it otherwise

Full Forwards
All natural and talented inside men

At least a dozen of the Munster Champion team there plus a man with the Celtic crosses just back.

It's the League v Munster Champions on Sunday. Enjoy it

letowski

Should be a very good game this weekend. I think on paper Cork have more quality, but how they set themselves up to get a good performance will be everything. Waterford's defensive system isnt very straight forward to break down. Its a big test for Jbm to figure out.

I know this gets mentioned alot with ye guys, but how ye start will be critical I think. Cork are great at making comebacks, but up against a Waterford team tailormade to attack on the break will be difficult. If Cork get into a lead it will force Waterford to push up the field, which will provide more space for Horgan, Cadogan, Lehane, etc.

I think it will be more of a shootout from distance on Sunday, I dont expect much goals. I think Cork have better scoring ability in this area and will win.

lim4ev

TTM,what would be your first 15 if all fit?Surely waterford to win if that cork team lines out?

ShamoBuc

That's the best team we have available at the moment. They should win but only on paper, hence the bookies odds. Reading between the lines, full back line in serious trouble. No real full back and a retired player brought back half backs - will probably see a few changes. Midfield - Walsh in particular has not really shown the form we all know he has. Half forwards- star player returning from injury, a real worry he won't last . Full forwards - match winners but have shown themselves capable of not reaching the heights they can, especially if the supply of ball is cut off, which is a real possibility. Subs - not the personal that can turn a tight championship match.
All in all if all goes well we could win a tight game, but my money is unfortunately on a Waterford win.
Hope I'm wrong but we need a lot of things to right and I don't think they will.

thinkstoomuch1

3ships wrote: »

Much improved Cork from the League Final team

Full Back Line
Experienced with the necessary know

Half Back
Cahalane in his best position
Ellis and Cormac Murphy fitter now

Midfield
picks itself Walsh due a game

Half Forwards
Lehane at 10 v Rob O Shea at 10 a gulf in class and scoring power
Harnedy is fit, you don't risk it otherwise

Full Forwards
All natural and talented inside men

At least a dozen of the Munster Champion team there plus a man with the Celtic crosses just back.

It's the League v Munster Champions on Sunday. Enjoy it

Look understanding so you don't know cork set up well and this posts clearly your way saying cork are strong to justify waterford win Sunday when your saying were stronger than the league final

Yes we will have intent and a better game plan you would think but missing lorcan and harnedy injured and starting Mcdonnell over Ryan is not a stronger team or playing o shea as a sub when he'd outstanding league particularly v Dublin and was one of our best player in the league final
Given our injury worries it's as strong as we could hoped to a point but it could been stronger


Let's be realistic now
We have a corner back who hasn't played a single challenge game or league in two years we have full back roasted v Dublin all Ireland semi final, roasted v wexford in league two years ago and v KK league final and Is outstanding corner back not a full back so bar o Neill this full back line fraught with risk


Cahalane has been struggling for fitness and shows cork lack defence cover with out Joyce and lorcan him and Murphy are risked
If he lasts he is not contrary what you say half back and clearly you don't know cork as well as you claim as v tipp last year at half he was destroyed
Ellis and Murphy this time are fit
Midfield is fine
Now o shea was never ever in competition with lehane as there two different types of players and o shea should started at fifteen but played deeper midfield role
Copper is fine
Harnedy you are wrong is not fully fit and cork simply no choice risk him and hasn't trained since only Saturday and don't be surprised if he doesn't start or not last a game

Horgan is talented absolutely but huge concerns regards having the dog within
Cadogan is superb in attitudes and skill and luke to be back from injury last year should be okay as he's worked hard but shouldn't started as imo horgan is going drop deep when imo horgan stay inside and o shea play deep


You forgot to look at the bench which is vital to Sunday
Kearney is terrific club player but be fair has had tough league games and even waterford crystal taken for few goals
Ryan terrific defender but has just two games no league games
Burke is potentially good and should started ahead Murphy but confidence must be rocked see man whether win all Ireland or not is irrelevant in he hasn't trained all league yet he starts

All in all if waterford are the real deal as the league was proclaimed to testify waterford should win as cork if we're full strength would but with huge defence injury and huge doubts to cork most important players in harnedy imo more so than horgan waterford have all the odds in their favour
If waterford can't beat cork sunday then they will never have a better chance imo

thinkstoomuch1

3ships wrote: »

Much improved Cork from the League Final team

Full Back Line
Experienced with the necessary know

Half Back
Cahalane in his best position
Ellis and Cormac Murphy fitter now

Midfield
picks itself Walsh due a game

Half Forwards
Lehane at 10 v Rob O Shea at 10 a gulf in class and scoring power
Harnedy is fit, you don't risk it otherwise

Full Forwards
All natural and talented inside men

At least a dozen of the Munster Champion team there plus a man with the Celtic crosses just back.

It's the League v Munster Champions on Sunday. Enjoy it

Considering the league was won without playing kk and munster champions since 2005 waterford twice cork twice and tipp twice and limerick failing having won munster to get to all Ireland final means nothing in munster so munster v league champions is not an epic but what's hugely important and makes it so important is win and your guaranteed and all Ireland quarter final and you can try out players in meaningless munster final and loose your still just three games from an all Ireland
That's the only reason it's important nothing to do with munster champions as imo as record proves munster championship unfortunately has no weight and become a meaningless competition as the record proves and no team ten years won munster and the all Ireland

thinkstoomuch1

ShamoBuc wrote: »

That's the best team we have available at the moment. They should win but only on paper, hence the bookies odds. Reading between the lines, full back line in serious trouble. No real full back and a retired player brought back half backs - will probably see a few changes. Midfield - Walsh in particular has not really shown the form we all know he has. Half forwards- star player returning from injury, a real worry he won't last . Full forwards - match winners but have shown themselves capable of not reaching the heights they can, especially if the supply of ball is cut off, which is a real possibility. Subs - not the personal that can turn a tight championship match.
All in all if all goes well we could win a tight game, but my money is unfortunately on a Waterford win.
Hope I'm wrong but we need a lot of things to right and I don't think they will.

Bang on the money most of that I agree with
Real logic applied here

thinkstoomuch1

zetecescort wrote: »

Nollaig Cleary has retired with 9 All Irelands and 3 All Stars. Perhaps didn't grab the headlines like Mulcahy but always chipped in with 3 or 4 points a game.

Outstanding servant and ambassador for the game with skill want leadership hunger and steel second to none I wish her nothing but the best in her retirement and thank you nollaig for the memories

thinkstoomuch1

sean mac wrote: »

As expected, JBM was always going with cahalane, last time I saw him wing back for cork was last year vs limerick when he was absolutely destroyed, maybe carrying an injury then also? Who will play sweeper at the back?
It will be miraculous for harnedy to manage an entire game with the little amount of training he has done, but he is vital. It doesn't matter where horgan is on the pitch, Connors will follow him and its up to horgan to show what he can do under pressure - he is a senior player who needs to lead the line. Bench is very weak, defenders are really average or unproven, while every forward is the exact same imo. Would always select paidi over ofarrell who can go missing in tight games, whereas paidi always has the eye for the goal.
Still think the loss of omahoney is catastrophic for Waterford and the motivation factor is huge for cork and they are well able for one off results, so cork by 3 -4 points.

Hope your right and cork win Sunday sean
Motivation won't win it alone if that's so cork football and limerick be cleaning up as they have more motivation most win all Ireland or mayo in football
As for cahalane he's fit in played for the barrs but he's struggled all league injury and it's always concern if he lasts
As for the limerick game he was injured and taken off
Are you suggesting he's faking injury?!
Seriously now as your suggestion as per earlier post is he wasn't injured last year when he was

The rest of your post I agree with and mahony is huge huge loss however cork still have suffered more in injury wise and shanahan doesn't have to be fully fit to take frees
I totally agree regards horgan and Paudie but I think they see Paudie as a game changers who better as a sub which to be fair is valid once he's not used too late

thinkstoomuch1

Cronin and coughlan are good forwards subs but defence looks lack depth