Cork GAA Discussion Thread

Alf Tupper

N20 wrote: »

Just to point out BS is a 2 letter Acronym not a 3 letter one

AOK ?

Touche

Maybe I should have referred to it as CBS:cool:

N20

Alf Tupper wrote: »

Touche

Maybe I should have referred to it as CBS:cool:

LOL - as opposed to HA HA

thinkstoomuch1

Alf Tupper wrote: »

Hey pal, you don't need to try to lecture me about sports people from my own county. I grew up with Ben. FYI, look out for Jack Donoghue, former Ballygunner hurling star and future Munster and Irish rugby star.

I'll give you Meyler and I'll raise you the two Hunt brother's, both former Waterford under age hurlers. We don't moan about Eddie Nolan one of our most talented underage hurlers, Billy's brother, from Roanmore being lost to us to Blackburn in his teens.

For a small county, we punch way above our weight. Not too many double world champion cross country runners and marathons silver medallists and world number one cyclists from other counties of our size. But yet, we embrace these people, not use them as an excuse for our lack or hurlers.

You're being pathetic. You don't hear Tipp moaning about Shane Long!!

Typical of your innate Cork arrogance, with one fell swoop you deem Darragh Fives and Stephen Daniels to be no loss. God help you, you haven't a clue. Ask their respective Cork Fitzgibbon coaches with UCC and CIT how they rate them. McLoughlin and Joyce would not be mentioned in their company.

You so obtuse that you make my argument for me about numbers. Cork should and will nearly always beat Waterford at intermediate and under age by sheer virtue of numbers. The fact that Waterford and every other Munster county have been challenging you and regularly beating you for the last twenty years at senior level is an indictment of Cork and all your resources and numbers. You are now in as big a slump as you were between 54 and 66 and the mushrooms don't seem to be appearing overnight.

btw, you're the only one trying to big us up as the real deal and All Ireland contenders just in case you need a soft landing. Man up, lad. Less of the poor mouth. I haven't spoken to one Waterford person who puts us in that ball park.

We're used to defeat on the hurling field in Waterford, we don't need to make excuses.

Obviously, you still are getting used to it. You're not finding the crumbs at the Kilkenny rich man's table too palatable, I take it.

To finish, please don't talk about Cork producing footballers as an impediment to the hurlers, because that is frankly just embarrassing.

Bottom line is, get off your arse and put in the hard work and less of the excuses.

Thank you for the kind words again as that regularly now your posts you get personal with words like obtuse
That devalues weight argument when you go down that road
You need to look at kilkenny kerry who produced many sports stars so they do and have done just like waterford well bar obviously I'm hurling and football actually won loads all Irelands and yere not in double digits
Your spot on absolutely right you must read my posts as I said it many times from the period you mention cork are in huge huge famine but difference cork is most fans actually realise this and don't think we're better we are, now obviously it seems arrogant to some we look down on waterford by expecting beat them most days when it's not but just waterford have always lost more than they won and again at under twenty one last year
Youre excuse at intermediate doesn't add up when you look at potential in players played and you of course forgot to mention the under twenty one disaster then ye couldn't at home beat a poor cork team

Regards your views on Joyce and lorcan I won't use your choice of words but I'll say your absolutely with respect way off there in your logic
Joyce has been highly rated and your knee jerk posts is unjustified when pat mulchay cit coach rated Joyce hugely at development squads and lorcan rated highly at cit and Daniels as good as he Fives are have done what exactly senior

Cork no too well the disaster we have in famine hurling but I suppose as records show as bad as we are we normally break even with Waterford in the majority of games and even when cork are bad and your correct there and I agree with it doesn't say much waterford can't beat us most times
I respect your opinion so id hope you apply common courtesy when debating not get personal if you would please as yes you may not like my view but keep it civil and especially words like obtuse have no place imo meaningful debate with the greatest respect
If not then it's not enticing to engage in debate
Fair play for playing with Ben cronin like I said an excellent rugby player and imo would thrives in professional era and not been a one cap wonder when imo should got more caps
Maybe he got more caps but I think he had one
A superb player and outstanding v wasps early Heineken cups years in huge munster win
Thanks

Mountainlad

What exactly has Joyce done at Senior? Darragh Fives has done more then him and has been injured for about two years straight. The day Joyce scores 0-3 points against Kilkenny come back to me.

I'm a big fan of Daniels but to be fair Joyce was highly rated underage, however was a bit disppointing in 2013. Last year I have to say I can't really remember.

Fives is the pick of the 4, admit it. He was 2 years center back on consecutive UCC Fitzgibbon winning teams at 19 and 20 years of age. He would have been the 2014 center back but for injury. He's better than anyone we have in the half back line or midfield.


Sometimes I wonder am I the only one that's seen the lad play when I see people questioning him.

Alf Tupper

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Thank you for the kind words again as that regularly now your posts you get personal with words like obtuse
That devalues weight argument when you go down that road
You need to look at kilkenny kerry who produced many sports stars so they do and have done just like waterford well bar obviously I'm hurling and football actually won loads all Irelands and yere not in double digits
Your spot on absolutely right you must read my posts as I said it many times from the period you mention cork are in huge huge famine but difference cork is most fans actually realise this and don't think we're better we are, now obviously it seems arrogant to some we look down on waterford by expecting beat them most days when it's not but just waterford have always lost more than they won and again at under twenty one last year
Youre excuse at intermediate doesn't add up when you look at potential in players played and you of course forgot to mention the under twenty one disaster then ye couldn't at home beat a poor cork team

Regards your views on Joyce and lorcan I won't use your choice of words but I'll say your absolutely with respect way off there in your logic
Joyce has been highly rated and your knee jerk posts is unjustified when pat mulchay cit coach rated Joyce hugely at development squads and lorcan rated highly at cit and Daniels as good as he Fives are have done what exactly senior

Cork no too well the disaster we have in famine hurling but I suppose as records show as bad as we are we normally break even with Waterford in the majority of games and even when cork are bad and your correct there and I agree with it doesn't say much waterford can't beat us most times
I respect your opinion so id hope you apply common courtesy when debating not get personal if you would please as yes you may not like my view but keep it civil and especially words like obtuse have no place imo meaningful debate with the greatest respect
If not then it's not enticing to engage in debate
Fair play for playing with Ben cronin like I said an excellent rugby player and imo would thrives in professional era and not been a one cap wonder when imo should got more caps
Maybe he got more caps but I think he had one
A superb player and outstanding v wasps early Heineken cups years in huge munster win
Thanks

Fair play, but you again choose to miss the basic point.

Cork v Waterford should always be a David v Goliath clash as it always had been before the late 90s.

The fact that the games have been pretty close since then is a testament to the work Waterford has done with a small hurling populous and an indictment on the lack of work that Cork has done with the largest hurling population in the country.

If right were right, Cork should be giving us regular hammerings a la 82 and 83.

In football terms, it should be, for instance, akin to Barca v Burnley.

Nothing personal, but that's the reason why I find your lame excuses about injuries, when we have just as many, so hard to take. If anything, the injuries should weigh heavier on Waterford than Cork.

Likewise, that's the reason Cork are odds on with the bookies for Sunday.

Alf Tupper

Mountainlad wrote: »

What exactly has Joyce done at Senior? Darragh Fives has done more then him and has been injured for about two years straight. The day Joyce scores 0-3 points against Kilkenny come back to me.

I'm a big fan of Daniels but to be fair Joyce was highly rated underage, however was a bit disppointing in 2013. Last year I have to say I can't really remember.

Fives is the pick of the 4, admit it. He was 2 years center back on consecutive UCC Fitzgibbon winning teams at 19 and 20 years of age. He would have been the 2014 center back but for injury. He's better than anyone we have in the half back line or midfield.


Sometimes I wonder am I the only one that's seen the lad play when I see people questioning him.

You're bang on the money.

To me Darragh is second only to Aussie Gleeson in terms of potential and if fit would make an unbelievable difference to our chances of going somewhere now and in the future.

I'm just worried though about all the niggling injuries he's getting. The lad is having no luck whatsoever.

thinkstoomuch1

Alf Tupper wrote: »

Fair play, but you again choose to miss the basic point.

Cork v Waterford should always be a David v Goliath clash as it always had been before the late 90s.

The fact that the games have been pretty close since then is a testament to the work Waterford has done with a small hurling populous and an indictment on the lack of work that Cork has done with the largest hurling population in the country.

If right were right, Cork should be giving us regular hammerings a la 82 and 83.

In football terms, it should be, for instance, akin to Barca v Burnley.

Nothing personal, but that's the reason why I find your lame excuses about injuries, when we have just as many, so hard to take. If anything, the injuries should weigh heavier on Waterford than Cork.

Likewise, that's the reason Cork are odds on with the bookies for Sunday.

Thank you for returning to meaningful debate with no personal slants I do appreciate it


You actually to be fair have the odd valid point but cork are no Barcelona and Sunday as jbm even said cork missing two central defenders and cahalane struggling injury and imo in not just my opinion but one cork lads know I said before league final cahalane struggling injury so you add him plus Joyce plus lorcan two plus one equates to three injuries so cork don't have depth defenders as Murphy recall shows

We always had full back issues now we have more issues

Waterford only have mahony to replace as while I'm huge fan shanahan on and off the field and I geuinely wish him the best he's not really yet top form so he's not huge loss and while mahony is once shanahan if not exactly fully fit should be able take frees so waterford can negate that


Cork have no options in full back was an issue but now we have no centre back and we have a lad starting no game two years a cahalane likely be bench struggled fitness with absolutely no bench cover in kearney and sullivan fine club players but huge doubts remain on inter county scene it's not yerra talk or excuses early but anyone applies logic see waterford injury less affect them


This is now a must win for Waterford, you really should if you have time read waterford thread as majority expect waterford to win and if they loose it's an awful reflection on them going forward or even a struggle win is not good as they will face tougher tests


Waterford have defence system but no where near the elegance cohesion telepathic movement of forward play that clare had in their awesome all Ireland win and while it may come there's been nothing to say waterford will come close to those heights

Even waterford posters dilute the influences some so called huge waterford losses you claim where have no doubt lorcan and Joyce are not former cork greats but currently their the best cork currently have so cork hsve almost impossible task Sunday with the irreplaceable harnedy also up front waterford simply have to win


Harnedy drive hunger want no nonessential messing about but he's attuide do simplicity well and go for goals not soft scoring option ability stand up shoulder shoulder to waterford challenges and the ability to bring and lead other cork players can't be underestimated
It's set up for Waterford imo on looking at logic not any yerra or excuses early talk

I suppose I can understand where you're coming from as being a waterford fan your trying to say cork injuries won't affect them as your wise enough to know waterford don't as under twenty one proved and eight years ago v cork or limerick or even recently as last year when expected do good in the replay waterford don't mix well with expectations on a high level
Waterford intermediate should also beat cork and this hopefully you will apply logic and common sense in not saying he's getting excuses early but hopefully you realise cork all Ireland win means a new team fielded this Year and with new management waterford should really be winning this game
Cork can't field last year's team

thinkstoomuch1

Alf Tupper wrote: »

Fair play, but you again choose to miss the basic point.

Cork v Waterford should always be a David v Goliath clash as it always had been before the late 90s.

The fact that the games have been pretty close since then is a testament to the work Waterford has done with a small hurling populous and an indictment on the lack of work that Cork has done with the largest hurling population in the country.

If right were right, Cork should be giving us regular hammerings a la 82 and 83.

In football terms, it should be, for instance, akin to Barca v Burnley.

Nothing personal, but that's the reason why I find your lame excuses about injuries, when we have just as many, so hard to take. If anything, the injuries should weigh heavier on Waterford than Cork.

Likewise, that's the reason Cork are odds on with the bookies for Sunday.

You again failed to realise that money money like in stocks and shares is what value price betting is and some ill formed lad now more money sense put huge bets cork price naturally go down
Munster huge favourite for Saturday when Glasgow should been but money munster was more when Glasgow all year form should meant they favourite but some punters believed o connell farewell and course munster winning league lot meant going win when they should application logic realised an out half all year long can't kick from hand or placed ball and should be a twelve not a ten, a pretty poor scrum half who can't pass straight with out taking a step back and lives off one good game in rain v Australia, and decision making at the base of the scrum is very poor, a centre hurley who can't tackle, full back Jones unfounately injury never going get back to he's form world cup before years and a pack with good but only good lads in Holland and Butler were never going to win

But you see punters don't often apply logic when that logic always meant munster should never been favourites as munster were truly truly awful v ospreys week before
Wisest ones normally imo are the ones that don't actually bet
Same Sunday bookies odds mean nothing towards Sunday to a degree imo
Looking at both teams waterford it's all set up for

Mountainlad

Ok so you think we should back Waterford TTM, but you also disagree with the pundits who are making Waterford 'huge, huge favourites'...bit confused I have to say?

thinkstoomuch1

Mountainlad wrote: »

Ok so you think we should back Waterford TTM, but you also disagree with the pundits who are making Waterford 'huge, huge favourites'...bit confused I have to say?

I'm not a betting man so I don't advocate betting in general but light injury worries waterford are favourites beat cork
I'm taking one game at face value but to make it as simplistic for you seen as you ask no I certainly wouldn't back waterford all Ireland as from being absolutely dire last year based on a league where hard read too much in to I can't see how waterford been seen made huge improvement yet with no real test for all Ireland contenders
Should beat cork though but as you know I talking about all Ireland contenders in general
Hope this clears up any confusion you have

Mountainlad

So you're saying when you said we were huge, huge favourites you meant the all-ireland? You thought the majority of whoever it is you have decided dictates favouritism thought Waterford were favourites for the all Ireland?

thinkstoomuch1

Cork team announced tommorrow night

thinkstoomuch1

Mountainlad wrote: »

So you're saying when you said we were huge, huge favourites you meant the all-ireland? You thought the majority of whoever it is you have decided dictates favouritism thought Waterford were favourites for the all Ireland?

You know exactly what I meant and if you want to try and perceive it suit your train of thought fair play that your privilege with respect
Waterford are huge favourite Sunday imo based cork injury worries irrespective cork having favs bookies
Beating cork Sunday imo is expected imo but no it won't mean much in all Ireland as your own words now just to recall your views you said cork recall Murphy indictment our woeful defence your right so surely you see waterford are favourites
Waterford should win as be fair sytem is compact and while full back is huge problem for ye cork won't have enough possession to expose it Sunday
Now hopefully you will like I said already twice realise each game taken face value but I understand you will again suit your train thought perceive it be different my argument debate
But I have no great wish to change your opinion my view but of course i totally totally respect your opinion so like we have last few weeks realised comes cork waterford myself yourself different views so well agree to disagree

HatchetMan7

Harnedy passed himself fit 2 weeks ago so i'd expect him to start Sunday and i'd also think that Shanahan will start too. Even though the bookies have Cork as clear favourites this game will be close. Listening to people down in Waterford they're very wary as its difficult to beat any team twice in close proximity never mind a team like Cork. Pauric Mahoneys loss is huge as he'll probably get at least 2/3 more points from frees than any other freetaker we have but he was also our most economical player when in possession. He rarely wasted a ball, he was a leader and a playmaker but every team will suffer injuries throughout the year so there's no point in complaining about it.
Their is more pressure on Cork though IMO as they have been close to all ireland success over the last few years, they have a seasoned manager and more seasoned players where as Waterford are only now starting to build a team with a youthful manager and players. I think the goal keepers are more important now than they have ever been. Their distribution of the ball is their most important attribute and they probably hit 30+ balls during a game. If they can give their own players the advantage that's alot of extra possession around the middle third than hitting a 50/50 long ball that suits most defences.
Duel of the day - Nash V O' Keeffe

Alf Tupper

Absolutely no pressure on Waterford this Sunday.

For this set of youngsters the year has already been a success, League winners and back in Division 1A.

All the pressure is on Cork. It's last chance saloon for JBM and this team. He's now in his 3rd season with them so it's an All Ireland or nothing.

If Cork don't win this Sunday the knives will be out big time and talk and excuses about injuries won't wash.

If Waterford don't win it will be viewed as just a blip and part of the learning process for a young team. it would probably even suit them to be under the radar in the qualifiers.

thinkstoomuch1

HatchetMan7 wrote: »

Harnedy passed himself fit 2 weeks ago so i'd expect him to start Sunday and i'd also think that Shanahan will start too. Even though the bookies have Cork as clear favourites this game will be close. Listening to people down in Waterford they're very wary as its difficult to beat any team twice in close proximity never mind a team like Cork. Pauric Mahoneys loss is huge as he'll probably get at least 2/3 more points from frees than any other freetaker we have but he was also our most economical player when in possession. He rarely wasted a ball, he was a leader and a playmaker but every team will suffer injuries throughout the year so there's no point in complaining about it.
Their is more pressure on Cork though IMO as they have been close to all ireland success over the last few years, they have a seasoned manager and more seasoned players where as Waterford are only now starting to build a team with a youthful manager and players. I think the goal keepers are more important now than they have ever been. Their distribution of the ball is their most important attribute and they probably hit 30+ balls during a game. If they can give their own players the advantage that's alot of extra possession around the middle third than hitting a 50/50 long ball that suits most defences.
Duel of the day - Nash V O' Keeffe

He expected to train since that two week period but only trained once in the Saturday and last night so not fully fit
The waterford thread view nor when I was in Waterford view doesn't corresponding your view in they expect to win
Loose Sunday and doubts at start year begin surface again as the value league will be questioned when waterford couldn't beat depleted cork

thinkstoomuch1

Alf Tupper wrote: »

Absolutely no pressure on Waterford this Sunday.

For this set of youngsters the year has already been a success, League winners and back in Division 1A.

All the pressure is on Cork. It's last chance saloon for JBM and this team. He's now in his 3rd season with them so it's an All Ireland or nothing.

If Cork don't win this Sunday the knives will be out big time and talk and excuses about injuries won't wash.

If Waterford don't win it will be viewed as just a blip and part of the learning process for a young team. it would probably even suit them to be under the radar in the qualifiers.

You made an incorrect statement there that you're quoting as fact when not in my opinion but this is a fact jbm is not in he's third season but actually he's fourth
He was there in 12. 13, 14. 15 so you count and add them that's actually four in total
You while incorrect in your season count you are correct huge pressure jbm but not since injury have surfaces as cork don't expect to win Sunday imo

sean mac

Alf Tupper wrote: »

Absolutely no pressure on Waterford this Sunday.

For this set of youngsters the year has already been a success, League winners and back in Division 1A.

All the pressure is on Cork. It's last chance saloon for JBM and this team. He's now in his 3rd season with them so it's an All Ireland or nothing.

If Cork don't win this Sunday the knives will be out big time and talk and excuses about injuries won't wash.

If Waterford don't win it will be viewed as just a blip and part of the learning process for a young team. it would probably even suit them to be under the radar in the qualifiers.

Alf,
JBM is in his fourth year, has to deliver for cork sunday. Omahoneys loss is far bigger then mcloughlin. Mcloughlin is a decent wing back no more,omahoney a superb player and even better free taker a massive loss.
Cahalane is no loss as he isnt good enough at this level,bringibg back murphy shows how weak this cork squad is, but its the right call. Corks nos 19-30 are not good enough at this level, joyce is a loss a fine player but cork have hac loads of time to prepare fur this and only poor management wont have this issue at 3 sorted.In saying all that cork are favourites due to motivation from league and omahoney missong,but thos cork team is mentally brittle an managemt arw very slow to react so wateford have agreat chance-cork by 2/3 points

thinkstoomuch1

sean mac wrote: »

Alf,
JBM is in his fourth year, has to deliver for cork sunday. Omahoneys loss is far bigger then mcloughlin. Mcloughlin is a decent wing back no more,omahoney a superb player and even better free taker a massive loss.
Cahalane is no loss as he isnt good enough at this level,bringibg back murphy shows how weak this cork squad is, but its the right call. Corks nos 19-30 are not good enough at this level, joyce is a loss a fine player but cork have hac loads of time to prepare fur this and only poor management wont have this issue at 3 sorted.In saying all that cork are favourites due to motivation from league and omahoney missong,but thos cork team is mentally brittle an managemt arw very slow to react so wateford have agreat chance-cork by 2/3 points

They haven't really many options this year to sort full back
Who could they put in that's better than Sunday option???
Murphy call is not the right call when he's never perform well at full back if so name the game
Cahalane is a huge loss when doubts remain against kk this world remain he's well able for Waterford and two games last year proved that unlike Murphy has played full back and there's no better option than cahalane so unless there's better he is indeed a huge loss
He wasn't facing kilkenny Sunday to be fair

Your point regards lorcan misses the point who better than him
Lorcan isn't greatest centre back around or half bit he's best in cork so who is better and mahony frees can be levelled out but lorcan sweeping and options short puck outs is huge huge loss and he's always perform well against waterford etc


Your fascinated with this mental brittle nonsense and I'm sure Sunday cork loose you will question Matthews training cause he ain't a cork man just like you single out flangan in football and loughrey the same without actually looking at other reasons

The management imo are hugely blame for conor sullivan and I agree the bench itself but full back is problem they not fault now for
There's nothing mentally soft regards cork in character got them to all Ireland final and refuses give up
Last year it was non show of tactics and total system failure lost to tipp that I said it then blamed jbm totally for and he even said himself since he was to blame
Nothing to do with softness of characters if you're beaten by awful tactics or injury depleted squad or simply better teams
We will hear the usual talk cork are soft in football when they loose this year when it's nonsense reason cork will loose will be over no plan a or b and poor coaching but of course players be asked are they soft


Cork character under jbm has always been excellent to be fair

thinkstoomuch1

I think if cork go out early of the championship this year before the all Ireland series jbm will walk and then huge worries exist and god only knows who ccb appointment manager with short few viable options available having imo no realistic chance of getting the job and they be lucky get an interview

Jbm for all he's tactical issues at least has no ego and humble enough to walk away when he knows it's time to go
Cork will find there's lot worse him when he goes unfortunately
Loose Sunday and qualifier route is tricky
Waterford are under huge pressure as if they loose and meet clare who play their style but clare much better as Waterford copied clare when clare refined their style will struggle if waterford have fully fit side beat them


Cunningham huge huge loss to clare now but if clare had mcgrath him and bulger they would beat waterford
Clare be huge test for cork however cork have adapted clare system and won't fear them but waterford imo facing clare be a terrible draw for them as clare system will counter waterford and clare can score freely something waterford have yet to do from play
They would also get goals that waterford full back line

Hurleratheart

seventh7 wrote: »

Very good news for underage Cork Hurling and Christian's will be a welcome addition to the Harty Cup ranks.
A very interesting underage tournament in Wexford yesterday played in some of the worst conditions I have seen. Cork A were beaten in all games whilst the B side going unbeaten through their tournament entered the A tournament where they faced Tipp A in the Semi final of plate. Tipp A had beaten Cork A in the group phases. What followed was a super game played by two teams giving 100% in very trying conditions. Sean O Meara was very influential in the Cork back line clearing his lines on many occasions when danger was present. Aided by the very neat Kyle Power at full back Cork hurled with great passion. They hunted in packs and closed down the Tipp forwards very effectively. Cork were tireless at midfield with Daire Crotty and John Cooper operating at full pace in a game that would have graced any pitch. This kid John Cooper is one to watch pace power and super attitude to go with it. Player of the tournament in the recent Kerry minor tournament. The competition between the Tipp centre back and the cork centre forward was unreal you could hear the thuds when they met shoulder to shoulder. Killian Ahern Na Parsaigh was simply outstanding,work rate,distribution. vision and his run and finish for the Cork goal which settled the match was sublime. Cork have brought in new blood to squads and this has added impetus to the 17 squads.
On to the Plate final where the Cork side were pitted against a Kilkenny side narrow victors over the aforementioned A Squad. The game was over at half time as cork blitzed Kilkenny with two early goals and led 2-3 to 3 points at half time. A dogged fight back came from Kilkenny who goaled early in the second half but cork ran out victors by 4 points in the end.
The A final was dour affair between Limerick A and Wexford Gold, where Wexford completely dominated Limerick who looked a very tired outfit.
Cork A were very disapointing they lacked passion and were overwhelmed by Kilkeny and Tipp. If memory seves me correctly they only scored one point in the Tipp game. Looking at the Cork Team sheets on the program was a deja vu sceanario as bulk of the names on the A side have been there since u14 level Tony Foristal tournament. This blend have never been effective at this level and its time to break up the comfort zone put out two really balanced u17 sides instead of labeling teams A or B as it did not work in this instance. Players like Paul Lyons, Jack Ryan, Stephen Condon deseve to be on winning sides and not feel the disapointment of continually losing with Cork sides. Young players need to be built up and confidence and a winning mentality have to be nurtured. Huge kudos to Fergus Ryan and Trevor Allen who have brought on some of these kids to new heights. No need for negativity here we have a surplus of hurling riches, we just need put the parts together in the right way and the future will be very bright.

Out of interest seventh were the 17s on minor panel playing?

Likes of Healy gunning coughlan saich etc would made huge diffrence to an A team?

Connorzee

Just had a quick look at the Waterford thread and everyone seems to be "buzzing" for sunday, with one stating he hasnt felt the same since the 98-08 time period. I dont know is there the same feeling here? In fairness they have every right to be "buzzing" for it. They're going in as huge favourites, not taking into account the bookies which is flawed in itself, after hammering us in the league final.

It's going to be tough for us. We can only hope i suppose.

seventh7

Healy, Saich were named on the squad but I did not see them, Gunning was not present, Coughlan is overage and not involved with these squads, Both O' Learys played, Beausang was injured I believe.

Hurleratheart

seventh7 wrote: »

Healy, Saich were named on the squad but I did not see them, Gunning was not present, Coughlan is overage and not involved with these squads, Both O' Learys played, Beausang was injured I believe.

Thanks

Lads missing from teams all over I suspect

But those lads a big loss to any team

seventh7

If we are lucky and we can pull the best of them through to minor we could be looking at a 2 year cycle which could be very promising. We have the talent no doubt we just need to put like minded kids on the pitch together and let them express themselves.

Scarecrow 2

Cork 21s beat limerick on limerick last night 2-19 to 1-19.

Only got reports from a father but he said cork played well and are minus a lot of players that are injured and exams and he thinks peter kelleher after opting to only play football since called up to senior panel. Limerick had strong team with cian lynch centre forward. Cork played

Conor Twomey got injured last weekend . Aaron ward broke hand for Douglas. Cathal Cormac also out. Stephen murphy injured.

team was something like Barry
, Shane hegarty , Dennehy, sean o Donoghue , Dave Noonan, o keefe??. Cash man. Cahalane, Brennan fermoy?? Kevin o Neill, killian o Connor. mark o Connor, Geary , Donal hannon.

sean mac

Ttm,
This team has been HAMMERED in a munster final,2 league finals,an all ireland final and have won 1 out of 5 finals, they are brittle so get real.
As for mcloughlin you are deliberately missing the point I make, he is a loss but not near as big a loss as omahoney for waterford. Cahalane has never performed to the level required at senior hurling from what i have seen and is no loss,although every time he performs poorly we hear after that he is carrying an injury!!!!,brian murphy is the best defender in cork and will and CAN play at 3,it was the right call from a management who nade a balls of losing osullivan.
As for matthews i have my doubts but thats my opinion not fact, this cork team by the FACT of getting HOSED in so many finals is mentally brittle, but for one off games they can do well and will on sunday against a waterford team with a far brighter long term future .

thinkstoomuch1

sean mac wrote: »

Ttm,
This team has been HAMMERED in a munster final,2 league finals,an all ireland final and have won 1 out of 5 finals, they are brittle so get real.
As for mcloughlin you are deliberately missing the point I make, he is a loss but not near as big a loss as omahoney for waterford. Cahalane has never performed to the level required at senior hurling from what i have seen and is no loss,although every time he performs poorly we hear after that he is carrying an injury!!!!,brian murphy is the best defender in cork and will and CAN play at 3,it was the right call from a management who nade a balls of losing osullivan.
As for matthews i have my doubts but thats my opinion not fact, this cork team by the FACT of getting HOSED in so many finals is mentally brittle, but for one off games they can do well and will on sunday against a waterford team with a far brighter long term future .

They're not brittle in you must realise they were never given a remote chance beating clare in munster the ist day never mind getting all Ireland final but the famine and lack under age in cork means cork suffer but characters showers that year after defeats and last year munster was admirable


Beaten by tipp in fact humiliation was down to half backs playing corner and vice versa and numerous lads out position

When has Murphy played well at full back for cork
The game and date please


Murphy got absolutely crucified by honan league two years ago in cork under high ball
For all cahalane problems he's ten times better full back than Murphy

Murphy is not or never will be a full back and could survive Sunday but kilkenny and tipp and limerick if there cute enough or clare last that long with injury would clean him out at full back play


On what basis waterford brighter future with absolutely certainty
If I'm correct you didn't rate mcgrath either from the start so are you convinced after one league victory where cork clearly off pace with no intention or injury and only team beat really was tipp

One swallow never made a summer and surely you realise that from cork football
Lorcan huge huge loss and again who replaces lorcan
So if he's not huge loss give me a replacement
Mahony is huge loss but half fit shanahan can still get frees to be fair dint have be fully fit get them
Throw in Joyce and harnedy huge lack fitness that's three central players out for cork


In the munster final I suggest you rewatch it again as cork were only two points or so down up to an hour gone down a man in hottest day year with injured players no panel such lack depth meant cussen got only game year cork and last as a sub but limerick struggled best cork

Cork never threw in the towel but we're out on their feet
There's a huge difference between out on your feet beaten and actually loosing with out dying on the field boots on mentality



Also regards matthews cork fitness has never been a problem and seriously greatest respect you need to judge on what lad brings table not just cause he's outside cork man
He's tip top fitness coach and proved that last three years and we'll if it takes you there years and counting to still be convinced fair enough


You have rates Flanagan here during the league after originally doubting he's concerns so hopefully when cork unfortunately loose this year you will keep this in mind regards flangan and not suddenly blame he's fitness level cork loose but realise logical reasons cork loose in flangan like matthews have absolutely zero input tactical picking teams


You also would do well to remember cahalane has too hip replacement last year struggled v limerick had taken off with injury
Are you suggesting he's faking injury as that's imo what your saying
Cahalane the dog on the street knows has struggled all year with injury to be fair now

youngbob

Connorzee wrote: »

Just had a quick look at the Waterford thread and everyone seems to be "buzzing" for sunday, with one stating he hasnt felt the same since the 98-08 time period. I dont know is there the same feeling here? In fairness they have every right to be "buzzing" for it. They're going in as huge favourites, not taking into account the bookies which is flawed in itself, after hammering us in the league final.

It's going to be tough for us. We can only hope i suppose.

Bookies aren't foolish at all. the reason why Cork are favs is because Waterford fans aren't putting their money on their team. If they were as confident as they say they are their money would be on & bookies would adjust the odds.As for this talk Cork are a bigger county therefore they should win is schoolboy logic..every year Dublin should beat Kk, Limerick should beat Clare. ah shur we'll give Dublin the double every year, they have the biggest population. every match starts 15 vs 15. If Waterford lose on Sunday they could be in shock for the year. beating Cork by 10pts 4wks ago being league champs & going out of Munster in their 1st game in unthinkable in my eyes

thinkstoomuch1

youngbob wrote: »

Bookies aren't foolish at all. the reason why Cork are favs is because Waterford fans aren't putting their money on their team. If they were as confident as they say they are their money would be on & bookies would adjust the odds.As for this talk Cork are a bigger county therefore they should win is schoolboy logic..every year Dublin should beat Kk, Limerick should beat Clare. ah shur we'll give Dublin the double every year, they have the biggest population. every match starts 15 vs 15. If Waterford lose on Sunday they could be in shock for the year. beating Cork by 10pts 4wks ago being league champs & going out of Munster in their 1st game in unthinkable in my eyes

Outstanding post bob