Cork GAA Discussion Thread

seventh7 · 02-06-2015 01:55PM

Very good news for underage Cork Hurling and Christian's will be a welcome addition to the Harty Cup ranks.
A very interesting underage tournament in Wexford yesterday played in some of the worst conditions I have seen. Cork A were beaten in all games whilst the B side going unbeaten through their tournament entered the A tournament where they faced Tipp A in the Semi final of plate. Tipp A had beaten Cork A in the group phases. What followed was a super game played by two teams giving 100% in very trying conditions. Sean O Meara was very influential in the Cork back line clearing his lines on many occasions when danger was present. Aided by the very neat Kyle Power at full back Cork hurled with great passion. They hunted in packs and closed down the Tipp forwards very effectively. Cork were tireless at midfield with Daire Crotty and John Cooper operating at full pace in a game that would have graced any pitch. This kid John Cooper is one to watch pace power and super attitude to go with it. Player of the tournament in the recent Kerry minor tournament. The competition between the Tipp centre back and the cork centre forward was unreal you could hear the thuds when they met shoulder to shoulder. Killian Ahern Na Parsaigh was simply outstanding,work rate,distribution. vision and his run and finish for the Cork goal which settled the match was sublime. Cork have brought in new blood to squads and this has added impetus to the 17 squads.
On to the Plate final where the Cork side were pitted against a Kilkenny side narrow victors over the aforementioned A Squad. The game was over at half time as cork blitzed Kilkenny with two early goals and led 2-3 to 3 points at half time. A dogged fight back came from Kilkenny who goaled early in the second half but cork ran out victors by 4 points in the end.
The A final was dour affair between Limerick A and Wexford Gold, where Wexford completely dominated Limerick who looked a very tired outfit.
Cork A were very disapointing they lacked passion and were overwhelmed by Kilkeny and Tipp. If memory seves me correctly they only scored one point in the Tipp game. Looking at the Cork Team sheets on the program was a deja vu sceanario as bulk of the names on the A side have been there since u14 level Tony Foristal tournament. This blend have never been effective at this level and its time to break up the comfort zone put out two really balanced u17 sides instead of labeling teams A or B as it did not work in this instance. Players like Paul Lyons, Jack Ryan, Stephen Condon deseve to be on winning sides and not feel the disapointment of continually losing with Cork sides. Young players need to be built up and confidence and a winning mentality have to be nurtured. Huge kudos to Fergus Ryan and Trevor Allen who have brought on some of these kids to new heights. No need for negativity here we have a surplus of hurling riches, we just need put the parts together in the right way and the future will be very bright.

commonsense. · 02-06-2015 02:21PM

seventh7 wrote: »

Very good news for underage Cork Hurling and Christian's will be a welcome addition to the Harty Cup ranks.
A very interesting underage tournament in Wexford yesterday played in some of the worst conditions I have seen. Cork A were beaten in all games whilst the B side going unbeaten through their tournament entered the A tournament where they faced Tipp A in the Semi final of plate. Tipp A had beaten Cork A in the group phases. What followed was a super game played by two teams giving 100% in very trying conditions. Sean O Meara was very influential in the Cork back line clearing his lines on many occasions when danger was present. Aided by the very neat Kyle Power at full back Cork hurled with great passion. They hunted in packs and closed down the Tipp forwards very effectively. Cork were tireless at midfield with Daire Crotty and John Cooper operating at full pace in a game that would have graced any pitch. This kid John Cooper is one to watch pace power and super attitude to go with it. Player of the tournament in the recent Kerry minor tournament. The competition between the Tipp centre back and the cork centre forward was unreal you could hear the thuds when they met shoulder to shoulder. Killian Ahern Na Parsaigh was simply outstanding,work rate,distribution. vision and his run and finish for the Cork goal which settled the match was sublime. Cork have brought in new blood to squads and this has added impetus to the 17 squads.
On to the Plate final where the Cork side were pitted against a Kilkenny side narrow victors over the aforementioned A Squad. The game was over at half time as cork blitzed Kilkenny with two early goals and led 2-3 to 3 points at half time. A dogged fight back came from Kilkenny who goaled early in the second half but cork ran out victors by 4 points in the end.
The A final was dour affair between Limerick A and Wexford Gold, where Wexford completely dominated Limerick who looked a very tired outfit.
Cork A were very disapointing they lacked passion and were overwhelmed by Kilkeny and Tipp. If memory seves me correctly they only scored one point in the Tipp game. Looking at the Cork Team sheets on the program was a deja vu sceanario as bulk of the names on the A side have been there since u14 level Tony Foristal tournament. This blend have never been effective at this level and its time to break up the comfort zone put out two really balanced u17 sides instead of labeling teams A or B as it did not work in this instance. Players like Paul Lyons, Jack Ryan, Stephen Condon deseve to be on winning sides and not feel the disapointment of continually losing with Cork sides. Young players need to be built up and confidence and a winning mentality have to be nurtured. Huge kudos to Fergus Ryan and Trevor Allen who have brought on some of these kids to new heights. No need for negativity here we have a surplus of hurling riches, we just need put the parts together in the right way and the future will be very bright.

Agree with you no need for negativity.
Would have thought Killian Ahern would have been in the 'A' team. Are we certain these are not balanced squads? At least that would help explain the'B' team beating the teams that had beaten our 'A' team.

seventh7 · 02-06-2015 02:56PM

commonsense. wrote: »

Agree with you ne need for negativity.
Would have thought Killian Ahern would have been in the 'A' team. Are we certain these are not balanced squads? At least that would help explain the'B' team beating the teams that had beaten our 'A' team.

A valid point perhaps, I hope. I think the experiment may have been valuable if they were. Ahern and Cooper must surely not be far of the Top of the pile. I think for the sake of the kids and the pressures they are under that Corcaigh and Cork are much better options for labeling teams going forward. Its a mindset we need to change I felt very sorry for the Kids on the A team because the illusion of being on an a squad has been sold very hard to kids and its some deception to be beaten out the gap on a regular basis. Its all positive, we have as good or better players as any county and we just need to get them through.

Orizio · 02-06-2015 03:43PM

commonsense. wrote: »

http://www.rebelog.ie/news/360356/Rebel_Og_Award_for_May_to_CBC

Good news for Cork hurling. Munster rugby won't be happy.

Quote from the Principal

“Rugby has been the main traditional sport in CBC down through the years. However, the school is now anxious to facilitate all students in playing the sport of their choice. In particular, the school is fortunate at this time to have a large number of talented hurlers and a number of teachers who are senior hurling coaches at club level. Thus, the school has decided to further develop hurling as a main sport in both the Preparatory School, who are today in a Sciath na Scol hurling final, and also in the Secondary School in order to give every pupil who enrols in any year in the College, throughout Junior or Senior cycle, the opportunity to compete in all inter-schools competitions to the highest level, including the Harty Cup.”

Dr L Jordan, Principal

I'm pretty sure Munster Rugby doesn't obsess about every little thing other sports do.

Horse84 · 02-06-2015 03:56PM

Orizio wrote: »

I'm pretty sure Munster Rugby doesn't obsess about every little thing other sports do.

I disagree. You can be damn sure the powers that be at Munster rugby will be looking at this with concern. CBC is a huge rugby school and many ex pupils have gone onto the academy there. You couple this with the growing concern about concussion especially to young players and you could see a growing trend away from rugby in some places.
In any case a good news story for cork hurling surely. It does raise the question whether it will actually contribute to a cork school winning a Harty though with amalgamations.

N20 · 02-06-2015 04:14PM

commonsense. wrote: »

http://www.rebelog.ie/news/360356/Rebel_Og_Award_for_May_to_CBC

Good news for Cork hurling. Munster rugby won't be happy.

Quote from the Principal

“Rugby has been the main traditional sport in CBC down through the years. However, the school is now anxious to facilitate all students in playing the sport of their choice. In particular, the school is fortunate at this time to have a large number of talented hurlers and a number of teachers who are senior hurling coaches at club level. Thus, the school has decided to further develop hurling as a main sport in both the Preparatory School, who are today in a Sciath na Scol hurling final, and also in the Secondary School in order to give every pupil who enrols in any year in the College, throughout Junior or Senior cycle, the opportunity to compete in all inter-schools competitions to the highest level, including the Harty Cup.”

Dr L Jordan, Principal

I had heard they were to compete in Harty last year but withdrew for some reason - a shame -O Halloran, O Flynn, Hennessy would have been well ble to compete at that level

Delighted to see they have had a change of 'hart' !

They pushed Tulla all the way in B final

I hope it's not just lip service - a lot of talented hurlers languished in Christians over the years

commonsense. · 02-06-2015 04:23PM

Horse84 wrote: »

I disagree. You can be damn sure the powers that be at Munster rugby will be looking at this with concern. CBC is a huge rugby school and many ex pupils have gone onto the academy there. You couple this with the growing concern about concussion especially to young players and you could see a growing trend away from rugby in some places.
In any case a good news story for cork hurling surely. It does raise the question whether it will actually contribute to a cork school winning a Harty though with amalgamations.

You're spot on. The whole concussion thing has to be a major concern to the rugby fraternity. The Mammies of Ireland are getting nervous about letting their little angels take to the rugby fields and this threat to rugby isn't going away anytime soon.

CORKDOUBLE · 02-06-2015 04:48PM

Sean Kellys proposals on how to run the All Senior football Championship is the best idea and nobody in Croke Park has even mentioned it when talking about ideas ....the Kerrymans idea would work and its not often I will praise a Kerryman !

Pos087 · 02-06-2015 06:59PM

CORKDOUBLE wrote: »

Sean Kellys proposals on how to run the All Senior football Championship is the best idea and nobody in Croke Park has even mentioned it when talking about ideas ....the Kerrymans idea would work and its not often I will praise a Kerryman !

Could you expand please.

zetecescort · 02-06-2015 09:44PM

At tonights meeting the Board approved the reappointment of the Under 21 Football selection committee for a two year period.

The selection committee for 2016/2017 -

Seán Hayes (Nemo Rangers)
Gene O'Driscoll (Tadhg MacCárthaigh)

Sean Bownes (Castlemartyr)

Niall Kelleher (Millstreet)

Aidan Kelleher (Clondrohid]

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Hurleratheart · 03-06-2015 07:57AM

commonsense. wrote: »

First things first, best wishes to Shane for a complete and speedy recovery.

Secondly, we will beat Limerick.

Yes Shane is a massive loss. But I've said it before, this Cork panel is blessed with great forwards and the team won't be short on scoring power. I'm not for a second saying that he is replaceable - a player of his pace and power isn't. But Cork can still put 6 serious forwards on the pitch that are a match for any in the country. And they will still have quality subs who can impact. By the way expect Sean Powter to be officially added to the panel and furthermore expect him to play some part against limerick. This guy when he gets 6 weeks hurling under his belt will be formidable.

I've also said before that if this team has a weakness (and 'weakness' is a relative term) it's from numbers 2 to 7. This is the area that will need attention for next day out. I fully expect management to address these issues for the Limerick game. Expect positional changes from the the first outing and probably one personnel change also.

The psychology of this fixture has changed in Kingstons absence and in a funny way I think it has changed in Cork's favour. No longer will our guys be thinking that this is going to be a repeat handy win . Don't under estimate the importance of young fellas mind set for big matches. Cork will now have a 'backs to the wall' mentality which is bad news for Limerick.
This is an opportunity for other guys to stand up and I have no doubt that they will.

I for one will be booking my ticket for Munster final day as I fully expect cork to contest their first minor final since 2008.

You called it CS heard Pouter kept on and Sherlock to

4 let go 2 Douglas lads O brine and Murphy - very very harsh both there from the very start, 2 Rochestown lads they areas well
Sean Howard from Dromtarriff another one let go

heard Conor twomey done his hamstring training with seniors so could be out for 21 game on 17th - bad luck he was playing very well

Still nothing definte for harnedy for Sunday yet ?

seventh7 · 03-06-2015 11:22AM

Hurleratheart wrote: »

You called it CS heard Pouter kept on and Sherlock to

4 let go 2 Douglas lads O brine and Murphy - very very harsh both there from the very start, 2 Rochestown lads they areas well
Sean Howard from Dromtarriff another one let go

heard Conor twomey done his hamstring training with seniors so could be out for 21 game on 17th - bad luck he was playing very well

Still nothing definte for harnedy for Sunday yet ?

does anyone have the full minor panel as it stands now.

Hurleratheart · 03-06-2015 11:45AM

seventh7 wrote: »

does anyone have the full minor panel as it stands now.

I'd say 24 as per panel v limrick but minus Kingston - changes manly from extended panel I'd say

seventh7 · 03-06-2015 12:12PM

Hurleratheart wrote: »

I'd say 24 as per panel v limrick but minus Kingston - changes manly from extended panel I'd say

Very tough for the lads that were cut, not a lot to be gained at this stage having kids cut from the extended panel.

thinkstoomuch1 · 03-06-2015 12:21PM

zetecescort wrote: »

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Outstanding news and credit the ccb for applying logic and making the appointment uncomplicated by reappointment of Hayes and co for two years and thankfully we have one proven management along with the junior set up

However two wheels on a car never alone gave it balance so cork need a full house and minor must be looked at now and senior when the season unfortunately ends poorly needs be also

We need four levels of good management
Under twenty one was correctly ratified early so it allows the management look at players in senior grade now in the summer

There record speaks for itself beating kerry twice and loosing to roscommon with an awful referee in Nolan and then loosing to an outstanding tipp team in tipp by a point with a load of lads missing so they have been outstanding

Minor management should be done and dusted last night as two years these management only beaten waterford and limerick so should be gone
Worry is they will get an extension

The under twenty one have superb talent coming up with superb management but have no doubt kerry once jack is there will win munster next year or two and cork won't dominate as before but one point is unlike the shambolic senior set up cork will always be competitive under Hayes and gene and actually have a chance before the game and not beaten before a ball is thrown in

Kingston is a huge huge loss to the minor in not that he can't be replaced by other skill full players it's he twice in this and last year was outstanding v limerick and in munster football finals and in munster school finals in hurling and football he's big game experience so that leadership and being the only starter from last year eligible this year although looney was a sub is huge loss

Powter offers big game experience to be fair from rochestown and cork minors football where he outstanding v kerry this year so while earlier in the year I wouldn't have him ahead of others certainly is the nearest to Kingston in terms of will and leadership to replace him

Cork forward have the talent to win but like I said from day one the team picked the ist day was never cork strongest and cork were holding back and they had to as the same team wouldn't beat limerick twice but this team with defence changes could however the fact it's in limerick and Kingston huge loss it's not impossible but it's a huge ask all the same

As for Sunday a fully fit cork imo would beat waterford but Joyce loss was compounded by lorcan and harnedy who I think will start but not fit waterford should if there as good as they think they are should win this and it's a poor reflection on them even allowing for mahony loss they don't won Sunday imo

Lorcan is no padric maher or fennelly etc but he's paramount to cork in he's sweeping ability and the fact he's a ist receiver on Nash short puck outs compuned by cork lack of half back depth mean imo he's loss is huge but he should be back in around three weeks

Harnedy I think even if half fit cork have to start him and take the risk as people must remember what he brings in he's the only cork forwards with balls of steel for dirty ball, he actually plays better as the two all Ireland finals and last year munster final and he's debut v clare proved when the need is greatest

cascade12 · 03-06-2015 12:29PM

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

As for Sunday a fully fit cork imo would beat waterford but Joyce loss was compounded by lorcan and harnedy who I think will start but not fit waterford should if there as good as they think they are should win this and it's a poor reflection on them even allowing for mahony loss they don't won Sunday imo

Lorcan is no padric maher or fennelly etc but he's paramount to cork in he's sweeping ability and the fact he's a ist receiver on Nash short puck outs compuned by cork lack of half back depth mean imo he's loss is huge but he should be back in around three weeks

Harnedy I think even if half fit cork have to start him and take the risk as people must remember what he brings in he's the only cork forwards with balls of steel for dirty ball, he actually plays better as the two all Ireland finals and last year munster final and he's debut v clare proved when the need is greatest

From a Waterford point of view, I would be saying that without Daragh Fives, Daniels and Mahoney, if Cork are as good as they think they are, they should justify all the pundits and the bookies odds and win easy.

seventh7 · 03-06-2015 12:33PM

Minor management should be done and dusted last night as two years these management only beaten waterford and limerick so should be gone
Worry is they will get an extension

Well my friend I thought Donal Ring and company were the bees knees. With the talent we have available we should be punching a lot higher than we have done,

Mountainlad · 03-06-2015 12:37PM

cascade12 wrote: »

From a Waterford point of view, I would be saying that without Daragh Fives, Daniels and Mahoney, if Cork are as good as they think they are, they should justify all the pundits and the bookies odds and win easy.

Daniels is available though maybe not fit to start, but agreed. Fives and Mahony are two of our best players. I don't think McLoughlin or Joyce are two of Corks best players, and we'll see what happens with Harnedy. He would be a very big loss.

Neither side will have excuses if they lose, both are down players.

Connorzee · 03-06-2015 12:48PM

Mountainlad wrote: »

Daniels is available though maybe not fit to start, but agreed. Fives and Mahony are two of our best players. I don't think McLoughlin or Joyce are two of Corks best players, and we'll see what happens with Harnedy. He would be a very big loss.

Neither side will have excuses if they lose, both are down players.

Shur Fives and Daniels werent there for the League final either and look how well ye did..

Cork are massive underdogs. We're just hoping we can keep the ball pucked out to ye

Mountainlad · 03-06-2015 12:56PM

Connorzee wrote: »

Shur Fives and Daniels werent there for the League final either and look how well ye did..

Cork are massive underdogs. We're just hoping we can keep the ball pucked out to ye

Some ****e now lads in fairness. TTMs been saying that Cork would hammer is since December, and now apparently a decent but not outstanding player is out in McLoughlin and the world has turned on its head.

Harnedy is outstanding, and I would be disappointed if we didn't win if he misses out. Fully expect to see him on the field though on Sunday. And then if it doesn't for right for him ye can tell us how he was only half fit. Or maybe if he scores for points ye can use it as a stick to beat us with, 'and sure he was only half fit, what are Waterford'.

Just make sure ye have all the angles covered.

cascade12 · 03-06-2015 12:57PM

Mountainlad wrote: »

Daniels is available though maybe not fit to start, but agreed. Fives and Mahony are two of our best players. I don't think McLoughlin or Joyce are two of Corks best players, and we'll see what happens with Harnedy. He would be a very big loss.

Neither side will have excuses if they lose, both are down players.

Agreed. No excuses on Sunday, both teams missing important players although Waterfrds loss is definitely greater and both with their talismen Harnedy and Shanahan possibly only half fit. But as a Waterford man I would not be using that as an excuse if we lose on Sunday, if Cork win we will salute the better team on the day. TTM was saying last December that Derek Mcgrath needed to be winning challenge and Crystal Cup matches and that Cork were absolute certainties to beat Waterford in June. He is now saying that Waterford, even without Fives , Mahoney, Daniels and a half fit Shanahan that Waterford should be beating Cork. That is some turnaround. Derek McGrath must be some manager.

thinkstoomuch1 · 03-06-2015 01:07PM

seventwe740779 wrote:

Minor management should be done and dusted last night as two years these management only beaten waterford and limerick so should be gone
Worry is they will get an extension

Well my friend I thought Donal Ring and company were the bees knees. With the talent we have available we should be punching a lot higher than we have done,

What are you talking about
Who is donal ring
Where did I mention the minor hurling
I'm talking about cork minor football and to be clear I was from day one and proven correct doubtful minor football management

As for ring it'd not he's the bee knees but he's record proves he's standing
Give me someone better
Ring will be judged after the limerick game however Kingston is a huge loss and ring can't be blamed for that
I agree with we should be doing better but ring is only there the last two years and last year improvements were made

seventh7 · 03-06-2015 01:15PM

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

What are you talking about
Who is donal ring
Where did I mention the minor hurling
I'm talking about cork minor football and to be clear I was from day one and proven correct doubtful minor football management

As for ring it'd not he's the bee knees but he's record proves he's standing
Give me someone better
Ring will be judged after the limerick game however Kingston is a huge loss and ring can't be blamed for that
I agree with we should be doing better but ring is only there the last two years and last year improvements were made

relax buddy I miss read your post, Limerick game will be key in evaluation of any coaching structure. Bottom line in any sport is preformances, regardless of the conditions, injuries etc the scoreline and end result are paramount. Very hard to develope a culture of success.

thinkstoomuch1 · 03-06-2015 01:28PM

cascade12 wrote: »

Agreed. No excuses on Sunday, both teams missing important players although Waterfrds loss is definitely greater and both with their talismen Harnedy and Shanahan possibly only half fit. But as a Waterford man I would not be using that as an excuse if we lose on Sunday, if Cork win we will salute the better team on the day. TTM was saying last December that Derek Mcgrath needed to be winning challenge and Crystal Cup matches and that Cork were absolute certainties to beat Waterford in June. He is now saying that Waterford, even without Fives , Mahoney, Daniels and a half fit Shanahan that Waterford should be beating Cork. That is some turnaround. Derek McGrath must be some manager.

Five's as good as he is there's no debate he'd strength the defence more so in the system is already compact to a point
Daniels like wise
Shanahan I'm a huge fan but he's not on top form yet and mahony yes I agree a huge loss
In January I didn't know cork would be with out lorcan or Joyce or harnedy and there huge huge losses to cork in central position for cork and cork losses are more significant in cork are loosing huge defence player with no cover

Waterford have mahony out but once frees are sorted yere main aera of scoring ye won't be affected too much against a cork defence in huge trouble in depth when as great as he was Murphy being recalled shows where cork at and Waterford are I expect to win in light of our injury problems android if they don't then it's a poor reflection imo on them as all this talk about national league champions being true value v cork in the league win, sorry now but if ye want that accolade then ye got to walk the walk and ye should if yere by yere own quarters blew cotk off the field ye should be winning Sunday and ye will suffer a huge set back if ye loose

Jbm is under huge pressure however if cork loose once lorcan and harnedy are fit cork are strengthened
It's not getting in excuses early I'm just giving my view
Understanding ye will have a different view I respect that but once cork are competitive Sunday is my aim as harnedy is absolutely huge huge huge player for cork was is cork Paul o connell and henry shefflin value to cotk in harnedy has drive and will and hunger to win a ball and score when the team needs it

Horgan may well score flashy points when cork are on a roll but harnedy is the only proven consistent forward cork have that will score when needed and people must remember a injury depleted team beat clare in munster two years ago but only cause harnedy three points on he's man of the match debut that absolutely carried cork to victory
That's how great he is and that's he's debut
Now two years on he's a huge huge player to cork and what I'm hearing if true I think he's huge huge loss as I don't think he's fully fit but we have to risk him
I don't do mind games I call it as is, you dont like it well not much I can do about it
I said cork would loose the league final and at half time said cork to loose heavily
I was right

Cork imo I hope I'm wrong to loose Sunday but not that I lack believe or think we're inferior to waterford just our injuries have crippled this team
Clare with a bigger panel were exposed v limerick and now with cunningham out are in huge trouble and due to depleted squad
Cork are the same with a lesser panel than waterford
Waterford I expect to win but I won't be saying their all ireland winners after Sunday
Paudie palmer who I rarely agree with was right when he said that this game is really Turing in to a game where injury to players are the main story
Waterford to win however eight years ago with three cork players out over semple gate ye struggled to beat cork so waterford as history proves don't do favourites well and when you expect them to win they can flatter to deceive in such games as the records show

thinkstoomuch1 · 03-06-2015 01:32PM

seventh7 wrote: »

relax buddy I miss read your post, Limerick game will be key in evaluation of any coaching structure. Bottom line in any sport is preformances, regardless of the conditions, injuries etc the scoreline and end result are paramount. Very hard to develope a culture of success.

I totally agree results are absolutely key and cork minors need a win
Regards injury I don't like excuses but if injury rob teams best lads with no replacement as good as them to come in it imo has to be considered

thinkstoomuch1 · 03-06-2015 01:47PM

Connorzee wrote: »

Shur Fives and Daniels werent there for the League final either and look how well ye did..

Cork are massive underdogs. We're just hoping we can keep the ball pucked out to ye

Absolutely were playing as louganne and Noel hickey said realistic all Ireland contenders and this team with an absolutely bran new system that invented hurling to new heights they took hurling to where no man took it before is the talk
It's like going to the cinema and watching a double bill of the untouchables and star trek in they can't be beaten and there the modern science of hurling

National league champions and all talk from waterford is there ahead of cork
I think we have get a lot of breaks and luck and hopefully their new found status of as one paper said kings of the game means they take their eye of the ball
I geuinely do think they will win but there not as good as they think and I say cody is smiling away
The excellent under twenty one game last night let's be fair had more intensity than the league final
I hear Histon was called up to the football team and he's superb player but I really think this is just panic from cuthbert crew in white was called up with kiely last year and then dropped fast again
Histon huge potential but no need cork call up defenders we have plenty but again cork management at senior don't do logic as judging by their records and calling up hurley great club keeper but older over price shows this perception of management on players is absolutely appalling for a senior intercounty set up

Hurley is outstanding club keeper and was outstanding forward in minor in 99 for cork but to call him up now like paddy o shea is absolutely baffling in mellet price are better long term prospect

Rebel norrie · 03-06-2015 01:58PM

Sunday is a game where the injuries have dented both team. But we have up play the cards we have been dealt. Brian Murphy & Pa Cronin will both start for cork. Harnedy must start for cork even if only 80%fit. Hoggy must step up and be counted Sunday. Sully will be an important sub. Nash has to be pin perfect on his puck outs. I think Murph will do ok. Hope he won't be a scapegoat if we lose. All in all I hope we get 100% from every player and we won't be far away.

thinkstoomuch1 · 03-06-2015 02:25PM

Rebel norrie wrote: »

Sunday is a game where the injuries have dented both team. But we have up play the cards we have been dealt. Brian Murphy & Pa Cronin will both start for cork. Harnedy must start for cork even if only 80%fit. Hoggy must step up and be counted Sunday. Sully will be an important sub. Nash has to be pin perfect on his puck outs. I think Murph will do ok. Hope he won't be a scapegoat if we lose. All in all I hope we get 100% from every player and we won't be far away.

If horgan doesn't perform Sunday he has to simply has to be dropped as I'm sorry but he's seen as the golden boy cork hurling when to be fair many glen fans weren't too happy he's club performance last year and if he performed badly Sunday drop him
He imo has this sense he can't be dropped
Remove that comfort zone
I was a huge critic for same reason two years ago but he stepped up then in cork all Ireland run and I backed him to a hilt when many critse him after the limerick game
However he's gone back to old ways the last year walking around and drifting in and out of games and this flashy dan Ronaldo type stuff
Horgan should watch Ronaldo unbelievable skill but a poor attuide compared to the great great I mean really really really great messi now
Horgan wants be like shefflin the messi of hurling he's attuide got to change
Shefflin on top of he's game was awesome
On poor day he was still good
Horgan on top he's game awesome but when he's off form he can be absolutely terrible as performance proves and he's skill are simply outstanding but i dont blame him solely I blame cork management allowing him have a comfort zone and untouchable sense by not dropping him
If cody had him he'd be unreal as cody wouldn't entertain nonsense or show boating and he'd demand a work ethic in not none but every game
He wouldn't ask him twice to do it

Mountainlad · 03-06-2015 02:31PM

Christ almighty. What team wouldn't be some way confident playing a team they bet 4 weeks ago by 10 points? I hate to think what you'd be saying, for example, if yed won by 10 points, given you writing us off for losing a few challenge matches in December.

Pity ye threw the league final TTM given Sunday seems to be a lost cause now that yer missing half yer team. Sean Og, Ben and Joe Deane will be a big loss on Sunday but hopefully theyll be back for the next round.

Rebel norrie · 03-06-2015 02:34PM

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

If horgan doesn't perform Sunday he has to simply has to be dropped as I'm sorry but he's seen as the golden boy cork hurling when to be fair many glen fans weren't too happy he's club performance last year and if he performed badly Sunday drop him
He imo has this sense he can't be dropped
Remove that comfort zone
I was a huge critic for same reason two years ago but he stepped up then in cork all Ireland run and I backed him to a hilt when many critse him after the limerick game
However he's gone back to old ways the last year walking around and drifting in and out of games and this flashy dan Ronaldo type stuff
Horgan should watch Ronaldo unbelievable skill but a poor attuide compared to the great great I mean really really really great messi now
Horgan wants be like shefflin the messi of hurling he's attuide got to change
Shefflin on top of he's game was awesome
On poor day he was still good
Horgan on top he's game awesome but when he's off form he can be absolutely terrible as performance proves and he's skill are simply outstanding but i dont blame him solely I blame cork management allowing him have a comfort zone and untouchable sense by not dropping him
If cody had him he'd be unreal as cody wouldn't entertain nonsense or show boating and he'd demand a work ethic in not none but every game
He wouldn't ask him twice to do it

TTM. I wouldn't mention Sheflin & Hoggy in the same sentence. Sheflin always fought for his own ball. Head down take a tackle go for goal. Hoggy can't do this. Last week against Ballymartle he was flying in first half. But when his team needed him in second half he was no where to be seen. All the more reason we need harnedy to be playing sunday

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