The Sunday Game Thread

Rte should operate some kind of suspension for panelists stepping out of line.
Brollys remarks about Sean Kavanagh were bad enough but a personal insult against Marty bordered on bullying. Then he's the cheek to bemoan the 'verbals' the players fire at each other.

At least the players can respond, brollys targets don't get an opportunity...

Very Bored wrote: »

If Roscommon win the All Ireland any time in the next twenty years I'll publicly apologise :P. The point is, Roscommon are no pacesetters themselves, so for a Roscommon man to have made the comment Curran did was cheeky. If it had been a Kerryman or a Dub it would've been arrogance, but its pure neck from a county not likely to be looking at a particularly elongated summer any time soon.

As I said "utterly clueless about current/recent football form".

ProudDUB wrote: »

I've heard Curran on the radio a lot & I'd be a fan. It is usually when he is part of the weekend panel discussions about sport or the GAA in general, where he is not focusing in on one game or one player. He has talked a lot of sense on a lot of issues, when he is given time to talk.

Maybe TV is not his best environment, or maybe he is not at his best when he has just 45 seconds to get his point across, or maybe the producers let him down by not preparing him or coaching him properly. Either way, I'd cut him some slack until he has a few more shows under his belt. It was his first day on the job. How many of us made a complete haims of things in our first day on the job?

I'd agree maybe he should be given a shot at redemption PD, but my sympathy is limited I have to say as the disdainful attitude to London is clearly what he really believes..something that is unjustifiable and inaccurate in my view.

Given that London were missing a lot of players and always struggle with preparation for logistical and other reasons, the scoreline on Sunday was more than respectable IMO. Allied with the improved performance in recent years and the constant turnover in players over there, Cake doesn't really have a leg to stand on here.

KeepTheFaith wrote: »

Good analysts rarely if ever have have a night where they spout such an amount of tripe. Does anyone think we'll have to listen to the terrible standard of "analysis" we got from Curran and Whelan when Jim McGuinness does his first game as analyst on Sky? Not a hope.

Don't think it is fair to compare SC to Jim McGuinness. McGuinness is a (former) very media savvy inter county manager and a professional sports person, with a bazillion doctorates in sports science. He earns his living coaching & training & analyzing videos of players and games & breaking them down and giving feedback in a multi million pound professional sporting environment. Of course he will blow everyone else out of the water when he goes on SKY. It's a little bit unfair to expect auctioneers and school teachers and pub owners to be up to his standard.

They are also operating in an environment where anything goes and, the producers don't seem to give a $hit what the end product looks like, or sounds like. That is certainly NOT the case with SKY ! :rolleyes:

They get paid something like a grand per appearance.

If they are too busy to prepare properly, then find somebody who is

I would be amazed if they got that much.

@megadodge I never said Roscommon is a team that "can't" win matches. But if you think they are serious challengers then I think you are going to end up seriously disappointed. Also, if you think they are historically a great county, I think you should look at the record books.

I never once said they were incapable of winning matches. I said they weren't exactly pacesetters. If you can provide me with evidence to the contrary then I will gladly eat humble pie.

That my sport is hurling and I'm no football anorak is probably obvious, but I do know that Roscommon aren't likely to set the world alight any time soon. I reckon any jibes of clueless you are throwing at me are inherent of a lack of willingness to accept reality that Roscommon are not a great proponent of fine football. Reality hurts, but Roscommon is not amongst the top counties in GAA, neither is it ever likely to be.

Very Bored wrote: »

@megadodge I never said Roscommon is a team that "can't" win matches. But if you think they are serious challengers then I think you are going to end up seriously disappointed. Also, if you think they are historically a great county, I think you should look at the record books.

I never once said they were incapable of winning matches. I said they weren't exactly pacesetters. If you can provide me with evidence to the contrary then I will gladly eat humble pie.

That my sport is hurling and I'm no football anorak is probably obvious, but I do know that Roscommon aren't likely to set the world alight any time soon. I reckon any jibes of clueless you are throwing at me are inherent of a lack of willingness to accept reality that Roscommon are not a great proponent of fine football. Reality hurts, but Roscommon is not amongst the top counties in GAA, neither is it ever likely to be.

I really don't know where to start between the lies about what you said and didn't say, the strawman argument, the hypocrisy over making "jibes" and the ongoing cluelessness of Roscommon football's continuing rise at all levels.

Roscommon Senior team has been attracting a lot of attention within the media and general football supporters around the country as a team to watch after getting consecutive promotions and now are in Division 1 which by very definition consists of "the top counties in GAA".

St. Brigid's won the All-Ireland club Senior title in 2013.

St. Croan's were All-Ireland finalists in Intermediate this year.

Fuerty were All-Ireland finalists in Junior last year.

Roscommon U21s have been in two All-Ireland finals in the last three years.

Roscommon CBS won the All-Ireland 'B' title in 2011 and were Hogan Cup finalists this year.

Football in Roscommon at all levels is on the rise and you don't need to be an anorak to know that. You just need to keep your eyes and ears open. I don't think Roscommon are serious contenders yet, but bit by bit they're getting there. With the quality of young players already in situ and coming through in Roscommon right now, I'm not the only one who thinks that the next five years or so will be very interesting times in Roscommon football.

megadodge wrote: »

I really don't know where to start between the lies about what you said and didn't say, the strawman argument, the hypocrisy over making "jibes" and the ongoing cluelessness of Roscommon football's continuing rise at all levels.

Roscommon Senior team has been attracting a lot of attention within the media and general football supporters around the country as a team to watch after getting consecutive promotions and now are in Division 1 which by very definition consists of "the top counties in GAA".

St. Brigid's won the All-Ireland club Senior title in 2013.

St. Croan's were All-Ireland finalists in Intermediate this year.

Fuerty were All-Ireland finalists in Junior last year.

Roscommon U21s have been in two All-Ireland finals in the last three years.

Roscommon CBS won the All-Ireland 'B' title in 2011 and were Hogan Cup finalists this year.

Football in Roscommon at all levels is on the rise and you don't need to be an anorak to know that. You just need to keep your eyes and ears open. I don't think Roscommon are serious contenders yet, but bit by bit they're getting there. With the quality of young players already in situ and coming through in Roscommon right now, I'm not the only one who thinks that the next five years or so will be very interesting times in Roscommon football.

Yes, at underage and club level Roscommon have improved recently.

I'd be a bit cautious abut calling them a top team cos they are in Div I though.
Westmeath were in Div 1 last year, would anyone have called them a top team at the time ?.

What gets me in Curran's arrogance.
Roscommon only won by 7, they failed to pull away in the second half.
Away to London is no easy task, as Mayo and Sligo found out in recent years.
To suggest it's an unnecessary diversion for a team like Roscommon who have have not got beyond the qualifiers in the last few year is arrogance of the highest order.

I remember well two comments I heard at the 2011 Connacht final in Hyde Park.
It was Mayo v Roscommon in both minor and senior, and Roscommon were defending senior champions, while Mayo had lost to both Sligo and Longford in 2010
After the minor game I heard a Roscommon fan near me say "well that's the first half of the double done"
After the senior game I heard a Mayo fan near me say "normal service has been resumed"

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

What gets me in Curran's arrogance.
Roscommon only won by 7, they failed to pull away in the second half.
Away to London is no easy task, as Mayo and Sligo found out in recent years.
To suggest it's an unnecessary diversion for a team like Roscommon who have have not got beyond the qualifiers in the last few year is arrogance of the highest order.

As pointed out previously his comments were extremely disrespectful to all involved with the GAA in London. You have a point on his arrogance but I don't think he meant it from a Rossie point of view but a view for the 5 provincial counties. I'm definitely not trying to defend what he said and think he might have expressed that view in an ill advised or badly thought out attempt to be a heavy hitting analyst.
Either way it was cringe worthy and as you said not in keeping with the story of the game. I was actually surprised he wasn't taken to task in a bigger way by Cahill but suppose he didn't want to go to town on a guest analyst.

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

After watching it again it almost seemed like that was his stock answer about the game.
Regardless of how the game panned out he was going to have this speil about trips to London being worthless, because as you said it was not in keeping with the story of the game,

And IMO he meant it from a Roscommon point of view, Roscommon were playing, he's from Roscommon, there is no way he was talking for the whole of 'mainland' Connacht.

Yeah I only seen it "live" so to speak so you are probably right. On the basis of the game it was cringe worthy and just plain stupid. Either way I don't expect him to be on the analyst couch again anytime soon!

Very Bored wrote: »

A top GAA county is one that wins senior honours with something approaching regularity as is the definition of top at any team sport. Its also not a strawman argument to say I said Roscommon are not pacesetters. They're not! You can throw any amount of underage honours and developments under my nose but that will does not make Roscommon pacesetters. Anyway, this is getting wildly off topic. The point is that Curran's comment was outrageous and coming from a non-dominant county it lacked common sense and humility. Roscommon are not Kerry or Dublin. You can dress it up all you want but that remains fact. They haven't won an All Ireland at SENIOR level, and it was a SENIOR championship Curran was talking about, since about 1944. Not exactly setting the world alight. Curran's comment was a disgrace, it smacked of elitism, an elitism which by any measure at senior level Roscommon do not belong to.

Since curran is retired and, as far as I know, not involved in any capacity with Roscommon maybe his comments should be taken as personal and not representative of the county he used to represent, nobody can comment on another county then? Everybody is defined solely by the county they cone from/play for? A Louth man can't say cork have underachieved as they haven't won an all Ireland in ages, a waterford man can't say limerick can't win an all Ireland because they can't either? A donegal man can't say Kerry play unattractive football? IMO Currans comments were out of order because of what he said not because of what county he happens to be from.,,

Curran's opinion may not be representative of the opinions of Roscommon GAA but he does have a privileged role in being representative of Roscommon football in general. For someone to say another county has underachieved or plays unattractive football is sporting fact or opinion, to basically say another "team" has no place is vile. The fact he represents Roscommon is even firmer when its considered that there was a montage of who he was before he was introduced on the programme. What he said was disgraceful and I hope he never ends up on The Sunday Game again. That's my final statement on this issue because, frankly, this is supposed to be a discussion of The Sunday Game and it is getting violently side-tracked.