Clare GAA discussion thread

Clareman · 26-05-2015 09:36PM

citykat wrote: »

Watching the game again today, O'Donnell was the best Clare player on the pitch. Not many forwards can make Paul Murphy (x2) & Richie McCarthy look like mugs. He'd be my first name on the Clare team sheet.
I think he should have run at McCarthy more yesterday. The few times he did he had him at 6s & 7s. I was surprised that McCarthy was left on him for the entire game.

No team can cope with any of the Clare forwards running at them, the problem is because they are being out numbered the whole time they have to work too hard to get the ball it can be difficult for us to get clear score-able possibilities.

By trying so hard to nullify our opponents we are in fact nullifying ourselves.

letowski · 26-05-2015 10:26PM

In these 2 days that have past since the game, every national newspaper I have seen has a full article on Davy. It's just crazy at the moment now.

irish coldplayer · 27-05-2015 10:14AM

Mcgrath and O'Donnell would start before Honan any day in my book, and also before cunningham despite the two goals the last day.

Hidalgo · 27-05-2015 01:38PM

citykat wrote: »

Watching the game again today, O'Donnell was the best Clare player on the pitch. Not many forwards can make Paul Murphy (x2) & Richie McCarthy look like mugs. He'd be my first name on the Clare team sheet.
I think he should have run at McCarthy more yesterday. The few times he did he had him at 6s & 7s. I was surprised that McCarthy was left on him for the entire game.

No defender likes a forward running directly at them. The defenders are usually left with a hard choice, go to the man running with the ball which leaves a hole in behind or hold your ground which isn't exactly ideal either.
We spend too much time trying to perfect tactics of runs and balls to wing positions. Now of course off the ball runs are crucial, otherwise there's no space. At times however we try to play around the opposition rather than through them. I guess this is because we're not the biggest and most physical side.

Imo the above could also be part of our fouling issues. If training games see a similar tactic of forwards going around defenders rather than through them, our backs are lost and panicked when opposing teams play and run direct at us.

LMK · 27-05-2015 01:51PM

Cheese Wagstaff wrote: »

It's really an embarrassment of riches that ye have at the moment in fairness. It's frightening in fact. If you could pull it together and have a more normal game plan, the sky would truly be the limit.

I don't know about that, a lot of the backs depend on getting to the ball first, if they don't they are in trouble because they seem to have difficulty knowing how to deal with the man in possession, I think they are good hurlers but not natural defenders.
As an aside I can't understand why David McInerney isn't played centrally, either centre back or full back

mickmackey1 · 27-05-2015 02:04PM

citykat wrote: »

Watching the game again today, O'Donnell was the best Clare player on the pitch. Not many forwards can make Paul Murphy (x2) & Richie McCarthy look like mugs. He'd be my first name on the Clare team sheet.
I think he should have run at McCarthy more yesterday. The few times he did he had him at 6s & 7s. I was surprised that McCarthy was left on him for the entire game.

I hear what you're saying but in some ways its a tribute to McCarthy that he limited SOD to one point.

Mehapoy · 27-05-2015 02:45PM

mickmackey1 wrote: »

I hear what you're saying but in some ways its a tribute to McCarthy that he limited SOD to one point.

I'd say Richie would be happy to be made a 'mug' of everyday if he only concedes 1 point to his direct opponent!

thinkstoomuch1 · 27-05-2015 03:27PM

Mehapoy wrote: »

I'd say Richie would be happy to be made a 'mug' of everyday if he only concedes 1 point to his direct opponent!

That's the bottom line as good as donnell was Mccarthy still held him to a point and imo defo main contender for an all star as only man may push him for it is holden
Mccarthy always looks like he be roasted but never is and that's a great great sign
Eddie brennan said he never rated him he though he was slightly over weight and got a soft all star before but he's totally convinced him now and he rates him hugely
Brennan is a top top pundit who knows all about full backs

Fireball07 · 27-05-2015 03:39PM

I think SOD had him in big trouble early on, but he came to grips with him and the quality of Clare's ball into him also got worse.

He got a point and won a few frees. He did also win the original ball for the goal but you would have thought after Hickey's block that the chance had been averted until Cunningham really exploded.

Looking back at the game, Jack Browne actually had a very good game for Clare. We possibly didn't have a player to expose him, but he dealt with most things admirably. Gudgie showed flashes of what he can do, made a few mistakes, but that could be down to experience- he was making his debut against very tough opponents. I would hate to make my Championship debut in midfield if Jim-Bob was the opposition, he was everywhere.

Gael85 · 27-05-2015 03:49PM

letowski wrote: »

In these 2 days that have past since the game, every national newspaper I have seen has a full article on Davy. It's just crazy at the moment now.

The Footballers beat Limerick and yet the talk is about Davy Fitz. What a performance from Gary Brennan. Had a unbelievable first half kicking 4 points. He should be the getting the plaudits.

keeponhurling · 27-05-2015 03:50PM

A lot of Clare's scores came via O'Donnell
To say he was held to one point is perhaps oversimplifying it a bit

Clareman · 27-05-2015 04:53PM

Gael85 wrote: »

The Footballers beat Limerick and yet the talk is about Davy Fitz. What a performance from Gary Brennan. Had a unbelievable first half kicking 4 points. He should be the getting the plaudits.

There was a small crowd in the Park and if you ignored some of the wides it was a brilliant performance, I don't think we'll beat Cork but I don't think they'll run away with it, a lot of luck and no wides and we could have a great chance, I wouldn't fear anyone in the qualifiers though.

thinkstoomuch1 · 27-05-2015 05:26PM

Clareman wrote: »

There was a small crowd in the Park and if you ignored some of the wides it was a brilliant performance, I don't think we'll beat Cork but I don't think they'll run away with it, a lot of luck and no wides and we could have a great chance, I wouldn't fear anyone in the qualifiers though.

It's the tale of two completely contrasting set up imo in with the greatest respect to clare they would be the ist to admit as a panel they are inferior to cork however they have a proven proven management that are head and shoulders above the cork set up where the only good thing cork football has is fitness in the outstanding Flanagan as coach

Ephie knows this is not nemo he has so he'll cut he's cloth to measure
He'll try and win midfield and break even with a blanket defence in which should be organised and coherent and solid and if so cork will struggle to break down and if I was ephie I'd watch Tyrone v donegal and cavan v monaghan and see that donegal and cavan absolutely destroyed their opponents who ran in to contact by intensity in the tackle and also like the choke tackle in rugby and swarming in numbers on the runner with the ball

Watching cork it's predictable as night follows day and with o rourke a huge loss out cotk will have at least one if not two half forwards who run run and run in to contact so ephie knows from the cork scene inside out their strengths and weaknesses and he'll target that while also realise cork defence the worst in the league, awful last year awful at minor under the same management can't defend so have no doubt he'll focus clare on them
The clare team fully belive in ephie I'd wonder do cork fully belive in theirs

If it was in ennis I'd geuinely give clare a huge chance but I think clare lack of real fire power and efficient economy of conversation rate of possession to scores will go against them and cork individual performance of colm o Neill hurley donnacha o Connor mark Collins will see them though but it won't be by any means easy as this cork team are imo devoid of self belive and confidence and clare if they get a good start will ask serious questions of this cork side imo

blackcard · 27-05-2015 09:13PM

keeponhurling wrote: »

A lot of Clare's scores came via O'Donnell
To say he was held to one point is perhaps oversimplifying it a bit

Agreed, but Clare's game plan was about getting the ball to SOD so you would need a lot of scores coming through him. I think he could have been more direct with his running. I think he is potentially the best hurley around, he has brilliant control and is so assured on the ball

Clareman · 27-05-2015 09:22PM

I think Clare's game plan was to get the ball to O'Donnell who in turn would gain possession and try to get inside his man for a goal chance which would draw defenders to him, then in turn he would play the ball back to the Clare players who were up to support. The fact that he didn't get inside his marker and that the Limerick backs were doing a great job of following their men meant that it wasn't as successful as against Kilkenny when Kelly was able to link up so well. It didn't help that when the Clare support was arriving that all it did was congest the inside space.

In the second half when we went man on man it meant that each player could contest for the ball and make runs drawing their defenders away giving more space, Cunningham exploited this extremely well for his goals, when it went 14 on 14 we brought a sweeper back and reverted to the (imo failed) original tactic.

windy shepard henderson · 27-05-2015 09:27PM

Clareman wrote: »

There was a small crowd in the Park and if you ignored some of the wides it was a brilliant performance, I don't think we'll beat Cork but I don't think they'll run away with it, a lot of luck and no wides and we could have a great chance, I wouldn't fear anyone in the qualifiers though.

there was roughly 5000 maybe less at the football match saterday night , majority bar maybe 2 or 300 or so were all home supporters , i honestly think there were less clare supporters in thurles sunday , which in my opinion asks serious questions not just about management but in general ,

what is keeping people away? i will be very interested to see what kind of numbers will be attending this weekends club championship games , some of last years fixtures were very low as well , but out of the 21000 in thurles last week was there even 5000 clare supporters there?

Clareman · 27-05-2015 09:33PM

windy shepard henderson wrote: »

there was roughly 5000 maybe less at the football match saterday night , majority bar maybe 2 or 300 or so were all home supporters , i honestly think there were less clare supporters in thurles sunday , which in my opinion asks serious questions not just about management but in general ,

what is keeping people away? i will be very interested to see what kind of numbers will be attending this weekends club championship games , some of last years fixtures were very low as well , but out of the 21000 in thurles last week was there even 5000 clare supporters there?

There was over 21k in Thurles on Sunday, I thought it was 50/50, I might be wrong, but I don't think it was 3-1 in Limerick's advantage.

Anyone I've talked to is sick of the whole thing and the frustration it brings, a lot of arm chair supporters have nothing to encourage them to go to matches. Personally, I can't understand why there wasn't a load of buses lined up or a train or something, 4 o'clock on a Sunday is an awkward time for a match, especially with Communions and Confirmations in full flow, but Clare GAA don't seem interested in getting people to matches.

By the way, I think 21k people at a first round of a hurling match is a brilliant turn out, the semi final of the rugby on Saturday only had 16k at it.

elastico · 27-05-2015 09:52PM

Clareman wrote: »

Anyone I've talked to is sick of the whole thing and the frustration it brings, a lot of arm chair supporters have nothing to encourage them to go to matches. Personally, I can't understand why there wasn't a load of buses lined up or a train or something, 4 o'clock on a Sunday is an awkward time for a match, especially with Communions and Confirmations in full flow, but Clare GAA don't seem interested in getting people to matches.

They should bite the bullet and play these games in Limerick. If there is a replay or early round backdoor game with smaller crowd expected it can be played in Ennis.

Neutralise the venue a bit, toss for dressing room, both teams get equal training access in weeks before the game etc.

Its not like Clare have a great record in Thurles anyway.

Clareman · 27-05-2015 10:18PM

elastico wrote: »

They should bite the bullet and play these games in Limerick. If there is a replay or early round backdoor game with smaller crowd expected it can be played in Ennis.

Neutralise the venue a bit, toss for dressing room, both teams get equal training access in weeks before the game etc.

Its not like Clare have a great record in Thurles anyway.

Lots of stories going around saying that Clare offered to play in Limerick but Limerick declined, it'd probably be closer for a lot of Clare lads to get to the Gaelic Grounds than it would be for the Limerick players. I reckon, knowing some of the politics at play, the Munster council don't want Limerick with home and away agreements with 3 of the 4 other hurling counties.

citykat · 27-05-2015 10:30PM

Mehapoy wrote: »

I'd say Richie would be happy to be made a 'mug' of everyday if he only concedes 1 point to his direct opponent!

He might draw some solace from that stat (I'd doubt if he would) but if O'Donnell had been more selfish/greedy it could have been more. I rate McCarthy as one of the best FBs around but he seemed happy to allow O'Donnell be first to the ball every time. O'Donnell's touch and awareness are top drawer. McCarthy has the ability to play from the front and shouldn't yield to SOD especially if LK are playing a sweeper.

Clareman · 27-05-2015 10:43PM

citykat wrote: »

He might draw some solace from that stat (I'd doubt if he would) but if O'Donnell had been more selfish/greedy it could have been more. I rate McCarthy as one of the best FBs around but he seemed happy to allow O'Donnell be first to the ball every time. O'Donnell's touch and awareness are top drawer. McCarthy has the ability to play from the front and shouldn't yield to SOD especially if LK are playing a sweeper.

I thought McCarthy did extremely well, I don't think any full back could risk playing O'Donnell from in front, especially with all space in front with Clare withdrawing their other forwards, 1 bad bounce and O'Donnell was in for a goal, as a unit I thought Limerick defenders did extremely well, especially in the second half when they didn't give away careless frees.

Figerty · 27-05-2015 11:02PM

blackcard wrote: »

Agreed, but Clare's game plan was about getting the ball to SOD so you would need a lot of scores coming through him. I think he could have been more direct with his running. I think he is potentially the best hurley around, he has brilliant control and is so assured on the ball

Being double marked didn't help either.. You would love to see O'Donnell playing of John Conlon at full forward. But we can't afford not to have Conlon under the puckouts.

Clareman · 27-05-2015 11:04PM

Figerty wrote: »

Being double marked didn't help either.. You would love to see O'Donnell playing of John Conlon at full forward. But we can't afford not to have Conlon under the puckouts.

I'd love to see Honan as the target man inside with the other forwards playing off him, I think Conlon and Ryan are critical to us in order to get our own puck outs.

Fireball07 · 27-05-2015 11:53PM

Clareman wrote: »

Lots of stories going around saying that Clare offered to play in Limerick but Limerick declined, it'd probably be closer for a lot of Clare lads to get to the Gaelic Grounds than it would be for the Limerick players. I reckon, knowing some of the politics at play, the Munster council don't want Limerick with home and away agreements with 3 of the 4 other hurling counties.

While the Gaelic Grounds is more convenient for both teams, I imagine that Clare would be mad to offer to move the game there considering Limerick have had a very good record there in recent years, and surely Clare would prefer open spaces to even more congestion?

windy shepard henderson · 28-05-2015 12:05AM

Fireball07 wrote: »

While the Gaelic Grounds is more convenient for both teams, I imagine that Clare would be mad to offer to move the game there considering Limerick have had a very good record there in recent years, and surely Clare would prefer open spaces to even more congestion?

if i am not mistaking and i could be wrong but as far as i was aware it was clare's home match , they decided to move it to thurles for that reason that the pitch was bigger and bringing it to limerick would only be sacrificing home advantage

mickmackey1 · 28-05-2015 01:10AM

Meant to mention this on the day but David McInerney's sideline ball on Sunday must have been the longest cut in GAA history, amazing.

Clareman · 28-05-2015 10:18AM

I think all games are a neutral venue unless there's a home & away arrangement in place already, doesn't matter who comes out first.

Browney7 · 28-05-2015 11:11AM

Clareman wrote: »

I think all games are a neutral venue unless there's a home & away arrangement in place already, doesn't matter who comes out first.

If they can spend a few quid on Ennis - new jacks, nicer stand, easier access - they could definitely host a first round game against Waterford and probably Tipp if they aren't going great. Would be a far better atmosphere than a half empty semple. Limerick would travel because its so close and a novelty.

Clareman · 28-05-2015 11:25AM

Browney7 wrote: »

If they can spend a few quid on Ennis - new jacks, nicer stand, easier access - they could definitely host a first round game against Waterford and probably Tipp if they aren't going great. Would be a far better atmosphere than a half empty semple. Limerick would travel because its so close and a novelty.

There's plans a foot to do up the Park, at the moment they are a complete disgrace with the filthy toilets, falling down stands and rusty barbwire everywhere, with the river running 1 side of it it's a disaster waiting to happen.

In my opinion, the GAA has too many big grounds that are just sitting empty for 360 days of the year, Ennis doesn't need a big ground, we need big enough for our county finals not to host Munster Championship matches. In Munsters there's the Semple Stadium (55,000), Gaelic Grounds (50,000), Páirc Ui Chaoimh (45,500) and Fitzgerald Stadium (43,000), that's enough stadium space for the population of each county (Cork excluding the city).

mollymaloney · 28-05-2015 11:46AM

I think this Clare team will have a big say in the championship. No other county has such a pool of attack minded forwards. --- All this thing, about systems, sweepers, third mid fielders, two inside forwards- is it really doing anything for hurling. Kilkenny have enjoyed fair success lining out in conventional positions, each player with the primary task of winning his individual battle.

The outcome of a game can swing on the smallest of things. Like the confusion between the goalkeeper and back that led to Limerick's goal. The sending off, that another ref might have looked at differently etc. Clare lost by a point, having come back from being six down. Limerick are a team on the rise for a few years now and are a serious outfit. So I would not be surprised to see Clare in Croke Park next August.

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