Cork GAA Discussion Thread

D'Agger wrote: »

Pairc Ui Rinn has had a serious amount of games played on it the past number of weeks & months - would imagine they're trying to keep it in a good condition for the full year given Pairc ui Chaoimh is out of commission for the forseeable

It's a pity. Sciath Na Scoil finals are fantastic and playing in Pairc Ui Rinn is a big part of it.

Horse84 wrote: »

Confirmed Brian Murphy back on the panel

good news given our lack of defensive cover but won't solve all our problems.

He is a guaranteed starter. Not coming back to sit on bench. He has an incredible temperament for the big day and i would have every faith in him.

Conor sull has being playing brutal all year and very poor with his club last few weeks. Yes conor sull 2013 would be huge asset but afraid he has slipped back imo.

I think it's needed with the lack of defensive cover, but only a short term solution.

I have a feeling Murphy would be fine despite the lack of training. He is not the type of player that will get on the ball. He has always been an intelligent defender and if he is still in decent shape, should be ok. Who would JBM have in mind for him to mark, Jake Dillon?

CORKDOUBLE wrote: »

Brian Murphy is 33 this year .....JBM is getting as good as Cuthbert for bringing back players from the past...!

No Cuthbert can do no right and JBM cannot be questioned.

Cu Baire wrote: »

No Cuthbert can do no right and JBM cannot be questioned.

Well be fair now if you want to compare both records and go through cuthbert since he started it's correct to question him
Same old nonsense people use in there's not much record wise to defend cuthbert so it's ah jbm gets no blame so the pr is turn it in to a kind of debate cuthbert v jbm when it's nothing to do with them in each are judged independent wise and many including myself have questions jbm and critsed him

If you can tell me who better than jbm to coach cork now enlighten me please
I can list five proven lads better than cuthbert in football as cuthbert record is very poor
Also I ask this question many times and don't get an answer
I ask you the same question please can you please name one aspect of cork play that we improved under cuthbert or even one player just one please
Now fair enough you have your opinion but if you want people to say cuthbert deserves credit then give us reason to please

Cork defence has been appalling in two years under cuthbert we havent won any big game we unlike the hurling who don't have options we do but play players out of positions

There's a huge difference in recall of Alan o Connor who never had pace to Murphy and also goal keeper never played senior for cork at thirty four called up in fine club keeper Paudie Hurley and a man I have huge admiration for in had a serious illness and defied the odds to play again but Ryan price again had outstanding game the weekend and was part of the mcgrath cup panel but like last year given no games
Cork at least play free flowing attacking hurling well under jbm

Cuthbert has proven to be ineffective at both attack and defence styles
If you can give reason to say cuthbert has been criticised unjust in performances please do so


I read David corkery headline is keatley up for the munster role or something like that after Saturdays game
He made a compelling argument he didn't think he was
He wasn't being personal against him but judging on performance
He said he liked him but munster is a top club that demands more and sentiment can't come in to the sport
While not professional in name gaa is in every aspect and unfortunately sentiment can't come in to it and as corkery done players and management have right to be questioned on performance on the field and cuthbert to be fair has had eighteen months and a batch players who defeated kerry at under twenty one four years ago yet the core that kerry team now senior have developed more than cork and that imo is fundamentally down to coaching
I do respect your enthusiasm toward cuthbert and you said the same after a few league wins but like I and others said be ware of false dawns
Surely you will realise in results so far he's term there's serious doubts remain if he or sullivan or sexton or Davis with no previous management experience can management a top intercounty team like cork football that at the very least deserves to be a top four team

Mountainlad wrote: »

Haven't seen him with his club but calling back someone whose been missing from inter county for two and a half years and no inter county training done this year wouldn't be a positive in my mind.

Conor O Sullivan should have been told if he plays well the position is his and it would be up to McLoughlin, Cahalane, Joyce etc to dislodge him when he gets back but maybe that bridge has been burned. Any guesses as to how yer backs might lineout? Could Walsh go wing back again?

Mix of O'Neill, the two Murphys, Ellis, Cahalane, and McDonnell.

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

It wont work at all at all if he's full back and v clare league game two years ago it showed not a full back and not a soultion there
He I think is actually very useful as a centre back with pace outside him in he's sweeper and reading of a game and hurling would be good
He's imo a good addition in a way however looking on the other side doesn't do much for Burke confidence and conor sullivan either who was dropped and like killan Murphy would been imo another option should be called up

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I cant see JBM putting Murphy anywhere but Full or corner back. Dont think he'll move Ellis from the center.. JBM hasn't made much big calls since positional wise since he's been in charge, players usually play in the lines we've become accustomed to see them in. Not that its a radical call to put Murphy somewhere in the HB line, (didnt he spend most of the All ireland out there following kelly). I see the recall of Murphy as their solution to the FB problem.

Corcaigh Abu1 wrote: »

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

It wont work at all at all if he's full back and v clare league game two years ago it showed not a full back and not a soultion there
He I think is actually very useful as a centre back with pace outside him in he's sweeper and reading of a game and hurling
He' a good addition in a way however looking on the other side doesn't do much for Burke confidence and conor sullivan either who was dropped and like killan Murphy would been imo another option should be called up

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I cant see JBM putting Murphy anywhere but Full or corner back. Dont think he'll move Ellis from the center.. JBM hasn't made much big calls since positional wise since he's been in charge, players usually play in the lines we've become accustomed to see them in. Not that its a radical call to put Murphy somewhere in the HB line, (didnt he spend most of the All ireland out there following kelly). I see the recall of Murphy as their solution to the FB problem.

I hope your wrong as Murphy will be a disaster at full back as you have three corner backs then in that unit and none can command a square against the orthodox full forward
Donnell would suit Murphy where honan power or dowling or lar would cause him problems


He doesn't need to move Ellis in try Ryan or cahalane and I said before I'd do everything I can to get Spillane in
Fair enough Spillane may be travelling but I hope he was begged to stay before Murphy was approached as we need a full back not a corner back all star or no all star
Half back line Murphy Ellis Murphy be okay
I wouldn't play Brian for Waterford game it's too early and I'd give him a sub role
Yes he's form club outstanding but i Don't believe no matter how excellent a player is no league behind him or inter county hurling in two years can't walk in cold and expect to be up the intensity etc
Murphy if does start is a poor reflection state cork defence that a lad two years out comes back and is starter in two weeks and while Joyce wasn't their fault management have accountability in sullivan leaving was due to others getting games and the likes of Barry nagle all should got game time
Sean o dounoughe is a terrific prospect but I saw no benefit in him playing waterford crystal and challenge matches when he was never going to start in championship
I understand jbm had to bring lot lads in as they had little development at underage fair enough but whatever bout the waterford crystal even cork playing lads v KK in a challenge that had little chance in may the timing was not right

O dounoughe will get games with cotk under twenty one and the intermediate team is imo he should with sean Hayes pa herihly aron sheehan lukes meade should be playing both under twenty one and intermediate to help their development

Horse84 wrote: »

I intimated last week about Brian Murphy and his loss and had a feeling that he would be approached and be asked to return. Make no mistake about it, he's not being asked to sit on the bench either and the same man wouldn't even consider it if he thought that was the case. He's returning to start against Waterford, I have absolutely no doubt about it.
Is it a very bad reflection on the defence, on the panel and management? Absolutely 100% it is. It is what it is. At this moment in time, with our complete lack of underage pedigree we do not have players of the calibre of a Brian Murphy (past his peak or not) to come in and do a job with the injuries we have. Jimmy would be the first to admit that himself. It's that simple.

Now we get to the issue of where does Brian play if he does start. I believe he starts at fullback. I just don't see Aidan Ryan there in championship match against Waterford. In my view it's a defining game for this team and management. I think they have to win simply have to after the league final and the tipp match last year. It's year 4 lads not 2 or 3. I believe they stand a better chance of winning with Murphy starting than not. He's a proven big game player and can and will do a job from numbers 2-6.

A lot of points there that are bang on
I just think it's a huge huge risk to start a lad with no challenge games even in championship two years out of the game and yes club form is great but look the cork county championship is hardly great now

I think Ryan starting has the same risk as Murphy but I'd start him or cahalane at three and Murphy as a sub is better as if you start Murphy but he starts bad and you take him off its hugely demoralising team and lads like Burke etc not getting a game or Ryan or cahalane


This is not Paul galvin scenario where galvin can add twenty minutes this is a role your asking a lad to protect the full back line and you drop your ist ball or are off the pace it's all over a goal
If there going to start him in a sweeper system with half back allow him to grow in to the game but he started at full and a few high balls come in he's no room for errors absolutely none where at half back I some one may cover you
It's desperate measures I agree but you got to still be calm even in such scenario as no point in risking making an awful position an absolute nightmare mare either and it's damage limitation for full back imo now as options are limited so while it won't be ideal make sure the option is the best it can be and certainly not the worst it can be at the same time

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

A lot of points there that are bang on
I just think it's a huge huge risk to start a lad with no challenge games even in championship two years out of the game and yes club form is great but look the cork county championship is hardly great now

I think Ryan starting has the same risk as Murphy but I'd start him or cahalane at three and Murphy as a sub is better as if you start Murphy but he starts bad and you take him off its hugely demoralising team and lads like Burke etc not getting a game or Ryan or cahalane


This is not Paul galvin scenario where galvin can add twenty minutes this is a role your asking a lad to protect the full back line and you drop your ist ball or are off the pace it's all over a goal
If there going to start him in a sweeper system with half back allow him to grow in to the game but he started at full and a few high balls come in he's no room for errors absolutely none where at half back I some one may cover you
It's desperate measures I agree but you got to still be calm even in such scenario as no point in risking making an awful position an absolute nightmare mare either and it's damage limitation for full back imo now as options are limited so while it won't be ideal make sure the option is the best it can be and certainly not the worst it can be at the same time

Look I could be wrong but that's the way I see it going. It is a risk I agree and if it was anyone else I'd say fair enough but Brian is very much his own man and I just don't believe he'd go back to sit on the bench and if he believes he's good to go then that's good enough for me.
It's too late in the day to be talking about sweeper systems for this team I think. Look how long it's taken Waterford to adopt it. It's one of the reasons I didn't believe cork were shadow boxing in the league final. They can't just decide now to adopt it now, they're not set up for it.
We'll know for sure 2moro week and I'll say more then:)

clerk wrote: »

I think to be fair it needs to be remembered that Keatley is a professional, albeit I've no doubt it's tough getting criticised in your local paper, whereas GAA players are amateurs.

I know of one current Cork player who after a while found the criticism very hard to take as he works in a job were he faces off to the public. After the Kerry game last Year people said unreal stuff to him. Even if one person criticised you to your face say once a Day it would get very hard to take after a while, especially when it's happening in your work environment, where you have to keep professional yourself. lf you lose the rag it could get very messy very quickly.

I know it's a difficult balance but I just think people build the players up like they are Gods, which is great if things are going well but when it goes the other way it's tough.

I like lots of people was gutted at the Kerry performance but I wouldn't go mouthing off at a player in his work environment. It's a difficult balance really.

I totally agree one hundred and ten per cent no way should he be berates in work or outside public with he's family even professional should not either


But what place has pundits or gaa forums if purely on the field your opinion can't say a lad or management had countless games and he's not at elite level
Your not saying he's a bad player but just not for cork


In cork no one critsed famine at hurling for so long not one not one has said is management in football up to it
Surely you can see valid to question management on results the last eighteen months as if not does that means so cork is different to other county in results are not questioned and no minimum standards is expected and why do kk and kerry and Dublin critse their own when needs be but cork can't



These lads are professional bar money and on field play should be open to valid gaa criticism as conor lehane said recently in you can't take harsh words when he mentioned landers he said you should not be playing


In kk years ago about there mullonvat had a poor season yet the kilkenny people club notes said there training wasn't at the level required and a big improvement needed next year
They got in Declan wall outstanding coach went around thirty games unbeaten winning league and championship


If we can't say so and so played bad what point is there fans spending going matches when they know there's better players but you can't give views on games
There's no value then for fans and support won't long be dwindled
There is a scenario where then just cause people keep criticism manager or players he's agenda as he sounds repetitive when the other side of the debate is there only repeating the same stuff regards players and managers not by choice but simply caused their picked or same mistakes go over and over again and they only other option is not to judge the players or management but then how can you evaluate a team unless you evaluate management and players


Take for example fintan gould gets lot criticism fans but what do fans do if he's picked again and plays bad in we judge a team but don't critse he's performance or the same rule applies to others
When a lad that has proved to be off senior is still picked over and over again then the issue lies with management

My point is simple on field play cork football and at hurling at underage management were never ever once critsed by pundits despite now let's be honest no one can deny they had poor records

We had a brilliant article last week regards the coaching development officer in cork but it's the same old same old annual once a year talk imo in about player development etc and that's brilliant but there's no mention of coaching so it's a complete waste of time effort money to have development squads if minor coaches and senior are not proven and qualified as any chain is only as strong as it's weakest link imo

Since cork football management took over we have heard criticism fans players the media even at the announcement of the management referees yet surely surely any fair minded decent gaa man would say it's perfectly attainable and valid for any pundit to question the cork football management on results

Brolly said cork have no hope but never questioned management
Eammon sweeney is the only one I read last year and said he doesn't rate the current football manager
He was not personal either just question he's football managerial skills

Cork have ex players and pundits that create storm tea cups at scenarios away from cork yet right on their door step at times they turn a blind eye to mediocrity time and time again imo
Leinster rugby has truth like munster within to evaluate and call a spade a spade but cork Gaa will never become the force it can or deserves to be until they get that truth bold honesty within like the cork ladies footballers have where from a team no one knew to a team everyone nows appreciate their wondering culture of sustained excellence of awesome impeccable outstanding wondering sublime standards

rebelomar wrote: »

Fair play to Brian Murphy for answering the call once more. A rebel legend and a fine player in his day. Hope it goes well for him.

If it works out and he's 90% of the player of two or three years ago it's a shrewd move by JBM.

However it's also a damning indictment of the lack of depth in the county at present. The years of neglect of our underage sides/ development squads are coming home to roost again here.

I'd personally much rather a promising young player coming in but I'll trust JBM's judgement because what he's really saying is the cupboards are bare player wise.

Yes we have injuries but you won't see Cody having to get JJ or Tommy Walsh back on the phone imo.

Also a penny for Conor Sulls thoughts at the moment. I think the poor lad jumped the gun and would probably be in line to start at the moment with the lack of other options. He's a quality hurler and if we were to play with a sweeper or spare defender vs Waterford Conor is absolutely ideal for such a role.

Good news Harnedy declaring himself fit. Our most consistent forward by a distance.

I feel we can still beat Waterford presuming we get tactics and players positions spot on.

Imo there's absolutely no point having Hoggy tied up inside against a blanket defense. Give him a deeper role and allow him to try and pick off long range points. This is the only way that you will drag Waterfords packed defense out.

Also the roles in our own defense will be interesting. It won't be lads playing orthodox full back centre back roles etc. I think we'll pick our four man markers who will pick up their direct opponent for 70 mins irrespective of where they line out. The spare"defenders"might not even be recognised defenders. But players with good use of possession and are comfortable on the ball.

One thing is Ellis must not be dragged outta the centre imo...while he mightn't be playing a traditional centre back role in this game he still needs to hold that centre.

The team selection will be very interesting and I wouldn't be surprised to see a complete dummy team issued next Thursday eve.

Great post
Jbm won't do dunmy teams though or such nonsense
A change of system from the traditional style we'll settle for gladly
Naming a dummy team will have no bearing on the match result

Shane Kingston broke his leg against Clare in a challenge

CORK’S Munster minor hurling championship hopes have been dealt a devastating blow with the news that team captain Shane Kingston (below left with Kevin Flahive) has been ruled out for the rest of the campaign and in fact is unlikely to feature in the All Ireland series either if Cork defeat Limerick in the provincial semi-final.
The Douglas clubman sustained a very serious leg injury in a challenge game with Clare in the Banner County on Wednesday night. 1682926He has a broken fibula and will be in a cast for the forseeable future, ruling him out of any involvement with the county team over the coming months. EOHRochestownvNaSceil133566
The Cork captain was an inspirational figure in the opening round victory over Limerick at Páirc Uí Rinn a number of weeks ago, delivering 1-9 in the 2-20 to 1-13 victory over Limerick.
Cork trailed in that game by three points at the interval but, superbly led by the Rochestown College student, turned the tide around completely thereafter and ran out the most convincing of winners.
As events have subsequently transpired, Cork must now face Limerick again in the Munster semi-final with the latter now having home advantage at the Gaelic Grounds on July 1.
This is a huge game for both counties in so far as the winners will qualify for the provincial semi-final and subsequently the All Ireland quarter-final. However, the losers of that game will have their season terminated.
Limerick defeated Waterford in another make or break game after the Decies had lost to Tipperary and with home advantage and Cork now going to be without their star player, it will be a big ask for Denis Ring’s team.
On the plus side, however, the squad has been bolstered by the addition of Cork minor football captain Sean Powter, also from Douglas.
The injury to Kingston is also a huge blow to Douglas. He was introduced as a sub during the course of their SHC victory over the Barrs last Saturday night and he was going to be a hugely influential figure on their minor and U21 teams.