Cork GAA Discussion Thread

CORKDOUBLE

U21 team ?
Patrick Collins
Stephen Murphy Eddie Gunning Sean O Donoughue
Alan O Callaghan Conor Twomey Cathal Cormack
Trevor Horgan Dayne Lee
Luke Meade Peter Kelleher John Cashman
Anthony Spillane Sean Hayes Mark O Connor

subs....Michael Browne, Kieran Histon, Alan Dennehy, Darren Browne, Conor Kelleher, Killian McIntyre, Daniel Meaney, Eoghan Keniry , Darren Casey,Aaron Ward, and Aaron Sheehan .. Rickard Cahalane....

Orizio

Murphys best position is midfield, he was shunted in the corner for Minor due to his size. No chance two lads out of Minor will make up the full-back line. Dennehy and Cahalane will be in there somewhere. A few of the other lads listed will be lucky to make the panel.

Mountainlad

TTM fairplay you are a hurling man, and I do respect your opinion just that post was a bit disrespectful before I thought. I'll respond tomorrow when I'm fit for it.

thinkstoomuch1

CORKDOUBLE wrote: »

U21 team ?
Patrick Collins
Stephen Murphy Eddie Gunning Sean O Donoughue
Alan O Callaghan Conor Twomey Cathal Cormack
Trevor Horgan Dayne Lee
Luke Meade Peter Kelleher John Cashman
Anthony Spillane Sean Hayes Mark O Connor

subs....Michael Browne, Kieran Histon, Alan Dennehy, Darren Browne, Conor Kelleher, Killian McIntyre, Daniel Meaney, Eoghan Keniry , Darren Casey,Aaron Ward, and Aaron Sheehan .. Rickard Cahalane....

Lee and horgan are not midfielder of any note imo and horgan is half back or half forwards
Lee is better half forward coming in from deep
Waterford crystal proved sean o dounoughe is not a corner back player and he's more centre type player as football Ballincollig proved winning all Irelands school two years ago croke park and cork minor centre forward or midfield

Cahalane is nailed on to start at midfield and outstanding ballymartle last year
Cork must play lads in their best position


I'm all for innovation and trying new lads different positions in cody mantra develops adaptability and improves player and that started new philosophy under cody when prior to kilkenny cork league final thirteen years ago kilkenny picked team lot lad unfamiliar position and noel skehan then selector gave famous interview to be as time past when he said kilkenny new philosophy trying lads different positions as may failed before but don't become bad players over night but they found roles system play develop them further


There's a thin line imo to that and there's always a method madness with kk as usually they will give lads few games but if signs show things aren't working they would give them all day either

Cork at various grades don't seem to have the balance or skillset fully developed to distinguish between developing player adaptability and improving the team than actually playing lads out position far too long that clear day isn't working like hurling with Mcdonnell o Neill full back
Joyce ist senior season midfield and more evident in football when yes there correct strive for an adaptable middle eight it gone absolutely ridiculous a year half in we play half backs corner back and full back half back and now we evolved this phenomenon further playing half forwards who actually full forwards now half backs where unlike the kilkenny mantra none these have club form etc prove they can do the different roles or even looking at skillset players involved it's clear what positions suit and what ones don't suit their skillset


Jerry Wallis gave a good interview last Friday where he said clearly he was following cody philosophy midelton from the start of the year try different lads different positions to strengthen team and he'd live and learn in the process
But the key difference with Wallis and other managers play lads out position is they often fail to clearly understand the skills of the players and how they would suit the new role
Wallis explained why nagle was moved up half forward as he said he was tall and good in the air and wanted increase ball winning of he's forwards and he knew nagle was far more mobile than aidan Ryan but knew Ryan be better st half back as he's height and ball winning be good


He played farell as a forward from defence also and imo farell has pace not as fast as luke but still from being corner back it's suits he's corner forward role
Dowling before he got injured was at full back
A great call as anyone watched dowling knew he always grafter and holding midfield presence with Haughney and he's the physics presence and worker where's he's unselfish play in he sacrifice he's game for he's team and ability to read the game so well is ideal for full back and having played high club level in kilkenny and good under the high ball and captain midelton means leadership to lead from full back


Wallis also knew dowling was involved coaching dean Ryan cup team midelton and is terrific young coach and he's understanding game made him ideal for full back
You see Wallis understood the dynamics of what made dowling tick


Too many managers don't do this and for example take James loughrey he's played corner back as he's adaptable and mobile but anyone knows he's game even at club know he hasn't focus or concentration for man marking role corner back but he's terrific instinct and pace and spatial awareness means he's better as attacking half back once he's in a unit with a holding defender
You can always plays lads out of positions if their role is defined but at times lads are asked to play natural roles of a position when there brilliant players but actually made look poorer which is wrong as their simply asked to do jobs there skill set doesn't suit and bar the exception players like Brian cocoran tommy Walsh Brian whelahan ken mcgrath john caroll etc not many can be versatile and just as good in a variety of different inter county positions imo

thinkstoomuch1

Mountainlad wrote: »

TTM fairplay you are a hurling man, and I do respect your opinion just that post was a bit disrespectful before I thought. I'll respond tomorrow when I'm fit for it.

No I'm not a hurling man or football man I'm a gaa fan and have equal affection for both ladies men all hurling and football
Look everybody perception is different but no that wasn't disrespectful to waterford imo at all at all and I gave valid points show other wise and as I said cork winning last two munster champions games even league games bar this year and munster under twenty one last year and intermediate then imo perfectly plausible say cork justified be confident until such time waterford beat us championship
Honestly no need worry bt replying cause at this stage me and you agree with lot stuff but as seen last while in relation cork waterford hurling we wont agree and were just going over the same stuff but that's the beauty of sport
Like cork kerry football we can never claim be above them when they always beat us so imo it's similar waterford hurling
It's not me being harsh on waterford when to be fair I'm the first admit cork behind kerry football and kilkenny hurling so I judge my own county same way I judge others to be fair

Deise_2012

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

No I'm not a hurling man or football man I'm a gaa fan and have equal affection for both ladies men all hurling and football
Look everybody perception is different but no that wasn't disrespectful to waterford imo at all at all and I gave valid points show other wise and as I said cork winning last two munster champions games even league games bar this year and munster under twenty one last year and intermediate then imo perfectly plausible say cork justified be confident until such time waterford beat us championship
Honestly no need worry bt replying cause at this stage me and you agree with lot stuff but as seen last while in relation cork waterford hurling we wont agree and were just going over the same stuff but that's the beauty of sport
Like cork kerry football we can never claim be above them when they always beat us so imo it's similar waterford hurling
It's not me being harsh on waterford when to be fair I'm the first admit cork behind kerry football and kilkenny hurling so I judge my own county same way I judge others to be fair

So if we beat ye in 2 weeks you'll admit that Cork are behind Waterford?

willietherock

CORKDOUBLE wrote: »

U21 team ?
Patrick Collins
Stephen Murphy Eddie Gunning Sean O Donoughue
Alan O Callaghan Conor Twomey Cathal Cormack
Trevor Horgan Dayne Lee
Luke Meade Peter Kelleher John Cashman
Anthony Spillane Sean Hayes Mark O Connor

subs....Michael Browne, Kieran Histon, Alan Dennehy, Darren Browne, Conor Kelleher, Killian McIntyre, Daniel Meaney, Eoghan Keniry , Darren Casey,Aaron Ward, and Aaron Sheehan .. Rickard Cahalane....

Who is John Cashman?
Dave Noonan of the Glen was the best young defender in last yrs senior club championship. Sean Hayes has big potential.

thinkstoomuch1

Deise_2012 wrote: »

So if we beat ye in 2 weeks you'll admit that Cork are behind Waterford?

Well it depends on the situation really in lorcan out so huge huge loss
If harnedy and cadogan are struggling as haven't trained yet then its obvious game where realistic assement needs take place
We're not kk or clare with panel be fair
Even clare greater panel depth now mcgrath Ryan shanahan and bulger could be out they struggled v limerick
If limerick beat a clare team with half lads missing does that make limerick better not at all
It merely proves limerick credit due won game should have and moving on to if fully fit teams meet again it doesn't mean limerick ahead clare
Like wise if waterford beats injury depleted cork no imo I wouldn't get carried away however waterford loss is savage blow as Waterford should be winning this game in light cork injury worries but it won't imo be any great system innovation taking game new level in when waterford meet beet fully fit teams they can talk


Mahony huge huge huge loss but lorcan more loss cork in we lack backs and while if we play it cute minimise effect he's loss fact remains cork are thread bare at the back
A lot can happen as you know between now and the next two weeks
Seen as your craving for an answer I'll give you once when waterford win all Ireland title this management then I'll be convinced this great system is just that that
Or getting to an all Ireland final imo or being top four team the last three years then I'd say there above cork
League is league ye have a lot to prove in championship and fitness that helped ye since ye trained since November won't be enough in championship against team equal to it or have same hunger ye have
Everybody wants beat waterford now such is all the hype and profiles since the league win
Huge huge absolutely huge pressure on waterford and it still remains to be seen waterford teams don't do expectations well as their past shows to be fair now so what remains be seen is can this team do it

thinkstoomuch1

willietherock wrote: »

Who is John Cashman?
Dave Noonan of the Glen was the best young defender in last yrs senior club championship. Sean Hayes has big potential.

I thought David dooling glen corner back outstanding and cork minor last year sub v limerick played well
He was outstanding senior for glen imo should be on the panel

Hurleratheart

willietherock wrote: »

Who is John Cashman?
Dave Noonan of the Glen was the best young defender in last yrs senior club championship. Sean Hayes has big potential.

John Cashman is lisgould
Good hand and good man to get a score but short a pace
Meaney and o Callaghan of Rockies not involved

What stopped luttrel at minor last year - always taught he had a cut about him?
Lively on pitch

CORKDOUBLE

John Cashman Lisgoold ?

willietherock

County U14 premier semi finals involving Glen/'Barrs/Douglas needlessly clashing with the senior games involving the same sides Saturday.

thinkstoomuch1

Hurleratheart wrote: »

John Cashman is lisgould
Good hand and good man to get a score but short a pace
Meaney and o Callaghan of Rockies not involved

What stopped luttrel at minor last year - always taught he had a cut about him?
Lively on pitch

Foot injury last year and didn't feature lot trial games but was extended panel
Terrific prospect and real aggressive hurling and outstanding the weekend mallow intermediate
Originally from tipperary this lad certainly has potential a fine fine hurler and cormac Murphy from he's club doing so well well give him confidence he can do well also

Scarecrow 2

Just looking over a few lads 21 teams/panels there.

Stephen murphy is out with long term injury. He got a belt on hand at Fitzgibbon and lads at college say his out for long haul. Trevor Horgan out also with shoulder injury for year. Did he tog last weekend with newcestown???

From my understanding talking to the lads they beat dublin few weeks ago and had a good battle with kilkenny.

Buckley from charleville has being full back all year and playing well with Dennehy, Niall cashman, Darren Browne ,Luke Meade, Cathal Cormac, Darren Casey, conor Twomey, Dave Noonan all regulars.

3ships

I don't think Waterford are under any pressure at all his summer TTM. Promotion and a cup already achieved, the pressure is firmly on everyone else in Munster. No need to explain. The bookies have Cork strong favourites 8/13 to beat Waterford. Previously this was 10/11 after league final but shortened after Mahony's injury. Lorcan McLoughlin's injury has had no effect on the betting.

From my experience Waterford have almost never been favourites in any big game. They were against Limerick in 07, they won a Munster Final and lost All Ireland semi, hardly a definitive pool on which to draw conclusions. The only other time was maybe the 2002 semi against Clare, I'm not certain of this and really when you think of the know how that Clare line up had it's hardly a shameful loss.

At the moment Cork are pre-championship, 5-1 to win AISHC. I can tell you for definite Waterford were never that fancied at this stage of the year. In 2007 after the League win over Kilkenny they were available at 7-1, the same after the league win this year until Mahony's leg break.

The papers wrote a lot about Waterford recently but that only makes up for being written off for years and worse in Wilde terms they were not even being spoke of at all just a couple of months ago.

On the injury front Cork are missing 2 defenders, Waterford have been missing 2 in Daniels and Fives all year and they could well come into it later in the year. Cork have 2 doubts up front yet Waterford are definitely missing a Centre Forward and possibly a Full forward too.

I read in the programme before the league final the previous league results between the 2 dating back to 1990. In the Nineties Cork beat Waterford 9 times with one draw and one loss. Since 2000 Waterford have beaten Cork 12 times with 1 draw and 3 losses. Its only the league but it does show an undeniable change in the relationship between the 2 counties this century. Championship head to head form over the period is fairly even. Of course Cork did win Liam twice a decade ago and we didn't but that maybe due to the Corkmen in charge of us.

Donal Og Grady said there was 2 positives for Cork after the league final, that Cork will be underdogs come June and that they got a chance to probe the 'system'. Paudie Mahony's injury changed that if it even were true in the first place.

The truth is Waterford played the same system last year in a draw against Cork, this year in the League Final they kept it up for the 70. Cork may have missed goal chances but it is to our credit they didn't score. Harnedy's was saved brilliantly saved and for Lehane's effort, impressive as it was, it ultimately failed because he just had too much to do in the end. Waterford's soft goal is your problem not ours. Maurice Shanahan had a forgotten about chance in the first half which Nash smothered, then there was 15 wides.

Cork were able to improve by 14 points for the replay last year, if they do that again it'll still be a close game.

Best of Luck

thinkstoomuch1

http://www.the42.ie/matt-oconnor-leinster-sacking-leaving-2115528-May2015/
I'm a consistent beliver of a strong legacy of culture within any sports organisation where no matter what the period of transition is you got to absolutely got to have a minimum standards like man untd with moyles failing fourth and championship league to say look it's not working we got to act fast


I have references leinster to cork football all year as many know as my point was great great team were suddenly gone awful as said article here in basic skills the game and that has to be down to management
Leinster and I said it six weeks ago here made appointment of Connor based on no real success head coach yet English media blown him up yet he couldn't even win in Japan

Leinster so long ago munster fans laughed and joke about their soft mindset and also rans but they huge huge admiration respect for way changed legacy of always loosing munster become greatest irish side ever

And today shows how legacy culture is protected as no personal judgements from leinster on o Connor but o Connor but they know he's time is up and probably realises after when he had pop schmidt blaming him for poor season than looking he was to blame overall as he's manager team
O Connor knew it too so he imitated the move before he was gone


Cork football needs to seriously looking at leinster and cork ladies football where legacy failure of long long famines make them true to themselves in after success they never want to go back to the dark days so they protect culture by appointment right people like KK hurling
Hsve no doubt when cody Ryan goes who ever comes in will get time but their will be minium standard expected and if they fail contracts will be ended mid term


Cork football success like leinster been truly awful results wise but even in performances there compuned by poor basic defending skills kick passing and midfield and attacking beating blanket defence has been fair no one can say there's not serious concerns with this and as article said here in reference to leinster o Connor had to be accountable mainly as manager imo the same concept should apply to cork football at senior

So the questions should of been asked at the end of last year by doing a total review management take place but didn't
What needs to happen is serous serious review management skills to take place if failure happen this year on the field of play and on evidence we see is and I hope to be wrong very very likely
Like leinster rugby this is not personal slight cuthbert all it is judging purely skillset management in their role over huge sporting teams

Leinster in a poor rabo twelve weren't even top four
Cork are not top four team at present
Leinster will have no doubt come back to greatness as today shows one aspect cork gaa needs it's attiude to have minimum standards of performance and want desire to be best they can be and make ruthless bold decision off the field to allow their like cork football up coming talents flourish on the field of play
The legacy of culture of sporting Success I said many times is truly defined by making right choices and not taking chances
Cork football in a world where gaa watch other sports all the time and Dublin have mark ingle basketball and dunne boxing mike mcgurn ex rugby coach was in gaa also and kissane coach cit went connaught study there drills should look at leinster rugby today and so so much can be learned imo from them that cork should incorporating at all levels gaa has be even in transition minimum standards outside winning all Irelands set that all management teams are reviewed and judged on


Cork gaa at certain levels there's no minimum level of performance set so when we hit rock bottom like cork under age hurling football and minor there's never a ruthless bold approach taken but a soft mindset in don't critse things are never as bad as they seem and things will always get better and on any given day with bit luck we can beat anyone with imo a total naivety in its takes organisation elite astute coaching to even just competitive at any grade of inter county now
Cork need to wise up fast or we will continue to be left behind

I keep using Liverpool as an example also as again after a dismal season such travesty imo see great great club again fail to react and all talk Rodgers getting new contract shows why they still never never learn

A great comments by Martin mchugh Sunday commentary to Tyrone game in something like he said Tyrone had change as he said the essence of stupidity is doing same things that failed time and time again over and over again and actually expecting a different outcomes


Imo that quote should be pinned in every sporting organisation thriving amongst the elite to be the best they can be

thinkstoomuch1

Just to follow on from before a hugely significant ficant point needs to be made
Leinster had ample evidence to cling to moral defeats land in drew in France to toulon away home The now third time European champions and a late intercept done them
You don't see leinster executive or fans saying it buys him another year to finish the contract and hugely significant they sacked him early



Fans leinster won't be despondent either in they crave winning culture and demand it



Look at the difference in perfection of perception in cork loose point mayo yet all we hear is moral defeats great signs future when yes referee made mistakes but truth be told was robbery cork beat mayo as the statics prove mayo dominated that
I posted here I was going for kerry v mayo as I knew mayo won the correlation of points loss be used oh cork could been all Ireland final when in truth kerry hammered cork croke park as better coached teams lost their in past


Have no doubt kerry as they will get no benefit hammering cork could struggle beat us as the masters of phoney wars only see Dublin as their only threat and they have no desire or want to show their full hand and will operate off the level they can reach as that level is being kept for only Dublin
Dublin should be happy as that's respect kerry have for Dublin but kerry despite yerra talk don't actually fear cork and be fair have no reason on what we saw last year half under the set up to fear cork


They certainly will not want be team loose in killarney thus will likely win but a close loss where they struggle beat cork imo will paint flawed picture of cork making progress when unlike leinster cork fail realise it's attainable now and again despite poor management a team has default sytem to get performance but usually one off but when comes down winning and loosing they loose


If kerry do take eye off the ball and cork win Cinnede even said kerry wouldn't be too upset as they learn and evolve cork will not evolve and winning in kerry Cinnede said buy cuthbert new term imo win to kerry out default absolutely no long term benefits to cork if it's a false dawn
Either way imo cuthbert will get new term
Leinster were awful v poor bath from poor English league and that performance they struggled to win imo showed up weak aera they had and imo leinster knew this themselves
Like cork football you don't suddenly become that bad all year then one game becomes that good with out signs sustainable progressive improvement


Cork minors football lost by a point and as usual general thought is cork were unlucky home advantage won it when there's more to it than than imo
Yet this management team after two years failure will some how get credit
Leinster correctly see a loss as a loss and saw two years management clearly didn't suit the team so it was look we tried but no man greater than leinster rugby

The White Feather

Just sit back and watch for 20 mins, this short doc on Jamie Wall. A story of great courage that everyone should see.

thinkstoomuch1

3ships wrote: »

I don't think Waterford are under any pressure at all his summer TTM. Promotion and a cup already achieved, the pressure is firmly on everyone else in Munster. No need to explain. The bookies have Cork strong favourites 8/13 to beat Waterford. Previously this was 10/11 after league final but shortened after Mahony's injury. Lorcan McLoughlin's injury has had no effect on the betting.

From my experience Waterford have almost never been favourites in any big game. They were against Limerick in 07, they won a Munster Final and lost All Ireland semi, hardly a definitive pool on which to draw conclusions. The only other time was maybe the 2002 semi against Clare, I'm not certain of this and really when you think of the know how that Clare line up had it's hardly a shameful loss.

At the moment Cork are pre-championship, 5-1 to win AISHC. I can tell you for definite Waterford were never that fancied at this stage of the year. In 2007 after the League win over Kilkenny they were available at 7-1, the same after the league win this year until Mahony's leg break.

The papers wrote a lot about Waterford recently but that only makes up for being written off for years and worse in Wilde terms they were not even being spoke of at all just a couple of months ago.

On the injury front Cork are missing 2 defenders, Waterford have been missing 2 in Daniels and Fives all year and they could well come into it later in the year. Cork have 2 doubts up front yet Waterford are definitely missing a Centre Forward and possibly a Full forward too.

I read in the programme before the league final the previous league results between the 2 dating back to 1990. In the Nineties Cork beat Waterford 9 times with one draw and one loss. Since 2000 Waterford have beaten Cork 12 times with 1 draw and 3 losses. Its only the league but it does show an undeniable change in the relationship between the 2 counties this century. Championship head to head form over the period is fairly even. Of course Cork did win Liam twice a decade ago and we didn't but that maybe due to the Corkmen in charge of us.

Donal Og Grady said there was 2 positives for Cork after the league final, that Cork will be underdogs come June and that they got a chance to probe the 'system'. Paudie Mahony's injury changed that if it even were true in the first place.

The truth is Waterford played the same system last year in a draw against Cork, this year in the League Final they kept it up for the 70. Cork may have missed goal chances but it is to our credit they didn't score. Harnedy's was saved brilliantly saved and for Lehane's effort, impressive as it was, it ultimately failed because he just had too much to do in the end. Waterford's soft goal is your problem not ours. Maurice Shanahan had a forgotten about chance in the first half which Nash smothered, then there was 15 wides.

Cork were able to improve by 14 points for the replay last year, if they do that again it'll still be a close game.

Best of Luck

A very very good post and definitely no arrogance like others
I'd agree parts of it as you have presented in such a way it's definitely makes one think

The league relevance especially in early nineties no relation to change at all when geuinely whatever bout now certainly anyone tell you cork team nineties no absolute none interested league and normally good league like ninety three resulted ist round exit and even cork wexford hum dingwe epic games saga cork hurling fans didn't even travel great numbers when cork city playing league same say dundalk and cork won in soccer and that was more interest cork at time


Forget about the league as we go league past every team considered great be fair but championship counts and from ninety nine up cork are probably slightly ahead in duels or worst even and as ninety nine proved and o5 cork and three years ago bear waterford as underdogs
Even a poorly coached coached cork under Gerald mac pushes ye to extra time and even in munster due to semple gate pushes ye all way without cusack and Sean og etc


Tour point about two thousand seven is not accurate when target debate must be kept in perspective as I said waterford mainly against limerick huge huge favourite and you check odds you find that so but limerick were given no chance then let's be honest
Bookmarks odds at times not always correct in all takes some fans more money than sense to read a paper with heading bout team listen to neighbour joe blogs who probably never went game life suddenly be expert and convince all sundry there going to win


Fair enough waterford can't be accountable for pundits but pundits like Liverpool leinster bar Neil francais connaught rugby cork football blew up all teams as such has been famines success they know get readers naive belive them and at times its just lazy punditry and soon as they loose those pundits will drop the team like a hot poker

Cork as you say have injuries and that's why imp waterford huge favourite now even allowing for their injury but second half league needs be kept real cork had no intensity or hunger to change any of the team bar injury and why was that I wonder
Huge huge pressure on waterford as no doubt they know there expected to win now

What happened replay last year waterford were poor as quite simply cork under estimated them and didn't allow watered win
Mcgrath I'll give him credit be fair he admitted he was totally wrong after last year in games and I geuinely admire him for that as we have a manager in cork gaa who never accepted he's blame himself

thinkstoomuch1

The White Feather wrote: »

Just sit back and watch for 20 mins, this short doc on Jamie Wall. A story of great courage that everyone should see.

Brilliant watch thanks white feather

CORKDOUBLE

The Examiner have done a podcast Dara O Cinnede saying that Cork will lose to Clare and also said that there display against Dublin was so bad that the Cork players were "having a laugh".......That's telling us from the Kerry man ....

windy shepard henderson

CORKDOUBLE wrote: »

The Examiner have done a podcast Dara O Cinnede saying that Cork will lose to Clare and also said that there display against Dublin was so bad that the Cork players were "having a laugh".......That's telling us from the Kerry man ....

i think clare with or without injuries would just be happy to get over limerick saterday night , i think kerry have the harder side of the draw if they have to face tipperary

ciarriaithuaidh

CORKDOUBLE wrote: »

The Examiner have done a podcast Dara O Cinnede saying that Cork will lose to Clare and also said that there display against Dublin was so bad that the Cork players were "having a laugh".......That's telling us from the Kerry man ....

I read the transcript and that is not what he said. He said Clare could "give it a rattle" if they face Cork. Given that Clare did exactly that to Kerry last year it's hardly an inflammatory statement is it?

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/championship-preview-a-look-forward-to-this-years-championship-330978.html

thinkstoomuch1

CORKDOUBLE wrote: »

The Examiner have done a podcast Dara O Cinnede saying that Cork will lose to Clare and also said that there display against Dublin was so bad that the Cork players were "having a laugh".......That's telling us from the Kerry man ....

I actually have a post regards that with links but said wouldn't post as course some fellas say I'm being nasty to cuthbert and unfair and don't critse jbm when be fair many know here I'm equal all teams just some deserve credit as they have better records

Is it actually true Paudie Hurley is on panel?

Tony keen and Cinnede are laughing at cork imo and you can't blame them

Cinnede said cork could loose clare but in cork helps cork and he's right kerry loose cork won't be too upset and he said cork no midfield
Shannon is brilliant but he's right cuthbert trying put out fires he started some himself and I dont agree he's doing best he can
All preview cork championship there hardly mentioned as contenders

thinkstoomuch1

windy shepard henderson wrote: »

i think clare with or without injuries would just be happy to get over limerick saterday night , i think kerry have the harder side of the draw if they have to face tipperary

Cork will beat clare due to individual brilliance but if it was in ennis or we had tipp we had a tough game
Clare will be competitve though

3ships

Fair enough don't expect to change your mind TTM but still think there is no pressure on Waterford at all. 2007 v Limerick in Croke Park had as much to do with fatigue as pressure. Forgetting the past and moving on to the present year: I don't think pressure is a factor this year, fatigue might and thats where the panel comes in.
The real pressure game this year was going down to Wexford with promotion on the line. With either Clare or Kilkenny on the way down is was essential to win that game. If the league don't matter then I don't know what the fuss was about over the course of 3 cracking games in Nowlan Park this year (2 semi 1 relegation final). If a Munster game is better than that then we are in for a great Championship.

thinkstoomuch1

A very good read
It's shows the age profile of cork
Interestingly as Shannon said correctly despite all cork under twenty one success kerry have the brighter future as imo reason is they have manager could very well be there in three years

A key points as well was he said cork three years down the line would need new manager post cuthbert and a serious dose of inspiration
He's right cork football needs a serious dose of inspiration but inspiration comes from a leader like francois piennar led south Africa world cup, cody leads kk, jesus led he's twelve disciples cork football have no doubt needs an inspirational leader figure at the forefront to inspire and change Cultre success in senior football
He's bang on the money cork football needs inspiration three years but more importantly we need it now



He's team for three years down the line isn't bad at all but while shields and loughrey are going to be 31 and 32 I wouldn't imo rule them out that age just yet


What's significant and I said this before Kerrigan style play he plays in raw pace hugely part he's game dna doc kelly etc among others could be past their peak years that's why it was absolutely paramount and I said this back in October 2013 that cork had make hay when sun shined and back then said all Ireland within two years cycle had to be the aim


That two years is this year and unfortunately won't deliver all Ireland this year and my worry was cork golden generation would be lost again as you got make hay while sun shines and this was the time to do it but with Dublin producing a conveyor belt talent kerry going nowhere soon and Galway rapidly making progress cork fight for sam extremely tough now

The worry I have also is another poor championship could do untold damage cork young players confidence wise as cork have actually regressed considerably since counihan as we're not a top four team as results show


Shannon is terrific writer but I disagree with gould as a prominent sub in three years
In fairness lad been around panel seven years now to be fair failed make consistently big game impact so I doubt in three years he'll be prominent sub and I doubt very much if clearly or English over team three years he will be a panel player
Good see dan mceoin named and it really begs belief cork current panel hasn't the most promising young forward with Vaughan in cork current panel at present

thinkstoomuch1

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/championship-preview-john-evans-and-the-footballers-of-tomorrow-332200.html

CORKDOUBLE

I don't want to put pressure on the lad and he is suffering a lot from injurys but please god Michael Hurley will be on the starting 15 by then ...Brian had lots of injurys as well but thankfully have cleared up .....those two boys firing on all cylinders and I would not like to be a full back line player...an interesting piece by Shannon...

thinkstoomuch1

CORKDOUBLE wrote: »

I don't want to put pressure on the lad and he is suffering a lot from injurys but please god Michael Hurley will be on the starting 15 by then ...Brian had lots of injurys as well but thankfully have cleared up .....those two boys firing on all cylinders and I would not like to be a full back line player...an interesting piece by Shannon...

Totally agree

Peter kellher kevin flahive sean white cian kiely Micheal Desmond possibly all have potential and could well be on the panel as sean kiely and mark sugure who seems forgotten man cork gaa but good potential


Problem howeber is cork lads won't develop like kerry as strenght game won't be strengthen and weaknesses won't be eradicated and kerry progress next level due to good coaching as shown by in classic example under twenty one four years ago cork hammered kerry with lot core kerry lads now outstanding seniors yet cork lads haven't development next level and that's not the players fault but it's down to not getting elite coaching that kerry get with o Neill and Fitzmauirce