Cork GAA Discussion Thread

thinkstoomuch1 · 22-05-2015 03:00PM

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/championship-preview-living-and-learning-with-new-zealands-rugby-winners-332286.html#.VV8rU434gWs.twitter

Maybe not everyone cup tea but I found this very interesting in parts while I don't agree with some
Mccarthy is a terrific writer and one man id like to see in development squads with John Hayes as I belive they would make fine coaches and have potential be developed
I don't rate john Hayes at all as a senior intercounty footballers but I said this before I'd love in future see him development squads and developed as a coach

Credit where due I must applaud the examiner today for its indepth gaa supplements today and while I don't rate him as a coach and at times I disagree some he's views tony leen deserved immense credit for overseeing wonderful supplement today in examiner imo
Leen at times isn't most favourable to cork football but to be fair you can't really argue with he's points as I in he's shoes I'd be same
He deserves huge credit for today supplement as well as all involved
Real value in it today so much imo you could read it ten times still find something new in it

Interesting note kerry going to algarve in June warm weather training and mainly focused footballing skills
I'd wonder kerry doing this so late imo shows what I said yesterday there not really focused totally cork as their obviously doing this with Dublin in mind so expect sloppy by normal standards kerry v cork in killarney

CORKDOUBLE · 22-05-2015 05:34PM

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Totally agree

Peter kellher kevin flahive sean white cian kiely Micheal Desmond possibly all have potential and could well be on the panel as sean kiely and mark sugure who seems forgotten man cork gaa but good potential

Problem howeber is cork lads won't develop like kerry as strenght game won't be strengthen and weaknesses won't be eradicated and kerry progress next level due to good coaching as shown by in classic example under twenty one four years ago cork hammered kerry with lot core kerry lads now outstanding seniors yet cork lads haven't development next level and that's not the players fault but it's down to not getting elite coaching that kerry get with o Neill and Fitzmauirce

Sean Powter huge potential tough as nails would have lost in Tralee by more if he was not playing...

sean mac · 22-05-2015 10:22PM

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

I actually have a post regards that with links but said wouldn't post as course some fellas say I'm being nasty to cuthbert and unfair and don't critse jbm when be fair many know here I'm equal all teams just some deserve credit as they have better records

Is it actually true Paudie Hurley is on panel?

Tony keen and Cinnede are laughing at cork imo and you can't blame them

Cinnede said cork could loose clare but in cork helps cork and he's right kerry loose cork won't be too upset and he said cork no midfield
Shannon is brilliant but he's right cuthbert trying put out fires he started some himself and I dont agree he's doing best he can
All preview cork championship there hardly mentioned as contenders

Is this a joke? ffs Seymour started for haven in the championship the other week..........
Calre wont beat cork in cork, if it was in miltown malbay with the current cork set up - different story altogether.
However a well organised clare with ephie coaching them, a fella who knows Cuthbert is out of his depth, knows from his own club that there is no faith in the management amongst the team, well they will definitely rattle cork.
Ffs any team in the top 3 divisions should be able to rattle this cork team.
They are not prepared properly, not coached properly, not led properly and they don't believe in what the management are telling them.
The team will struggle over clare, we will then ehad to killareny where there will be the lowest cork crowd in 30 odd years and Kerry IF they are fully tuned in will win very handily. My real feart is that if Kerry were to go 5/6 points up early it could turn into a massacre as the team collapses very easily.
When you look at the serious teams going to Portugal like monaghan, Kerry, Donegal, mayo and then see cork going.........for a fella that talks a great game about coaching there is something very amateur about this set up, staying in a kip up north for the games up there, making a balls of the 'training camp' in limerick last year, not having a clue how to set up the team, dropping players after games in the league and the championship,begging fellas to come back after dropping them the year before, all I hope is that there is enough gumption from the clubs to let cleary take over after Cuthberts 2 year term finishes this year.

CORKDOUBLE · 22-05-2015 10:49PM

sean mac wrote: »

Is this a joke? ffs Seymour started for haven in the championship the other week..........
Calre wont beat cork in cork, if it was in miltown malbay with the current cork set up - different story altogether.
However a well organised clare with ephie coaching them, a fella who knows Cuthbert is out of his depth, knows from his own club that there is no faith in the management amongst the team, well they will definitely rattle cork.
Ffs any team in the top 3 divisions should be able to rattle this cork team.
They are not prepared properly, not coached properly, not led properly and they don't believe in what the management are telling them.
The team will struggle over clare, we will then ehad to killareny where there will be the lowest cork crowd in 30 odd years and Kerry IF they are fully tuned in will win very handily. My real feart is that if Kerry were to go 5/6 points up early it could turn into a massacre as the team collapses very easily.
When you look at the serious teams going to Portugal like monaghan, Kerry, Donegal, mayo and then see cork going.........for a fella that talks a great game about coaching there is something very amateur about this set up, staying in a kip up north for the games up there, making a balls of the 'training camp' in limerick last year, not having a clue how to set up the team, dropping players after games in the league and the championship,begging fellas to come back after dropping them the year before, all I hope is that there is enough gumption from the clubs to let cleary take over after Cuthberts 2 year term finishes this year.

Paudie Hurley played in a trail game last weekend .....Its sad to say but your post is 100% correct .... this guy has come in and wrecked Cork football in two years ....and the whole country knows it now its a shambles ...Will this mess and cockup of a management ever stop ...its been so disappointing to real Cork football fans whats gone on.

thinkstoomuch1 · 22-05-2015 11:45PM

sean mac wrote: »

Is this a joke? ffs Seymour started for haven in the championship the other week..........
Calre wont beat cork in cork, if it was in miltown malbay with the current cork set up - different story altogether.
However a well organised clare with ephie coaching them, a fella who knows Cuthbert is out of his depth, knows from his own club that there is no faith in the management amongst the team, well they will definitely rattle cork.
Ffs any team in the top 3 divisions should be able to rattle this cork team.
They are not prepared properly, not coached properly, not led properly and they don't believe in what the management are telling them.
The team will struggle over clare, we will then ehad to killareny where there will be the lowest cork crowd in 30 odd years and Kerry IF they are fully tuned in will win very handily. My real feart is that if Kerry were to go 5/6 points up early it could turn into a massacre as the team collapses very easily.
When you look at the serious teams going to Portugal like monaghan, Kerry, Donegal, mayo and then see cork going.........for a fella that talks a great game about coaching there is something very amateur about this set up, staying in a kip up north for the games up there, making a balls of the 'training camp' in limerick last year, not having a clue how to set up the team, dropping players after games in the league and the championship,begging fellas to come back after dropping them the year before, all I hope is that there is enough gumption from the clubs to let cleary take over after Cuthberts 2 year term finishes this year.

Counihan Morgan all done warm weather camps cuthbert doesn't do them

What do you make root and branch review

Any word on its findings?

thinkstoomuch1 · 22-05-2015 11:46PM

CORKDOUBLE wrote: »

Sean Powter huge potential tough as nails would have lost in Tralee by more if he was not playing...

A terrific prospect

sean mac · 23-05-2015 08:13AM

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Counihan Morgan all done warm weather camps cuthbert doesn't do them

What do you make root and branch review

Any word on its findings?

I believe like so much with this et up this was the usual smoke and mirrors nonsense. How can you have a review when the fellas doing the review are the primary problem???????????
If the 'review' was to bring in hurley then that tells you ttm where the review went. I give up with this set up, they are the worst ever to get a hold of a cork senior team and in light of where cork have been over the last 10 years in hurling and football that says something.
The management don't know what they are doing, the players don't believe in the management and the supporters have given up on the team, a really dreadful state of affiars but it wont cost the ccb a single thought.
Cork with a proper manager who knows what he is doing should simply be refining their game plan and focusing on clare, instead we are brining in fellas in their 30s, fellas who have never played for cork before and trying to dream up a new plan - pathetic stuff.
The only thing I know is Flanagan certainly feels there are a fair number of fellas in the panel not mentally strong enough to win when it counts, but we hardl need him to tell us that

It makes sense · 23-05-2015 03:53PM

The White Feather wrote: »

Just sit back and watch for 20 mins, this short doc on Jamie Wall. A story of great courage that everyone should see.

Heart warming video you have got to admire Jamie wall, thanks for sharing

pluszap · 23-05-2015 08:28PM

Is jack sheehan who played for erins own tonight in the forward line the same player who played as a fullback on the ul college team?

thinkstoomuch1 · 24-05-2015 12:30AM

pluszap wrote: »

Is jack sheehan who played for erins own tonight in the forward line the same player who played as a fullback on the ul college team?

Same player, I guess around twenty five year age never minor senior cork but imo has potential
Not sure if he's interested in intercounty so that's he's choice but was rated by Brian lohan such he played full back ul and marked and held Maurice Shanahan and jack guiney
Very strong ball winner very tough and never takes a step back and not short of pace either
Saw him as centre forward against Chris Joyce years ago and it was some battle in both broke even and none took a backward step
He's good ball winner and tonight I hear he got a goal and a few points
I wouldn't have thought of him as a forward but I mentioned last year I'd like seen him get a run at full back
Think he went America last summer and only playing junior recently but apparently was excellent tonight in a game the great niall Mccarthy played brilliantly

On a good note declan Dalton cork minor keeper was meant be minor billy dunne excellent out field for father o Neill
Dalton got around eight points

I saw the glen game and the glen should won but after huge loss in the final last year and loosing a game they were in control this won't done confidence any good

Glen kennfick had good game before went off
Mcdonnell good game but again not great under high ball at full back
Noonan very good
If he's injury free imo should be cork under twenty one
Darren Mccarthy as always excellent for ballymartle
Liam coughlan still minor came on for the glen and was good
They have fine talent coming through but may need time
Pa horgan was usual horgan
Outstanding in loose game team on top
When the game was close and the need greatest you expect an senior intercounty player all star not to be just good but show leadership and get the game by the scruff of the neck and win it as he's most talented hurler on field play
But like in three club games last Year he didn't do it and like cork in some league games this year
I said it before should be dropped for cork game as actually imo would do him huge favour and make him really really great player he can be as at moment imo just plays in parts of games and cork senior seven years imo you expect more
Ballymartle are fine resolute side and cahalane was excellent

thinkstoomuch1 · 24-05-2015 10:20AM

Tremendous credit to Ephie Fitzgerald from cork coach of clare win yesterday against limerick who have a good coach in john brudair
Clare are with respect are limited with players of top level quality and with depth and they will admit that themselves and potential can reach but they will get every last inch out of he's players and as he's says they will be the best they can be

Ephie with limerick senior getting all Ireland quatre final years ago and outstanding success with nemo and ballylanders while no doubt minor term cork minor football was a blip and I would not have him above English or cleary manager cork I would every and any day week have him over cuthbert and certainly over selectors Davis sexton and sullivan as quite simply hrs record in management blows all their records individual out of the water or if you combine cork management set up bar Flanagan ephie still better

Ephie have given a great interview in the echo and he's interview are humble and honest with no ego but a self confidence that he's record justifies

He is not everyone cup of tea but I don't think anyone can say with logic he's worse current cork manager
Cork will be dominated by clare young Gary brennan at midfield who unfortunately will have o Connor chasing shadows and gould won't be able compete with lad that's outstanding midfield player and played for munster and scored four points for he's team yesterday

Clare will open up cork porous defence at ease but will still only convert a minority chances and individual brilliance of shields Collins and hurley o Neill etc while few other clsre players not as good other counties will allow cork some lads break even so in cork cork will win but I expect a win on individual performance rather than any team performance as I yet see from cork in any championship game with this set up

If clare had hurley o Neill and in ennis likely hood is they would beat cork
I expect clare to make cork look bad in certain areas
Tippeary and clare who both have cork managers that would likely never get cork job have with no where near level talent cork have imo have in creedon and ephie better managers than cork have and my assumption is purely based on when you compare both records in management

Well done to ephie last night

windy shepard henderson · 24-05-2015 10:39AM

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Tremendous credit to Ephie Fitzgerald from cork coach of clare win yesterday against limerick who have a good coach in john brudair
Clare are with respect are limited with players of top level quality and with depth and they will admit that themselves and potential can reach but they will get every last inch out of he's players and as he's says they will be the best they can be

Ephie with limerick senior getting all Ireland quatre final years ago and outstanding success with nemo and ballylanders while no doubt minor term cork minor football was a blip and I would not have him above English or cleary manager cork I would every and any day week have him over cuthbert and certainly over selectors Davis sexton and sullivan as quite simply hrs record in management blows all their records individual out of the water or if you combine cork management set up bar Flanagan ephie still better

Ephie have given a great interview in the echo and he's interview are humble and honest with no ego but a self confidence that he's record justifies

He is not everyone cup of tea but I don't think anyone can say with logic he's worse current cork manager
Cork will be dominated by clare young Gary brennan at midfield who unfortunately will have o Connor chasing shadows and gould won't be able compete with lad that's outstanding midfield player and played for munster and scored four points for he's team yesterday

Clare will open up cork porous defence at ease but will still only convert a minority chances and individual brilliance of shields Collins and hurley o Neill etc while few other clsre players not as good other counties will allow cork some lads break even so in cork cork will win but I expect a win on individual performance rather than any team performance as I yet see from cork in any championship game with this set up

If clare had hurley o Neill and in ennis likely hood is they would beat cork
I expect clare to make cork look bad in certain areas
Tippeary and clare who both have cork managers that would likely never get cork job have with no where near level talent cork have imo have in creedon and ephie better managers than cork have and my assumption is purely based on when you compare both records in management

Well done to ephie last night

agree with nearly all of this ephie was on the touchline on his own last night as colm colins is serving a touchline ban , if collins was ever to setp aside he would be the man i would like to see take over the lads on the panel think he is a great coach

spot on about the midfield thing too we domanited against kerry last year too but didnt have the ability to convert , think we kicked 10 or 12 wides again last night but i would expect cork to win pulling up we seem to be a good "home team" but outside of cusack park we cant seem to do it , but cork will be too strong for us dispite how well gary brennan and cathal o'connor are playing

thinkstoomuch1 · 24-05-2015 10:55AM

http://www.eveningecho.ie/sport/ephie/

thinkstoomuch1 · 24-05-2015 11:10AM

http://www.eveningecho.ie/sport/double/
An absolute legend in the field of play, outstanding big game player, wonderful captain and outstanding servant to haven and cork and one of greatest ever play for cork and tough as nails and such elegance and poise

As a manager he's record speaks for itself
This interview imo I disagree with him in surely all the evidence that's factual and not circumstancel with le chin wexford, shambles dualism last year where Walsh said it affected football, cadogan no real hurling done taking up panel place another hurler deserved, cahalane struggling be fit between both codes, Dublin not even entertaining idea and correctly so in waste time entertain nonsense and clare against it I don't see how Larry can say it's wrong in way force lads choose both codes

Too many ex cork players live off golden years of nineties in we had core group hurling and football lads both teams got management roles from that success that were not showed management potential successful before those roles and now people think dualism worked then worked now

Significant difference is in ninety cork had ulster semi final where antrim never real test
Munster hurling was no where as competitve now and same as football in cork real games were tipp and kerry all Ireland semi football and final and final in hurling so five tough games where's now days your guaranteed likely hood five tough games one code not mind two so there is no absolute none not even. 1 per cent current game dualism working and even ladies last week we saw problems it causes and cork managed win both teams by a point but as rochestown proved and cratole that Larry should look at you will get so far but that's all in sooner or later dualism catches up as imo in the modern game and yes it's sad very sad to see it ended but dualism imo is over in the modern game at the elite level and even limerick minor hurling last few years don't really entertain dual idea any more
As romantic as it is and we all love a good romance but realism usually prevails

This talk regards cadogan football as well imo far fetched yes brilliant at under twenty one but he's not better than hurley colm doc Goulding or dan mceoin etc
Cork football has forwards what it needs is poession

Connorzee · 25-05-2015 08:46AM

TTM whats the story with your PM's?

thinkstoomuch1 · 25-05-2015 10:48AM

Connorzee wrote: »

TTM whats the story with your PM's?

I don't them sorry lad

Corcaigh Abu1 · 25-05-2015 11:45AM

Two weeks to go till the Waterford game... Any updates on the team? Cadogen didn't line out for Douglas at the weekend he could be looking doubtfull to start in two weeks. Any news on Hardeny?

thinkstoomuch1 · 25-05-2015 11:56AM

Clare game in three weeks now

slingerz · 25-05-2015 12:42PM

what do people make of the fact that the Sciath na Scol finals that start today have to be held in Irish Independent Par, Munster Rugby's Cork base, as they were not permitted in Pairc Ui Rinn and CIT was being reseeded.

Think its a nice gesture from Munster Rugby to be so accommodating but if the shoe was on the other foot you'd wonder what the CCB would have to say

lukin · 25-05-2015 12:56PM

Question for holders of Cork hurling season tickets; will the Waterford game be just show your ticket at the gate or will there be a pdf ticket to be printed off?
I might not be able to go but I want my ticket scanned to register my attendance. I don't fancy giving my season ticket to somebody for the day.

zetecescort · 25-05-2015 07:21PM

slingerz wrote: »

what do people make of the fact that the Sciath na Scol finals that start today have to be held in Irish Independent Par, Munster Rugby's Cork base, as they were not permitted in Pairc Ui Rinn and CIT was being reseeded.

Think its a nice gesture from Munster Rugby to be so accommodating but if the shoe was on the other foot you'd wonder what the CCB would have to say

great gesture from Munster but isn't Nemo not too far from there? how many pitches have they?

Figsy32 · 25-05-2015 07:32PM

slingerz wrote: »

what do people make of the fact that the Sciath na Scol finals that start today have to be held in Irish Independent Par, Munster Rugby's Cork base, as they were not permitted in Pairc Ui Rinn and CIT was being reseeded.

Think its a nice gesture from Munster Rugby to be so accommodating but if the shoe was on the other foot you'd wonder what the CCB would have to say

Why were they not permitted to use Pairc Ui Rinn? Great gesture from the rugby!

Mountainlad · 25-05-2015 07:37PM

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Same player, I guess around twenty five year age never minor senior cork but imo has potential
Not sure if he's interested in intercounty so that's he's choice but was rated by Brian lohan such he played full back ul and marked and held Maurice Shanahan

When was that? Club game?

Rebel norrie · 25-05-2015 07:38PM

slingerz wrote: »

what do people make of the fact that the Sciath na Scol finals that start today have to be held in Irish Independent Par, Munster Rugby's Cork base, as they were not permitted in Pairc Ui Rinn and CIT was being reseeded.

Think its a nice gesture from Munster Rugby to be so accommodating but if the shoe was on the other foot you'd wonder what the CCB would have to say

Nemo & Musgrave in use tomorrow. CIT been used wendnesday.

Deise_2012 · 25-05-2015 08:17PM

Mountainlad wrote: »

When was that? Club game?

Waterford Crystal Cup 2014

thinkstoomuch1 · 25-05-2015 09:44PM

Deise_2012 wrote: »

Waterford Crystal Cup 2014

Now obviously games like that id be cautious to say is the real deal but he held guiney in the fitzgibnn cup for ul v ucd so he should been looked at

Problem is he lives above the edge at times discpine wise in he won't take nonsense but he needs to be careful not to cross the line
Very good hurler though

slingerz · 25-05-2015 10:40PM

Apparently with the crowds in attendance they'd need a proper stand and neither Nemo nor CIT had the capacity.

Scarecrow 2 · 26-05-2015 12:13PM

Brian murphy back in the panel.

Deise_2012 · 26-05-2015 12:15PM

Scarecrow 2 wrote: »

Brian murphy back in the panel.

We're getting Ken Mcgrath and Mullane back aswel

D'Agger · 26-05-2015 12:25PM

Figsy32 wrote: »

Why were they not permitted to use Pairc Ui Rinn? Great gesture from the rugby!

Pairc Ui Rinn has had a serious amount of games played on it the past number of weeks & months - would imagine they're trying to keep it in a good condition for the full year given Pairc ui Chaoimh is out of commission for the forseeable

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